GoldenEagle
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Let's send the cats and griz home with big losses this week. Last year's schedule gave them a big favor as they didn't have to come to Reese court.
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cat and griz week
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Atomic Eagle
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Both are probably better than their records would indicate. Montana in particular has had a very tough schedule.
GoldenEagle
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Atomic Eagle said:Both are probably better than their records would indicate. Montana in particular has had a very tough schedule.
The montana teams are decent but I don't believe match up well against the EAGS. As far as non-conference records go Eastern's is the best in the BSC and the EAGS have played a more difficult non-conference schedule.
EWU's Strength of schedule (SOS) is better than both Montana schools. RPI isn't close. All data from ESPN http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5
EWU RPI Rank = 92, Non-conference SOS = 90
UM RPI Rank = 214, Non-conference SOS = 116
MSU RPI Rank = 331, Non-conference SOS = 238
Colter_Nuanez
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EWU is undefeated at Reese Court this year. Montana State will try to change that Thursday — http://skylinesportsmt.com/ewu-msu-preview/
Seattle Eagle
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Another rough start to this game. We need to find a way to limit the turnovers.
Colter_Nuanez
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Despite Hall's 33 points, efficient Eagles dispatch of Bobcats
http://skylinesportsmt.com/ewu-downs-msu-2/
http://skylinesportsmt.com/ewu-downs-msu-2/
ClarkWGrizwald
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GoldenEagle said:Atomic Eagle said:Both are probably better than their records would indicate. Montana in particular has had a very tough schedule.
The montana teams are decent but I don't believe match up well against the EAGS. As far as non-conference records go Eastern's is the best in the BSC and the EAGS have played a more difficult non-conference schedule.
EWU's Strength of schedule (SOS) is better than both Montana schools. RPI isn't close. All data from ESPN http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5
EWU RPI Rank = 92, Non-conference SOS = 90
UM RPI Rank = 214, Non-conference SOS = 116
MSU RPI Rank = 331, Non-conference SOS = 238
Meh. The SOS numbers are completely misleading. The GRIZ played three teams in the RPI Top 25, four in the top 50, and six in the top 100. Eastern played just one in the top 25, just one in the top 50, and just 3 in the top 100. SOS also excluded DII games; Eastern played two of those, UM none.
That's not to say that UM will be favored in this game; they won't be in Cheney. But your stats aren't the reason, and to suggest Eastern's noncon schedule was more-difficult than Montana's is just silly.
GoldenEagle
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ClarkWGrizwald said:GoldenEagle said:Atomic Eagle said:Both are probably better than their records would indicate. Montana in particular has had a very tough schedule.
The montana teams are decent but I don't believe match up well against the EAGS. As far as non-conference records go Eastern's is the best in the BSC and the EAGS have played a more difficult non-conference schedule.
EWU's Strength of schedule (SOS) is better than both Montana schools. RPI isn't close. All data from ESPN http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5
EWU RPI Rank = 92, Non-conference SOS = 90
UM RPI Rank = 214, Non-conference SOS = 116
MSU RPI Rank = 331, Non-conference SOS = 238
Meh. The SOS numbers are completely misleading. The GRIZ played three teams in the RPI Top 25, four in the top 50, and six in the top 100. Eastern played just one in the top 25, just one in the top 50, and just 3 in the top 100. SOS also excluded DII games; Eastern played two of those, UM none.
That's not to say that UM will be favored in this game; they won't be in Cheney. But your stats aren't the reason, and to suggest Eastern's noncon schedule was more-difficult than Montana's is just silly.
My mistake. I just called ESPN and notified them that their RPI metrics were incorrect and misleading because a UM fan said so. I think ESPN is now reevaluating whether to use RPI in the future.
ClarkWGrizwald
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No, your mistake was not understanding the metrics.
ClarkWGrizwald said:No, your mistake was not understanding the metrics.
Throw out the SOS then. Eastern has a considerably higher RPI than Montana and that is based on who they have beaten. Either way I think it will be a close game.
Rafter_Reese
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You can throw out the RPI and SOS. They don't mean much too me and this is coming from a huge stats guy. Montana passes the eye-test which is all that really matters. UM has a great team with LEGIT guards. This is going to be a tough one for the Eags. There aren't many things I would miss this one for. Reese should be rockin :rockon: even with school not back in session yet.ClarkWGrizwald said:GoldenEagle said:Atomic Eagle said:Both are probably better than their records would indicate. Montana in particular has had a very tough schedule.
The montana teams are decent but I don't believe match up well against the EAGS. As far as non-conference records go Eastern's is the best in the BSC and the EAGS have played a more difficult non-conference schedule.
EWU's Strength of schedule (SOS) is better than both Montana schools. RPI isn't close. All data from ESPN http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/5
EWU RPI Rank = 92, Non-conference SOS = 90
UM RPI Rank = 214, Non-conference SOS = 116
MSU RPI Rank = 331, Non-conference SOS = 238
Meh. The SOS numbers are completely misleading. The GRIZ played three teams in the RPI Top 25, four in the top 50, and six in the top 100. Eastern played just one in the top 25, just one in the top 50, and just 3 in the top 100. SOS also excluded DII games; Eastern played two of those, UM none.
That's not to say that UM will be favored in this game; they won't be in Cheney. But your stats aren't the reason, and to suggest Eastern's noncon schedule was more-difficult than Montana's is just silly.
go eags!
GoldenEagle
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UM has good guards and I'm sure they will have an impact but I think the EAGS better front line will be too much for the weaker griz forwards. Jacob Wiley is a beast and they won't be able to cover the more athletic Wiley. The EAGS will solve the griz trapping defense and will win this one.
ClarkWGrizwald
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ewueagfan said:D3's don't count, only D2's. :lol:
Whitworth was an exhibition game and isnt reflected at all in UM's record.
Are you new to all this or something?
Wiley is a nice player. kinda sorry he was buried on Montana's bench and chose to transfer.