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BOVEE BASHING

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Born2BleedPurpleGuy

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I love this forum, I really do. I love the diversity of thought and expression. There is one thing I have issue with though and that there a few...a very small few that whenever somethong doesn't look the way they feel it should look...the FIRST THING that comes out is: BOVEE is a clown.
Let's just take the band situation. They see a different band put on Weber shirts and without any effort to search for truth go straight for the "JERRY DID IT CARD". Now that the reason is out, If I had made that statement, I'd be as embarrassed as hell! Now ...can we get an apology? ...a retraction? OWN IT! Ya made a mistake. I forgive you. You're passionate! I get it... I was a proud WSU band member myself.
We have a lot to celebrate here. We had a great season. We're building for the future ( I too want a sweet 16 ,NOW)
My suggestion for the future is to rally as students, student athletes, community and fans to build on a positive note instead of going for the Bovee jugular every time something "seems" amiss.
It would be nice if there is a legit concern. ..just do a little homwork before spewing your vitriolic venom.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

GOOOOO WILDCATS!!
 
100% agree. Spot on.
Bovee is a good man and a good AD. Not perfect, but I'd like to think he got where he is today because he knows what he's doing. We as fans have no idea what it's like to be an athletic director... Give the guy the benefit of the doubt once in a while.
 
I will own it. I still feel Bovee is a clown for this and many other reasons. The band should have been there period. Would have cost $650 per person. It was a cost decision. Bovee should have footed the bill. No doubt he is a nice guy. He would make a good assistant AD. But his programs are poorly managed. He doesn't have a clue how to market athletics. Football hiring decisions have been mediocre at best. He has enraged a good portion of the fan base at one time or another.

You like him? Good for you. You want an apology? You shove that up your arse.
 
Classy post wsuwildcat I will tell you who should bitch,the Utah Utes fans.The #3 seeded pukes losing 2 out of the last 3 by an average of 30 points.Time for them to start calling for Larry's job.
 
Tomcat said:
Classy post wsuwildcat I will tell you who should beotch,the Utah Utes fans.The #3 seeded pukes losing 2 out of the last 3 by an average of 30 points.Time for them to start calling for Larry's job.
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tomcat, I'm a bit confused by your post. What does Utahs loss have anything to do with this thread? I Don't quite understand your approach.

Another approach could be...I understand the frustration. Nonetheless, Jerry, overall, is a decent and hard-working guy. Someone who does his best and is committed to helping grow the Wildcat Brand. He is fair with those around him and treats fans with respect. He's definitely someone I appreciate and admire. Is he perfect? Not at all, and I'm sure he'd be the first one to say so. Does he try hard? Yes...I think so. Are there issues? You bet...we all know what the elephant in the room is. So, no need to beat a dead horse. There are plenty of threads that point out the glaring issues with athletics. No matter, as for Jerry, overall he is a decent guy. I like him...I don't appreciate his attitude towards this forum, another miss on his part, but whatever. If I was being excoriated in a public forum, I'd have bad feelings towards it too.

Lastly, this thread is idiotic at best. Jerry has a job to do. He is grossly underfunded and has some incompetence on his staff. We can only expect his best and we get it, but he does make mistakes. He does some things well others not so much. It is the nature of his job. He can't please everyone. But to write this post is to divide fans and create unneeded Division and contention. I vote this sucker gets locked!
 
Bovee doesn't have to personally know how to do everything himself, i.e., marketing. He is a manager of a medium sized staff. His job, as a manager, is to put the best people in place in each position, set the standard for success for each position, train and motivate them to accomplish more than is expected and hold them accountable to the standards.

If it is true that there is not enough money to do everything well that needs to be done, then his first job as Athletic Director is to raise money. If he doesn't have the money for a better staff, for sending the band on the road, for doing what he needs to do then he needs to go raise the money. If he cannot sell the programs well enough to inspire people to "invest" with their wallet then he is not doing his job well enough.

