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Carrying the Big Sky's weight again

GreatDayToBeAnEagle

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Haley sure doesn't hold back here:
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4646617" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know him giving EWU any compliments at all must have been tough, and you can tell in that piece how hard it is for him to do it.

That said, yes, the Big Sky has been a HUGE disappointment. No doubt about that. But how many other conferences are judged off of the quantity of teams they move through the playoffs? Kind of a double standard I feel.

Oh well. east coast bias in the FCS is nothing new.
 
I think the Big Sky was down this year for top teams, but the overall conference strength is up with a bunch of good teams. We were obviously the class of the conference and we're not really challenged much.

I'm surprised that NAU got the woodshed treatment by SDSU at home after seeing them yesterday. We need to go all the way to quiet the east coast bias.
 
The Big Sky is a little bit of a disappointment in the playoffs, yes. But I don't understand why people think that any of the other bubble teams would have done better than NAU or SUU. Both those teams got very difficult draws in their opening games (as did EWU and Montana). We get more teams in the playoffs because we're a bigger conference.

Saying that, Montana should have taken care of business yesterday. You're playing in cold weather with one of the biggest home field advantages in the FCS. No excuses for that, really.
 
MLEagle said:
I think the Big Sky was down this year for top teams, but the overall conference strength is up with a bunch of good teams. We were obviously the class of the conference and we're not really challenged much.

I'm surprised that NAU got the woodshed treatment by SDSU at home after seeing them yesterday. We need to go all the way to quiet the east coast bias.

Eastern was head and shoulders better than any team in the Big Sky this year. Unfortunately, it reflects negatively on us, but it's really no different than when Montana was the clear class of the Big Sky and making deep playoff runs and we were getting beat in the second round. Bit of a power shift in the Big Sky the past few years.
 
We are going to be carrying the weight next year and possibly the next as well. Is there really anybody who will be able to play ball next year? Who could possibly challenge us?

University of Montana: Weren't all that great this year and have a definite rebuild year. They turn one dimensional with the loss of their quarterback and lose the majority of their starting linebacker corps.

Montana State: Denarius McGhee is gone. We saw how vulnerable Montana State was without their quarterback being 100 percent. That paired with the loss of Kirk, Ellis, Bleskin and many other good players, Montana State will be very down next year. They will be in deep recovery.

Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Cal Poly: Very heavy senior class of 24 (a larger proportion on their touted defense). Also in rebuild. However, many of their key positions are returning. This is a team I could see as Big Sky runner up. Contender? No.

Sacramento State: These guys were supposed to be contenders this year. However, with a signing class of 26 last year, I think it is safe to say they had a young team. With Safron coming back, this is a team I can see as Big Sky runner ups. Contenders? With the team we have coming next year, not a chance.

Northern Arizona: Were overrated this year. No quarterback and Zack Baumann, who carried the offense, is graduating. I don't think we'll see NAU for a little while.

Southern Utah: Also overrated. As soon as SUU knocked off Montana State, I said, "The Big Sky isn't nearly as strong as I thought it was if SUU is now a contender for runner up". They return their strong defense, but with the loss of a huge chunk of the d-line, they once again won't have the offense to get it done.

Idaho State, Weber, Colorado, North Dakota, and UC Davis? ..... LOL


I know it's too early to talk about next season, but come on. We run the table next year. We will be the only playoff ready team for 1-2 years.







EDIT: I was under the impression JJ from UM was graduating. Apparently he is around for another year. With an experienced quarterback and a good skill position returning, Grizzlies will most likely take runner up next year.
 
Rjones61 said:
We are going to be carrying the weight next year and possibly the next as well. Is there really anybody who will be able to play ball next year? Who could possibly challenge us?

University of Montana: Weren't all that great this year and have a definite rebuild year. They turn one dimensional with the loss of their quarterback and lose the majority of their starting linebacker corps.

Montana State: Denarius McGhee is gone. We saw how vulnerable Montana State was without their quarterback being 100 percent. That paired with the loss of Kirk, Ellis, Bleskin and many other good players, Montana State will be very down next year. They will be in deep recovery.

Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Cal Poly: Very heavy senior class of 24 (a larger proportion on their touted defense). Also in rebuild. However, many of their key positions are returning. This is a team I could see as Big Sky runner up. Contender? No.

Sacramento State: These guys were supposed to be contenders this year. However, with a signing class of 26 last year, I think it is safe to say they had a young team. With Safron coming back, this is a team I can see as Big Sky runner ups. Contenders? With the team we have coming next year, not a chance.

