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Big Sky move to FBS
- Thread starter SoCalHornetFan1
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SoCalHornetFan1
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Part of the issue with basketball arena is that we have several options within the city limits that we could rent / lease in the interim.
The focus should be on the Football stadium and its infrastructure for the fan experience. Restrooms, Box Seats, Food Courts & Beer Garden with quality seating etc.
The focus should be on the Football stadium and its infrastructure for the fan experience. Restrooms, Box Seats, Food Courts & Beer Garden with quality seating etc.
superhornet
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SoCalHornetFan1 said:
True. We COULD do that. But that would be a step into the past, so to speak, given the extra in-conference travel. We recently had that while the former Sioux were in the conference. If the school is willing to fund that, cool. I prefer a 9-team (for football, 10 for hoops) conference to provide for an 8-game conference season with 3 or 4 OOC games (depending on the year) with a smaller geographic footprint. And that completely ignores my post-season preferences, which are well known to those of you who do double duty over at CS.com. But, yes, if one were willing to accept the extra travel costs to MVFC-land on the regular, then that COULD work. But it just occurred to me that it would ALSO depend on the MVFC not pulling what we've just been discussing: making the conference-level jump themselves. Were they to do that, it would kill your argument, at least in terms of using MVFC teams. We COULD talk to WAC teams for that (particularly SHSU), but most of those are more recent D-II call-ups, so that might be a bit problematic in SOS terms for a few years when it comes to potential bowls to tie into....
stingthemgood
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Kadeezy said:
:ditto:
Can we rename this board “the land of fantasies?”
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stingthemgood
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I am simply stating the facts - if you don't want to believe them - fine. But to say I am negative about the program - nothing can be further from the truth. I feel like a move to FBS would cause us to drop sports to make it work financially, and some of these programs are the one I have the most fun following and supporting.
HornetHope
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Here is rough snap shot of Mountain West Football and Total Athletic budgets:
Boise State. 14.6. 42.6
Fresno State. 13.3. 46.1
Colorado State. 26.6. 55
San Diego State. 16.9. 58.2
San Jose State 10.3. 33.6
Nevada. 10.5. 39.7
Sac State. 5.6. 31.3
We would realistically have to at least double football, and about a 50% bump in overall revenues to get there.. The reality is the table stakes to move up would be huge.
We would also require a complete stadium redo, to get to a decent 35k seat stadium with luxury boxes the price tag would be in the range of $100-130 million. New 5000-7500 seat arena would be roughly 55-80 million depends on what they do to it.
The buy in costs are huge, the alumni base has not shown the willingness to help lift the boat.
Boise State. 14.6. 42.6
Fresno State. 13.3. 46.1
Colorado State. 26.6. 55
San Diego State. 16.9. 58.2
San Jose State 10.3. 33.6
Nevada. 10.5. 39.7
Sac State. 5.6. 31.3
We would realistically have to at least double football, and about a 50% bump in overall revenues to get there.. The reality is the table stakes to move up would be huge.
We would also require a complete stadium redo, to get to a decent 35k seat stadium with luxury boxes the price tag would be in the range of $100-130 million. New 5000-7500 seat arena would be roughly 55-80 million depends on what they do to it.
The buy in costs are huge, the alumni base has not shown the willingness to help lift the boat.
HornetHope said:
Those are budgets from established, successful FBS programs. They weren't that high ten years ago. They have grown to that level with being FBS.
San Joser budget shows on the field and court.
Not advocating FBS, however, to keep the non-revenue sports competitive/active, the move might be necessary to keep a highly successful football and BB HC, which keeps the non-revenue sports afloat.
Instead of getting $300K to play Cal at FCS, it jumps to $800-$1M+ at FBS.
Obviously Sacramento only supports the highest level of sports and if FCS is any indication, then a FBS route might finally get noticed for the support.
The weather appears perfect for a football Saturday this weekend and realistically the stadium should have 12,000+, if it doesn't that is on Orr/Nelson. Having the luxury of ESPN+ carry the game doesn't help attendance either.
stingthemgood said:
And these non-revenue sports you enjoy exist only because of football and a lesser degree MBB. And the funding from the State, which is shrinking. A successful FCS program loses money, a successful FBS program loses less money and can keep the non-revenue sports afloat with the FBS budget.
stingthemgood
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Green Cookie Monster said:
I understand how Intercollegiate Athletics works, thank you very much. No one else seems to on this board. Hell, we let a guy who makes false claims about playing at Pacific and THIS VERY SCHOOL moderate this forum.
This might prove why there aren't donors showing up to help fund everyone's dream. Because this is the fan base. Delusional - fair-weather - live in mom's basement/garage/spare bedroom
Kadeezy
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stingthemgood said:
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If you weren’t around for the game threads on Sacbuzz
1.0 talking about Ryan Leadingham and Tyrone Gross, Marcel Marquez, Bobby Mooshagian, Kyle Monson, and Avery White, I do not respect you either sir!!!!