I personally don't know if there is a money problem or not, but if there is, it is up to Bovee to solve this problem. He should be graded/judged by his success, or lack thereof, in raising the funds needed to grow the programs he is in charge of and then secondarily judged by how well the programs perform. I believe that the Ogden business community will step up and support Weber athletics to a greater degree if they are properly approached with a vision of how their donations will build Weber's success. Many business men are not interested in giving to a program that is striving for mediocrity. Any successful person wants to be associated with things that are successful at a high level. That is one reason so many fans in Ogden become fans of Utah State, Utah & BYU. Those programs aim higher... a great AD would recognize this and move Weber to this higher ground. He would understand that is how he gets all those who now support those other programs to come home to Weber. I don't personally know if Bovee is doing this or not... I do think he is the best AD Weber has had in a long time.
 
Hi Tal,over this year there have been several confusing posts here against Weber,their coach and the players by so called followers and you choose to go after mine?Mine was just a side note to something I felt was amusing.
 
On topic. Webers basketball program is number one in the sky,and I think will be for awhile.The football program is on the rise we seem to have a pretty decent coach.The women's basketball is much better.I haven't paid to much attention to the other sports programs I will admit but all and all things seem to be well.whining about the band not being at the tourney is a bit of a stretch but I guess not being happy is the going thing.I thought the Pitt band wearing Weber shirts and playing for us was awesome there is alot more people around the country that knows about us for sure plus they saw a pretty good Wildcat team. (Plus Utah sucking so bad was worth the mention.
 
Tomcat said:
Hi Tal,over this year there have been several confusing posts here against Weber,their coach and the players by so called followers and you choose to go after mine?Mine was just a side note to something I felt was amusing.
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Wasn't trying to be a dink...just trying to figure out the connection. I don't understand why you are attacking the Utes? I'm not a fan of LK or Chris Hill (by the way Bovee is a million times more forthright, honest, and genuine than that weiner) and so I was pleased with Gonzagas win but to randomly drop Utah into the conversation was just bizarre. Also, I thought there were a lot of really good discussions this year. Feelings were hurt regrettably but that's life. I love reading everyone's opinion, along with our big sky cousins. Thanks for yours too. Like what you have to say. Just curious about the connection.
 
The only connection was I thought the Utes getting blown out in two of the last three games was a feel good story that's all.
 
I challenge any of the "Bovee Bashers" on this website to tell me which if any of the other 11 Big Sky school athletic directors that have been more or even as productive as Bovee has been with what he is limited to, look at all the upgrades our athletic facilities have gotten since Bovee has become the AD at Weber, those who are complaining about the band not being in St. Louis because they had prior obligations, and then to blame and criticize Bovee for it without even knowing the whole details is just bashing for the self need of bashing, which many on this forum do quite often, there are several individuals on the forum that will never be happy even if things are going good at Weber, and they are. Weber State athletics are in a good place right now, all our athletic programs are on the rise and the school continues to win many BSC championships every year.

To me there is always something that can be done to make things better, but I believe that with what he has been limited to Bovee has done a great job as the AD at Weber, and I believe we are lucky to have him.
 
Wildcat... do you have inside knowledge that Bovee has been limited in some way? It is his job to raise the funds to overcome money limitations. That is, it is his job if he is to be considered really good at his job. I agree that Bovee is doing better than any AD we have had in a long time. But I don't know whether he is raising the funds needed to overcome all obstacles or not.

To say that we are doing better than all other BSC schools is a stretch, especially considering Montana. But even if we are doing better than the BSC it is not the standard we should be aspiring to. Our standard for basketball should be much higher than the lowly BSC in my opinion.
 
baller said:
Wildcat... do you have inside knowledge that Bovee has been limited in some way? It is his job to raise the funds to overcome money limitations. That is, it is his job if he is to be considered really good at his job. I agree that Bovee is doing better than any AD we have had in a long time. But I don't know whether he is raising the funds needed to overcome all obstacles or not.

To say that we are doing better than all other BSC schools is a stretch, especially considering Montana. But even if we are doing better than the BSC it is not the standard we should be aspiring to. Our standard for basketball should be much higher than the lowly BSC in my opinion.
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Very well said Baller. If you look at his total body of work, there is some good and some bad. Unfortunatly, what he says isn't always mirrored by his actions.
 