Northern Arizona: Were overrated this year. No quarterback and Zack Baumann, who carried the offense, is graduating. I don't think we'll see NAU for a little while.

Southern Utah: Also overrated. As soon as SUU knocked off Montana State, I said, "The Big Sky isn't nearly as strong as I thought it was if SUU is now a contender for runner up". They return their strong defense, but with the loss of a huge chunk of the d-line, they once again won't have the offense to get it done.

Idaho State, Weber, Colorado, North Dakota, and UC Davis? ..... LOL


I know it's too early to talk about next season, but come on. We run the table next year. We will be the only playoff ready team for 1-2 years.

SUU has three REALLY good defenders returning in Browning, Holly, and Cowser. Lamb has them improving each year. If they can develop a decent offense they will make another step forward.




EDIT: I was under the impression JJ from UM was graduating. Apparently he is around for another year. With an experienced quarterback and a good skill position returning, Grizzlies will most likely take runner up next year.
 
Rjones61 said:
We are going to be carrying the weight next year and possibly the next as well. Is there really anybody who will be able to play ball next year? Who could possibly challenge us?

University of Montana: Weren't all that great this year and have a definite rebuild year. They turn one dimensional with the loss of their quarterback and lose the majority of their starting linebacker corps.

Montana State: Denarius McGhee is gone. We saw how vulnerable Montana State was without their quarterback being 100 percent. That paired with the loss of Kirk, Ellis, Bleskin and many other good players, Montana State will be very down next year. They will be in deep recovery.

Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Cal Poly: Very heavy senior class of 24 (a larger proportion on their touted defense). Also in rebuild. However, many of their key positions are returning. This is a team I could see as Big Sky runner up. Contender? No.

Sacramento State: These guys were supposed to be contenders this year. However, with a signing class of 26 last year, I think it is safe to say they had a young team. With Safron coming back, this is a team I can see as Big Sky runner ups. Contenders? With the team we have coming next year, not a chance.

Northern Arizona: Were overrated this year. No quarterback and Zack Baumann, who carried the offense, is graduating. I don't think we'll see NAU for a little while.

Southern Utah: Also overrated. As soon as SUU knocked off Montana State, I said, "The Big Sky isn't nearly as strong as I thought it was if SUU is now a contender for runner up". They return their strong defense, but with the loss of a huge chunk of the d-line, they once again won't have the offense to get it done.

Idaho State, Weber, Colorado, North Dakota, and UC Davis? ..... LOL


I know it's too early to talk about next season, but come on. We run the table next year. We will be the only playoff ready team for 1-2 years.







EDIT: I was under the impression JJ from UM was graduating. Apparently he is around for another year. With an experienced quarterback and a good skill position returning, Grizzlies will most likely take runner up next year.

I think it'll look like this going into next season:

1.) EWU - Clear-cut favorite until proven otherwise. Our biggest losses are on the O-Line in Murphy, Forgette, and Miller. Saying that, we have depth there. We return all of our good tackles, and I could easily see Jake Rodgers sliding into one of those Guard positions and Butorac is basically a shoe-in to start at Center. I'm not sure who the other Guard will be. On defense, biggest losses are on the D-Line with Pulu, Larry, and Katoa. Those are some big losses, but probably mitigated some with the amount of players we rotate there.

2.) Montana - You can't count them out to compete for a BSC title every year. They have as much talent as we do at most positions. Questions are mostly coaching, IMO.

3.) SUU - A really good defense will take you a long way, and they get a lot of transfers. Need to get better offensively to contend for a conference title, though.

4.) Sac State - Will win a lot of games because of their good QB and offense. Need to get better defensively to be a real contender. I see Sac State winning as many as 8 games in 2014.

5.) MSU - Probably a re-building year for them, but they have a lot of talent so depending on how things go I could see them anywhere from #2 to #6. Biggest questions are obviously at QB and whether they can improve on their poor defense.

6.) Cal Poly - They have to replace a lot of their defense. Could go higher if they can figure that out, because offensively they'll be pretty good.

7.) Portland State - So hot and cold, but they have some guys that can play, as we all know. Their big WR is legit.

8.) Idaho State - Should continue to build on the relative improvements they made this season under a good coach and young team. I think they'll win as many as 6 games in 2014.

9.) UC Davis - I am starting to wonder how much success Davis will have in the Big Sky. So far they've been a disappointment. Probably a .500 team in 2014.