Anyways, feel free to come watch a game at my house, you can stay overnight in the guest house if you like! Lol
stingthemgood said:
There are more in-depth reasons than this board or fan base for lack of donors falling over themselves.
Look at the idiotic vaxx mandate to enter the stadium to start........
stingthemgood
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Kadeezy said:
Bobby sure did have an ok freshman season - he's still coaching in SoCal...
SoCalHornetFan1
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The Big Sky AD’s and Presidents should do a feasibility study about taking the bigSky FBS land!!!
SoCalHornetFan1
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If KADEEZY correct w the $40M stadium upgrade we might have a chance getting into FBS!!!! 
GreenArmySwarm
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SoCalHornetFan1 said:If KADEEZY correct w the $40M stadium upgrade we might have a chance getting into FBS!!!!
Come on man, at least give me credit for “breaking”/sharing this. Reading through those official documents wasn’t fun
SoCalHornetFan1
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GreenArmySwarm!!! Thanks for finding the info. I apologize for not giving credit properly. 
I guess I’ll add my :twocents: to this topic, not that is hasn’t been discussed on this board in the last decade at all.
We can go FBS if the opportunity is there. In fact, we’re probably the best positioned full BSC member to make that claim. If an opportunity arises, we should absolutely jump at the chance.
We’re Title IX ready with minor tweaks. The additional 22 FB scholarships could be made up by either cutting some men’s sports (soccer, T&F, XC) and adding a women’s sport (swimming and diving) or some combination in between if current women’s sports scholarships aren’t maxed out. We have the most winningest baseball program in CA over the better part of the last decade so cutting baseball is not on the table.
Budget would have to go way up, but that's something that could grow over time. When I looked at the numbers a few years ago, Sac State had the 10th highest athletics fee of the 23 CSU campuses. That means the admin could easily soak the student body to cover a significant portion of the costs of FBS (additional scholarships, coaching salaries, admin support). Also I’m not worried about the state budget, our useless government squanders untold wealth on ludicrous issues, a few million a year on Sac State athletics is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things so having the taxpayers foot the bill is fine by me.
There are 2 big issues, one of which is facilities. Hornet Stadium would need minor upgrades assuming the erector set stadium could last another couple decades. I posted in the stadium renovation thread so won’t comment on it too much. Long term a new stadium is needed, but not in the near term for an FBS jump.
An event center would need to be built. Again, it only hasn’t happened because we have yet to have a President with the fortitude to pass the fee on to the student even though it was approved in 2004. Until the event center is built, hoops could play in Golden1 so I don’t view the Nest as holding us back from an FBS move, although I assume the FBS conference we are hypothetically joining would need to see quick movement on it.
The other big hurdle as stingthemgood pointed out is the small donor base. A stronger fundraising arm needs to be built. Positive movement in that direction is really just one good hire away and while it does take time to build a donor base, going FBS would be the shot in the arm needed to really get that jump started.
We can go FBS if the opportunity is there. In fact, we’re probably the best positioned full BSC member to make that claim. If an opportunity arises, we should absolutely jump at the chance.
We’re Title IX ready with minor tweaks. The additional 22 FB scholarships could be made up by either cutting some men’s sports (soccer, T&F, XC) and adding a women’s sport (swimming and diving) or some combination in between if current women’s sports scholarships aren’t maxed out. We have the most winningest baseball program in CA over the better part of the last decade so cutting baseball is not on the table.
Budget would have to go way up, but that's something that could grow over time. When I looked at the numbers a few years ago, Sac State had the 10th highest athletics fee of the 23 CSU campuses. That means the admin could easily soak the student body to cover a significant portion of the costs of FBS (additional scholarships, coaching salaries, admin support). Also I’m not worried about the state budget, our useless government squanders untold wealth on ludicrous issues, a few million a year on Sac State athletics is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things so having the taxpayers foot the bill is fine by me.
There are 2 big issues, one of which is facilities. Hornet Stadium would need minor upgrades assuming the erector set stadium could last another couple decades. I posted in the stadium renovation thread so won’t comment on it too much. Long term a new stadium is needed, but not in the near term for an FBS jump.
An event center would need to be built. Again, it only hasn’t happened because we have yet to have a President with the fortitude to pass the fee on to the student even though it was approved in 2004. Until the event center is built, hoops could play in Golden1 so I don’t view the Nest as holding us back from an FBS move, although I assume the FBS conference we are hypothetically joining would need to see quick movement on it.
The other big hurdle as stingthemgood pointed out is the small donor base. A stronger fundraising arm needs to be built. Positive movement in that direction is really just one good hire away and while it does take time to build a donor base, going FBS would be the shot in the arm needed to really get that jump started.
superhornet
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A good summary, SD. Thank you.
SoCalHornetFan1
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Solid feedback…. Agree with your input. I’m just hoping our time will come this go around? TBD
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