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2012 Football Schedule

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Portland State to play Carroll College in 2012 season?

Found this thread over on Bobcat Nation:

Carroll College vs. Portland State Sept. 1

http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=16&p=376950" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I hope that this is just internet gossip. Otherwise, this would be another stupid scheduling move and put us in the same position that we were in 2011. We had Southern Oregon on the schedule and then had to schedule Willamette after a cancellation. The same scenario could play out if Carroll is on the schedule and UW cancels and we have to scramble to schedule another opponent which most likely would be another NAIA team. This would likely preclude a playoff chance if we were on the cusp.

Message to Chisholm. Don't friggin' schedule NAIA teams.
 
Sounds like playing a D-II team, only with the unfortunate NAIA label. The consensus over at the MSU board is that Caroll could stay with us for maybe a quarter.
 
*2012 Portland State Football Schedule*
Sept. 1, Carroll College, JELD-WEN Field
Sept. 8, at North Dakota, Grand Forks, ND
Sept. 15, at Washington, CenturyLink Field, Seattle
Sept. 22, Southern Utah*, JELD-WEN Field
Sept. 29, at Northern Arizona*, Flagstaff, AZ
Oct. 6, Idaho State*, JELD-WEN Field
Oct. 13, Open
Oct. 20, at Cal Poly*, San Luis Obispo
Oct. 27, at UC Davis*, Davis, CA
Nov. 3, Northern Colorado*, JELD-WEN Field
Nov. 10, at Montana State*, Bozeman, MT
Nov. 17, Eastern Washington*, JELD-WEN Field
* Big Sky Conference game

http://www.oregonlive.com/vikings/index.ssf/2012/02/portland_state_sets_2012_footb.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. Another NAIA program?

Four home games in the span of a two month period? Great. Oh, and those games include Carroll College, Idaho State, Northern Colorado. Three barn burners there.

The Carroll win will mean next to zilch for playoff consideration, so we basically need to go at least 6-4 in our other games, of which UW is a loss. So we need to go 6-3, yet 5 of those games are on the road.

Can we make it any harder on ourselves? Wait, I shouldn't ask that. We have an open date that we can probably shove a FBS game into.

For what it's worth, I do like the four year home and home with North Dakota.
 
Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but I think it's even worse than you said because we need 7 D1 wins for playoff consideration. Like you said Carroll won't even count and UW is most likely a loss, so now they need to go at least 7-2 in FCS games even to be considered.

I think it's horrible having FBS and NAIA teams scheduled in the same season, but on the bright side, they actually have 1 more FCS game than they did last year.
 
My understanding is that FCS teams available in the western half of the US are few and most belong to the Big Sky. It costs a lot of money to bring the other FCS teams west to play us and these teams just don't want to come. I guess we could have probably traveled to another FCS team but them we wouldn't have a 4th home game.
I have been following some of the other Big Sky forums and the Montana schools are very interested in us playing Carroll University. I guess it has been discussed for several years playing them but were concerned with the outcome, good or bad. They are saying that Carroll's football program is equivalent to a top Division II school.
I actually think playing Carroll is good for our young PSU team, gives the coaches a chance to evaluate players and enables the new recruits to play. Maybe this old coach looks at things differently but I always scheduled my first game with a lower level team for those reasons. Besides I see this as a building year for PSU, with the following 3 years in contention for the playoffs. But this is just my opinion.
 
Speaking of D-I teams in the region, why couldn't we at least tried to get a game with one of the WAC teams? Maybe this year wouldn't work out, but it doesn't hurt to get the foot in the door for the next year. They don't pay nearly as well as UW or another Pac-12, but they might be an easier win. FBS wins, even against weak FBS teams, still look good.

Carroll, I hear, is one of the best NAIA squads in the nation. They win championships at that level (once ripped off a three-peat, I think), so it won't exactly be SOU again.
 
pottystop said:
My understanding is that FCS teams available in the western half of the US are few and most belong to the Big Sky. It costs a lot of money to bring the other FCS teams west to play us and these teams just don't want to come. I guess we could have probably traveled to another FCS team but them we wouldn't have a 4th home game.
I have been following some of the other Big Sky forums and the Montana schools are very interested in us playing Carroll University. I guess it has been discussed for several years playing them but were concerned with the outcome, good or bad. They are saying that Carroll's football program is equivalent to a top Division II school.
I actually think playing Carroll is good for our young PSU team, gives the coaches a chance to evaluate players and enables the new recruits to play. Maybe this old coach looks at things differently but I always scheduled my first game with a lower level team for those reasons. Besides I see this as a building year for PSU, with the following 3 years in contention for the playoffs. But this is just my opinion.

No other Big Sky school has any trouble not having to schedule NAIA schools. This is a lame excuse. Carroll College may be a very fine NAIA football school but a win will do nothing to help our playoff chances.
 
Article from the Great Falls Tribune

Saints taking on big (Sky) boys

The Carroll College football program of coach Mike Van Diest has always been shooting for the moon and this season the Saints are looking to the Big Sky.