10.) NAU - 2013 was probably NAU's best chance in a long time to do anything in the playoffs. They won't be able to rely on Bauman for the majority of their offense, so they need to figure out their QB situation. Most likely a 4 or 5 win season.

11.) UND - Not a lot of success the past couple of years, new coaching staff, etc. I don't see them winning more than 3 or 4 games in 2014.

11.) Weber State - Will be interesting to see what they can do with a new HC. Most likely a total re-building year for the Wildcats, though.

13.) UNC - UNC needs to just scrap their entire coaching staff and start over. I don't see the Bears improving under Collins.
 
EWURanger said:
The Big Sky is a little bit of a disappointment in the playoffs, yes. But I don't understand why people think that any of the other bubble teams would have done better than NAU or SUU. Both those teams got very difficult draws in their opening games (as did EWU and Montana). We get more teams in the playoffs because we're a bigger conference.

Saying that, Montana should have taken care of business yesterday. You're playing in cold weather with one of the biggest home field advantages in the FCS. No excuses for that, really.


Nobody expected southern Utah to beat Sam Houston but they could have played them tougher.

I knew NAU was suspect but you can't lose home games to one dimensional teams when you're one win off the bsc crown. That's unacceptable.

Montana had no excuse coastal didn't look that good to be up like that at half. Montana didn't show up till second half. No excuse! Had UM won, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

EWU looks like a championship team this year. If VA play 3 more good games EWU gets this years National Title.
 
Rjones61
you may be correct on your analysis. We didn't have the depth to cope w the loss of 14 starters throughout the season(may be off by 1). McGhee was healthy for 3.9 quarters this year(SMU) All depends if we are healthy, if we have a couple of key transfers, and who steps up in replacement of lost seniors. The only healthy senior that we lose on offense is Tanner Bleskin.
But that is part of football as well and doesn't solve losses.
Also lost key backups throughout season and ended up 3rd on depth chart. I look forward to our recovery and am intrigued to see who will step up. EW will certainly be the team to beat next year.
Good luck with Jax st.
 
Eastern will be the team to beat next year, but as we saw in 2011, a tough early slate and a few critical injuries can derail a season in the matter of a few minutes. One thing about the FCS is that with 63 schollies, it only takes a couple of unfortunate injuries to really cause serious problems, so you never know.

I think we restock pretty well along the OL, and I think we've got improving DEs. Getting a top-quality DT will be an imperative for next season--- whether that is a roster guy currently in development or a transfer is probably irrelevant. We also don't know the fate of Ronnie Hamlin yet, because as of now he's done after this season. I think everyone around the program expects him back, but ultimately that's an NCAA decision that is out of our hands. If he's gone, that's a big loss.

Plus, the big wildcard, it seems like every year there is one Big sky team who just comes from left field and has a great year. Last season, it was Cal Poly. This year, Southern Utah. Who knows who it'll be next year.
 
Rjones61 said:
Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Not sure why you are dogging Portland State's coaching staff. They've improved quite a bit under Burton and damn near upset a much more talented Eastern team in Cheney this year. Portland State's biggest problem is credibility, because they are a total afterthought in the Portland market. They make no noise and generate no interest.
 
LDopaPDX said:
Eastern will be the team to beat next year, but as we saw in 2011, a tough early slate and a few critical injuries can derail a season in the matter of a few minutes. One thing about the FCS is that with 63 schollies, it only takes a couple of unfortunate injuries to really cause serious problems, so you never know.

Yep, and 2011 made us re-learn that one. That said, I think we've built a little more depth with the past 3 recruiting classes that make us a little deeper than we were in 2011...and maybe even 2010. You could really see our depth making a mark both in 2012 and 2013.
 
EWURanger said:
LDopaPDX said:
Eastern will be the team to beat next year, but as we saw in 2011, a tough early slate and a few critical injuries can derail a season in the matter of a few minutes. One thing about the FCS is that with 63 schollies, it only takes a couple of unfortunate injuries to really cause serious problems, so you never know.

Yep, and 2011 made us re-learn that one. That said, I think we've built a little more depth with the past 3 recruiting classes that make us a little deeper than we were in 2011...and maybe even 2010. You could really see our depth making a mark both in 2012 and 2013.

We only played 4 home games in 2011 and started the season with 3 straight on the road. Next year is a lot different. I hope we NEVER see a schedule like 2011 again...
 
marceagfan5 said:
EWURanger said:
LDopaPDX said:
Eastern will be the team to beat next year, but as we saw in 2011, a tough early slate and a few critical injuries can derail a season in the matter of a few minutes. One thing about the FCS is that with 63 schollies, it only takes a couple of unfortunate injuries to really cause serious problems, so you never know.