Baller.... look at what the schools funds have done for the football facilities.New press box, new field,new scoreboard and didn't they just get a new indoor practice facility.I am pretty sure all this took alot of money.Maybe we need to be spacific on how much more money he needs to raise.Why don't you bring out facts on what bad Bovey has done.If you are just talking sending the band to Missouri,which they couldn't go anyway well that's a stretch.
 
I think wsu couldn't afford to send the band. Is that the most likely reason? We was under the impression we still had that shoe string budget
 
Tomcat said:
Baller.... look at what the schools funds have done for the football facilities.New press box, new field,new scoreboard and didn't they just get a new indoor practice facility.I am pretty sure all this took alot of money.Maybe we need to be spacific on how much more money he needs to raise.Why don't you bring out facts on what bad Bovey has done.If you are just talking sending the band to Missouri,which they couldn't go anyway well that's a stretch.
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Some of these upgrades you mentioned were constructed 16 years ago.
 
baller said:
Wildcat... do you have inside knowledge that Bovee has been limited in some way? It is his job to raise the funds to overcome money limitations. That is, it is his job if he is to be considered really good at his job. I agree that Bovee is doing better than any AD we have had in a long time. But I don't know whether he is raising the funds needed to overcome all obstacles or not.

To say that we are doing better than all other BSC schools is a stretch, especially considering Montana. But even if we are doing better than the BSC it is not the standard we should be aspiring to. Our standard for basketball should be much higher than the lowly BSC in my opinion.
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I have no insider knowledge, but then again I'm not claiming to

I'm sorry, in my eye's someone who complains about something as TRIVIAL as a pep band being able to get to St. Louis, is beyond petty, and only confirms my statements that there are some on this forum who complain, just for the sake of complaining.

And the only thing that Montana has right now over us is the football tradition, but it's easy to get 25K to a game when there are only 2 DI football programs in the entire state, btw, Montana wasn't always the power they are now, they had people and investors give the project including building WGS, which has elevated the football program to knew heights.

While I agree that Weber State's basketball standards should be elevated as high as possible, making Weber State athletics better in anyway possible, including Upgrades to facilities, quality of hired coaches, butts in the seats (winning solves this one the best), income of money, Weber is leading the way in this conference. Yes our football attendance is horrid, but like I said Winning is the best cure for that problem, and doing consistently.

When I look around the conference and see all the efforts (if any) by all the schools to improve the product put on the playing surface, none in this conference is doing as much in my eyes as Weber State, and a large part of that is thanks to what Bovee has done here.
 
WILDCAT said:
baller said:
While I agree that Weber State's basketball standards should be elevated as high as possible, making Weber State athletics better in anyway possible, including Upgrades to facilities, quality of hired coaches, butts in the seats (winning solves this one the best), income of money, Weber is leading the way in this conference. Yes our football attendance is horrid, but like I said Winning is the best cure for that problem, and doing consistently.
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We won more this season than last in MBB but attendance was significantly down. We also had one of the top big men in the nation. So no winning does not cure all.
 
My opinion is that attendance in the 2014-15 season was a carryover from a good season in 2013-14. Just as the attendance in 2015-16 was a carryover from 2014-15. In addition, I think the lack of quality competition this year really got attendance off to a poor start that it never recovered from.
 
Tomcat said:
The only connection was I thought the Utes getting blown out in two of the last three games was a feel good story that's all.
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:thumb: Now, that's something I can totally agree with.

As for Jerry...well, like I said last year. He has been very successful in some areas and not so much in others. Growing the brand has not been something he has excelled at, but he try's hard. However, graduation rates and facilities have definitely improved under his watch. I listened to him speak last August and was quite happy with his overall plan for this year, and feel he has done a really good job of accomplishing what he set out to do this year. Are there glaring issues? YES...we all know what the biggest one is, but he is the captain of the ship. And I'm confident with his leadership. No matter, overall, I think he is doing well. I also feel he is extremely approachable and definitely somebody that I consider a friend. :twocents:
 
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