Weber a strong 1st in both coaches and media poll not sure if coaches can vote for own team but one of them gave Montana St. a 1st place vote ...with Frey likely ineligible that is very surprising to say the least.http://www.bigskyconf.com/news/2016/10/12/MBB_1012162614.aspx
-
Hi Guest,
We've updated the site to combine all the forums that were part of the Big Sky Fans Network into one location. This will make it easier to navigate and participate in all the discussions for each school without having to have multiple accounts, etc. We are still working out some tweaks but please let us know if you notice anything.
With the migration, in some circumstances, your username could have been merged with one of your other usernames from the other forums. If this is the case, you can request to change your username in your account details page of your profile. -
Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!
-
Guest, do want an ad free experience on BigSkyFans.com among other benefits? Upgrade your account today!
Simply click your profile name > account upgrades > BigSky Club > choose between the year long subscription (two free months) or month to month
Thanks for the continued support. Cheers!
BSC Polls
- Thread starter thescout
- Start date
I actually think the coaches are a little bit more on point than the media, especially in the top four.
Martin Breunig (sp?) was a very large part of Montana's offense which was evident everytime he went out. Montana's other bigs have size but didn't have a lot on the skills and athleticism side. I think it is going to take Montana some time to adjust with not having Martin. And I think 4th is an accurate spot. Though Im sure Montana will be in the heat of things when things come down to the wire.
Martin Breunig (sp?) was a very large part of Montana's offense which was evident everytime he went out. Montana's other bigs have size but didn't have a lot on the skills and athleticism side. I think it is going to take Montana some time to adjust with not having Martin. And I think 4th is an accurate spot. Though Im sure Montana will be in the heat of things when things come down to the wire.
wazzuwildcat03
Active member
I agree completely with the coaches poll. The only change I would make is switch Portland St with Sac St. I think the hornets are better than the Vikings.
Reasons why Weber is #1:
1. Reigning Champs bringing back 4 starters. Only lost 1 Letterman.
2. Jeremy Senglin, MVP Candidate and reigning 1st Teamer. Possible NBA guy (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Senglin-77911/stats/) has him as the 30 best JR.
3. Kyndahl Hill reigning 6th man. Has the potential to being a double-double machine.
4. McKay Cannon perhaps the best ball handler in the Sky. Could be the to assist man this season
5. Wildcat Front. Plenty of teams will challenge the Cats back court, but few can match up with our front court.
6. Coach's system. Everyone knows what we are going to run and only 1 coach has figured out how to stop it. He is in Oregon. I have a feeling that he is going to throw in a couple wrinkles. Possibly a pick and roll offense??
7. WINGS!! Cannot say enough about the depth we have at the 3.
8. We are tough as hell on the court and have great chemistry.
9. Baker -- He is the penultimate Glu-Guy. Championship teams need good glu-guys and we have the best.
10. Ryan Richardson, this is going to be his breakout year. I can feel it. He has such potential.
11. 3pt shooting.
What can derail Weber:
1. Rebounding. I'm very worried about our rebounding without Joel. I think Kyndahl and Zach can pick up some of the slack, but we desperately need the guards to get after the boards too.
2. Perimeter defense is fine, what worries me is our ability to limit penetration. We struggled stopping speedy guys from getting to the hoop.
3. Big playing with their backs to the basket. Kyndahl will be very traditional in scope and I feel Zach will become a beast as a sophomore, but we really lacked that ability last year.
4. Inside D. Waaaay to many cheap fouls from either stopping the drive, to standing up to a big trying to back you down.
5. Dependence on the "big" shot. 3 point shooting.
1. Reigning Champs bringing back 4 starters. Only lost 1 Letterman.
2. Jeremy Senglin, MVP Candidate and reigning 1st Teamer. Possible NBA guy (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeremy-Senglin-77911/stats/) has him as the 30 best JR.
3. Kyndahl Hill reigning 6th man. Has the potential to being a double-double machine.
4. McKay Cannon perhaps the best ball handler in the Sky. Could be the to assist man this season
5. Wildcat Front. Plenty of teams will challenge the Cats back court, but few can match up with our front court.
6. Coach's system. Everyone knows what we are going to run and only 1 coach has figured out how to stop it. He is in Oregon. I have a feeling that he is going to throw in a couple wrinkles. Possibly a pick and roll offense??
7. WINGS!! Cannot say enough about the depth we have at the 3.
8. We are tough as hell on the court and have great chemistry.
9. Baker -- He is the penultimate Glu-Guy. Championship teams need good glu-guys and we have the best.
10. Ryan Richardson, this is going to be his breakout year. I can feel it. He has such potential.
11. 3pt shooting.
What can derail Weber:
1. Rebounding. I'm very worried about our rebounding without Joel. I think Kyndahl and Zach can pick up some of the slack, but we desperately need the guards to get after the boards too.
2. Perimeter defense is fine, what worries me is our ability to limit penetration. We struggled stopping speedy guys from getting to the hoop.