Yep, and 2011 made us re-learn that one. That said, I think we've built a little more depth with the past 3 recruiting classes that make us a little deeper than we were in 2011...and maybe even 2010. You could really see our depth making a mark both in 2012 and 2013.

We only played 4 home games in 2011 and started the season with 3 straight on the road. Next year is a lot different. I hope we NEVER see a schedule like 2011 again...

Damn it, I just think about 2011 and get pissed. What a colossal fuck-up that was at the AD level. We took all that momentum and a #1 ranking and decided to go on a world tour... Thank God our coaching staff kept it together and got us back on track, because that could have driven us right back to mediocrity with lesser leadership.
 
LDopaPDX said:
Rjones61 said:
Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Not sure why you are dogging Portland State's coaching staff. They've improved quite a bit under Burton and damn near upset a much more talented Eastern team in Cheney this year. Portland State's biggest problem is credibility, because they are a total afterthought in the Portland market. They make no noise and generate no interest.

They ranked 100 in turnover margin and 117th in fewest penalty yards per game. They averaged over 500 yards of offense against Cal, Montana, Poly, Sac, and EWU losing all 5 of those games.

They have talent and size but appear to be undisciplined and mistake prone.
 
kalm said:
LDopaPDX said:
Rjones61 said:
Portland State: Portland State had the talent to be a bubble team in the playoffs this year. The only thing that held them back was Portland's absurdly terrible coaching staff. Since there have been no announcements for the removal of their coaching staff, I am going to assume that Portland State will be held back again and deteriorate as talented players request a transfer. If their coaching staff pulls their head out of their asses, I might believe they pull off a winning season next year.

Not sure why you are dogging Portland State's coaching staff. They've improved quite a bit under Burton and damn near upset a much more talented Eastern team in Cheney this year. Portland State's biggest problem is credibility, because they are a total afterthought in the Portland market. They make no noise and generate no interest.

They ranked 100 in turnover margin and 117th in fewest penalty yards per game. They averaged over 500 yards of offense against Cal, Montana, Poly, Sac, and EWU losing all 5 of those games.

They have talent and size but appear to be undisciplined and mistake prone.

This, they are a very undisciplined team. But also, the head coach treats his players like crap. Here are a couple threads from the PSU forum.
http://www.bigskyfans.com/vikings/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3305
http://www.bigskyfans.com/vikings/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3261

I realize that this was posted by the same poster, but none of the other users really seem to disagree with him.

One of their starting wide receivers was not put on scholarship. The head coach told him that, because he is from a rich area, he should not get one.

http://www.oregonlive.com/vikings/index.ssf/2013/09/closs_excels_in_the_slot_for_p.html



Their coaching staff is excellent at recruiting and play making, but they keep the team down by treating their players and each other horribly.
 
The main point I was making in my analysis of the Big Sky is that we and MAYBE University of Montana are the only teams who have the potential to step up and make another deep run in the playoffs. No other team is loaded for next year. The overall talent in the Big Sky is staying the same with EWU taking the lead. This makes me kind of sad because aside from an EWU fan, I am also a Big Sky Conference fan. I would like us to become the nations FCS powerhouse again, but I don't see any other teams stepping up within the next 1-2 years.
 
Rjones61 said:
The main point I was making in my analysis of the Big Sky is that we and MAYBE University of Montana are the only teams who have the potential to step up and make another deep run in the playoffs. No other team is loaded for next year. The overall talent in the Big Sky is staying the same with EWU taking the lead. This makes me kind of sad because aside from an EWU fan, I am also a Big Sky Conference fan. I would like us to become the nations FCS powerhouse again, but I don't see any other teams stepping up within the next 1-2 years.

Perhaps no deep runs but I think Davis had a good year under their new head coach and freshman sensation Gabe Manzaneres is back. They went 5-3 in conference this year including a win at SUU.

I'd also look to Poly. They lose quite a bit on D but Walsh seems like a consistent coach and I wouldn't be surprised to see them re-load (remember how we had to rebuild at WR this year?). They also return their best QB.

As someone previously mentioned, with 13 teams, chances are somebody may come out of the wood work and surprise. This is SELA's first trip to the playoffs, EIU is just two years removed from a winless OVC campaign, UNH was dead in the water half way through this season and NEVER makes it out if the quarters, and JSU was a bubble team from a conference that was something like 0 for its last 19 playoff games. Yet here they all are.
 

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