It was announced Tuesday that Carroll, the NAIA power with six national championships to its credit, will take on Portland State of the Big Sky Conference Sept. 1 in a nonconference game.

"We're stepping up and that's something we're certainly excited about," said Van Diest, who is 157-22 in 13 seasons with the Saints. "All of our players, at one time or another, have dreamed of playing in the Big Sky or higher. It's all about trying to be the best they can be."

While the Saints have played NCAA Division II schools before, they've never met a team from the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly NCAA I-AA). Portland State was 7-4 last season in the Big Sky, which of course includes the Montana Grizzlies and Montana State Bobcats.

NCAA rules allow for 63 full scholarships at the FCS level. Carroll is able to offer the NAIA maximum of 24 scholarships, but no full rides.

"It's great for our conference," said Van Diest. "Both Western and Tech have stepped up and played these types of teams before, and I think this is a big plus not only for Carroll College but our conference."

Bruce Parker, Carroll's athletic director, said it was a huge day for the Helena school.

"I can't tell you how many times we've tried to play the Big Sky schools, not that we have anything to prove but to provide a new challenge for our program," said Parker. "We think this will be a great opportunity for our team."

Parker said the Saints are assured of the largest payday in school history. Several years ago, Carroll was slated to play Idaho State and received a $25,000 buyout when the Bengals opted to face another opponent instead. It's believed that Portland State has guaranteed Carroll $45,000 or more.

"We know what lies ahead of us," said Van Diest. "We know the challenges. We'll start worrying about that on Aug. 26."

The Saints open the Frontier Conference slate Aug. 25 at Montana State-Northern in Havre.

The revamped Frontier is now an eight-team conference that stretches from central North Dakota to western Oregon. The new members are Southern Oregon in Ashland, and Dickinson (N.D.) State. It's a nine-hour drive east from Helena to Dickinson. It's about a 16-hour trip the other direction from Montana's Capital City to Ashland.

"It gives us a little more exposure, with two teams now in Oregon and one in North Dakota," Van Diest said. "We'll be in three time zones almost ... It makes us a little bit stronger, and now we'll get two (national) raters at the NAIA level instead of one."

For many years, the Frontier has been a league where teams play each other twice in the regular season. Now the league will feature two divisions, an East and West. Teams will play each team in its division twice and each team in the other division once.

The East Division includes Carroll, MSU-Northern, Rocky Mountain and Dickinson State. The West includes Montana Tech, Montana Western, Eastern Oregon and Southern Oregon.

To play their normal 10-game regular-season schedules, then, it's necessary to schedule just one nonleague game. The Saints, 13-2 overall last year and winners of 13 consecutive Frontier championships, will play in Portland at a time to be determined.

"There hasn't been a lot of people standing in line to schedule us for nonconference games," said Parker, who added he hoped to secure a deal to televise the Portland State game in the Treasure State.

It's not unheard of for an NAIA team to defeat an FCS opponent. Last year, Lindenwood knocked off Northern Colorado of the Big Sky, and two years ago, Sioux Falls College defeated North Dakota, which joins the Big Sky this fall.

"I'd never say we're going to go out there to Portland and win for sure," Parker said. "But I know we're going to go out and compete. Every single Mike Van Diest team always competes hard for 60 minutes."
Hauckism "If football was easy we'd call it soccer"
 
Playing Carroll won't help our playoff chances, but they're not likely to hinder them either. If we play well enough to take first or second in the conference we'll be considered. If we don't, well, that just means we're not ready yet. Remember this is only the second year of Burton recruits. As someone said here, this could be considered a get-ready year, with 2013 the year we win conference. Make no mistake; Carroll's good. They'll play us even for a half, though lack of depth will kill them in the end.
 
Wyokie,
The link is:

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20120208/SPORTS/202080314/Saints-taking-big-Sky-boys?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Since it looks like Carroll is going to get what amounts to a big payday from the VIks, I'm wondering how much PSU gets from UW? Is the payday worth it?

Secondly, anyone willing to make any prognostications about which teams will be the biggest challenge (MSU) for PSU on the road to seven wins?
 
tednottodd said:
Since it looks like Carroll is going to get what amounts to a big payday from the VIks, I'm wondering how much PSU gets from UW? Is the payday worth it?

Secondly, anyone willing to make any prognostications about which teams will be the biggest challenge (MSU) for PSU on the road to seven wins?

Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that we'll be getting paid 175-200k for the UW game. Again, just a guess given our last FBS games.
 
martymoose said:
tednottodd said:
Since it looks like Carroll is going to get what amounts to a big payday from the VIks, I'm wondering how much PSU gets from UW? Is the payday worth it?

Secondly, anyone willing to make any prognostications about which teams will be the biggest challenge (MSU) for PSU on the road to seven wins?

Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that we'll be getting paid 175-200k for the UW game. Again, just a guess given our last FBS games.

I'd be surprised if the payout for the UW game was that low, I know we were getting more in the range of 300,000 to 400,000 for the ASU and UO games a couple of years ago.
 

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