3. Big playing with their backs to the basket. Kyndahl will be very traditional in scope and I feel Zach will become a beast as a sophomore, but we really lacked that ability last year.
4. Inside D. Waaaay to many cheap fouls from either stopping the drive, to standing up to a big trying to back you down.
5. Dependence on the "big" shot. 3 point shooting.
Idaho is going to be tough. They have the pieces to compete and a good coach.
Montana has a bunch of guards, but still don't have any bigs. Yes, you can be successful with a 4 guard lineup, but you still need size for rebounding and paint D.
North Dakota is good from top to bottom. Their coaching is suspect. Not in development or recruiting but with in game adjustments.
Idaho State same as Montana. No bigs, but unlike Montana they only have one really good guard and a couple of above-average guys.
Montana State...Konner Frey is a graduate transfer, right? Shouldn't he be able to play right away?? Great guard, perhaps an NBA guy, but that is really it for MSU.
Montana has a bunch of guards, but still don't have any bigs. Yes, you can be successful with a 4 guard lineup, but you still need size for rebounding and paint D.
North Dakota is good from top to bottom. Their coaching is suspect. Not in development or recruiting but with in game adjustments.
Idaho State same as Montana. No bigs, but unlike Montana they only have one really good guard and a couple of above-average guys.
Montana State...Konner Frey is a graduate transfer, right? Shouldn't he be able to play right away?? Great guard, perhaps an NBA guy, but that is really it for MSU.
PURPLEFORLIFE
Active member
hawkssb04 said:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Really how can anyone disagree with these polls?
oldrunner
Active member
thescout said:
Coaches can't vote for their own team. That is the way I understand it. Trying to pick the order of finish is just a WAG. I prefer the media's take on it. Montana is not as bad off as some are thinking, and North Dakota is not as good as you might think. Idaho and Idaho State are going to be good.
Weber deserves top billing despite losing the best player in BSC a third of their rebounding over 20% of scoring and BSC. and defensive POY.... Did have their hands full last 5 vs BSC won the close games with Joel.... 2...UND top 6 scorers and rebounds back from 4th best RPI team last year they had super tough BSC schedule this season BSC schedule is much easier. 3rd. Idaho probably the 2nd best team in BSC 4 starters back ...lose ok PG.tough BSC Slate puts them in 3rd.....4th Montana lose stud Breunig over 25% of teams pts and boards....extremely efficient scorer a very small team lots of guards only one basketball....5th Idaho st. lose only one decent player from 6th best BSC RPI team tougher BSC schedule this year... I see a kinda big drop off from 5th to 6th . I will pick a surprise team N AZ for 6th ...2015 BSC Defensive POY and strong rebounder Martin and starting guard Neely return off red shirt years...Kaluna is very solid, recruit Johnson had offers from Nebraska, Houston, New Mexico and Auburn back in 2013 . will need one or two of the many returning sophomore's to pop this season....7th EW took on huge losses but return high quality player in Jr.Bliznyuk seniors Van Hofe and Harrell, ...first Team NAIA A.A .Wiley a transfer was EW top performer on their summer trip....PG. looks weak not sure about depth or coaching...8th SAC ST Junior Strings 1ppg as a Fr...Blew up as a Soph close to 16ppg and 6 reb. while shooting a high %, Graves is a solid PG, SR Hornsby is solid rebounder, Sr. Big Stuteville had his moments , Soph Dressler looked improved on summer tour. Depth looks very??. 9th Montana St . big loss in Colbert plus a couple of role players off the bench 6th best RPI In BSC last season. Hall a stud frosh might get a little more attention now that scoring point guard Colbert is gone could see Mt. St finishing as high as 6th....10th Port. St. Robinson and Tucker return both solid and experieced Gengler also experienced and Senior Parsons is athletic and closed out the season pretty solid ...some of the recruits had nice offers and the talent level could be solid... 11th. UNC Ranked 10th in BSC RPI Season lose a couple players in Wilson and Anglin ...Johnson a good player and soph Wilson solid new coach new system and probation....12TH S Utah last place BSC RPI last season...Texas Tech Transfer Onwuasor and Trey Kennedy likely to lead this team ...I see very little production in the paint and ok guard play...The 2 jucos they signed would likely start for them but they are not listed on the current roster ...New Coach , new system not much experienced talent...
DeeWildcatTailgater
Active member
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2016-10-18/college-basketball-preview-big-sky-conference?cid=ncaammsocial_fb_sf39232838
sacstateman
Active member
I'm not saying I agree with him but KenPom has Weber at #3....here is the complete rankings for the BSC....
1 North Dakota
2 Montana
3 Weber
4 Idaho
5 Sac State
6 ISU
7 Montana State
8 EWU
9 Portland St
10 N Colorado
11 NAU
12 S Utah
Here are his complete D1 rankings....http://kenpom.com/
1 North Dakota
2 Montana
3 Weber
4 Idaho
5 Sac State
6 ISU
7 Montana State
8 EWU
9 Portland St
10 N Colorado
11 NAU
12 S Utah
Here are his complete D1 rankings....http://kenpom.com/
sacstateman said:
To be honest, I can't really disagree with Ken either. That poll makes a lot of sense. Montana is going to be tough in the backcourt. But I still think Weber, Idaho, North Dakota and even MSU are all better shooting teams. Montana is going to live and die with the drive this year. Their ability to penetrate will be the most important thing for them. As for any sort of inside/out game, out of the top 6 teams they are the worst. Guards win games, bigs win Championships.
oldrunner
Active member
I'm just not seeing it in North Dakota. They have one good guard and a decent forward. Montana has three good guards, a serviceable big, and some athletic wings. We are five deep at guard and may have the two best bigs in the league. What am I missing with UND? Is it their superior coaching, their great rebounding, their stifling defense, what, what??? Maybe it is all that clean air in Grand Forks, or all the good, natural grains they harvest up there?? Please tell me what I am missing here. :wall: :yikes: :dunce: :shocking:
bincitysioux
Active member
Honestly, I don't get all the love for North Dakota this pre season either. I do believe that Quinton Hooker is the best player in the league. And we have some other nice players, but our coaching staff is going to hold them way back.
I would have liked them more if McDermott hadn't transferred -- he would have been one of the better three-point shooters in the league. I still like their chances to finish in the top four: Hooker is a warrior, Crandall averaged almost 11 points a game as a freshman and has the potential to be one of the better guards in the league, Bernstine is one of the leading returning rebounders and Shanks has potential as a 7-footer. Maybe I was overly impressed with the three beatings they put on ISU last year, but there is definitely some talent there.oldrunner said:
Crandall 4th in BSC in assists and 2nd in steals as a frosh plus 4 boards a games as frosh...too many turnovers...Bernstine top returning rebounder per game in BSC...Avants 8ppg 3 rebounds 56% from field and Seales 7.5 ppg as frosh was a rivals 3 star recruit. Juco Kinsey turned down 5 other D1 offers..... UND need a couple of the sophs to show a nice 2nd year pop to contend... Last I looked jones got UND to the CIT 5 of the last 6 seasons better than most BSC teams....
I'm with Scout. I don't know why people aren't worried about UND. I think they have a really strong team coming back. The Sioux's core guys are good. Maybe not as talented as other teams, but really play well together. A team, if Weber fans will remember, beat us handily in Dakota, and then took us to OT the night before winning the Big Sky Tournament. If it wasn't for some amazing shooting by Senglin and timely miscues by the Sioux, we lose that game and end up playing away in the NIT instead of facing off against Xavier in the NCAAs.
Montana, Idaho, Idaho State, none of those other contenders (I think Sac is a dark horse contender because of this reason) have big men as good as UNDs. Shanks and Bernstine, with Avants playing the wing and backing up in the paint, is a solid front court. Who else has such a deep and talented front court, who is complimented nicely by its back court (Weber is and that is why we are polling at the top)? We all know how good Hooker is, but how are we forgetting about Crandall and Seales? Crandall is a dangerous and highly talented player. Most importantly he is solid defensively.
Granted, I agree with Bengal, losing McDermott is quite the loss. That is proof that Brian Jones makes some really interesting decisions. That being said about BJ, that might be the reason behind the lack of confidence in the Sioux this season. He has had talent before. I would say he has had a far better back court before, but he has never had the skill in the middle that he has now. That is what worries me. The combination of strong front court with an experienced and talented back court.
Montana, Idaho, Idaho State, none of those other contenders (I think Sac is a dark horse contender because of this reason) have big men as good as UNDs. Shanks and Bernstine, with Avants playing the wing and backing up in the paint, is a solid front court. Who else has such a deep and talented front court, who is complimented nicely by its back court (Weber is and that is why we are polling at the top)? We all know how good Hooker is, but how are we forgetting about Crandall and Seales? Crandall is a dangerous and highly talented player. Most importantly he is solid defensively.
Granted, I agree with Bengal, losing McDermott is quite the loss. That is proof that Brian Jones makes some really interesting decisions. That being said about BJ, that might be the reason behind the lack of confidence in the Sioux this season. He has had talent before. I would say he has had a far better back court before, but he has never had the skill in the middle that he has now. That is what worries me. The combination of strong front court with an experienced and talented back court.
one thing that is tough to predict is year to year improvement .... last year hooker went from solid to great, Sac St. had 2 players Graves and Strings who did nothing in 2015 to very nice players last year...same with Sanders of Idaho and Johnson of UNC. Last year 4 of top 6 scorers were newbies... Do not see in stud grad transfers in this year like McBroom and Forte. With Joel,Jois and Breunig gone The table is set for Braxton to become the best 5 in the BSC.. The BSC title is a marathon and the conference tourney is more of a sprint...If the same team wins them both this year I will be surprised
