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College Basketball; Is It Sick?

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-college-basketball-ruined-20150318-column.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I borrowed the above article from the Griz forum. So, first, thanks Griz fans for making this available.

I've gotta admit that the author of this article makes some excellent points. He talks about how offense is being lost in the college game, which we all know, far too well, is happening. Teams are either drive and slash or obsessed with the three point line. Any sort of mid-range game is gone. There are some players who fully depend on getting to the foul line and that is it.

As for defense, I like good, solid, tough defense, which I feel has gotten better; however, by Recreating a mid-range game it could make a lot of the defenses being employed more susceptible to being broken, since most offenses are one or two dimensional. I do like the toughness of the college game, but I see the problems too.

One thing I definitely agree on is the ubiquitous number of timeouts. The NCAA has got to get rid of media timeouts. I feel those have really killed the game.

So...I think:

A. There are too many timeouts. Either cut back on the # of allowed team time outs or # of Media timeouts.
B. I also think halves should be longer. Instead of 20min halves, make them 25mins
C. Shorten the shot clock to 30 secs.
D. NCAA should mandate a number of OOC road games for all teams. You can only buy 25% of OOC games, have to play 25% road games and then home and neutral are counted even.
E. Finally, and perhaps most important the NCAA should centralize reffing and make all refs NCAA refs.
 
One of the biggest problems with college basketball is the terrible officiating. We all know how bad officiating is in the Big Sky, but even in the NCAA tournament, which is supposed to have the best refs from the entire country, officiating was bad. Not sure how you fix it, but it's a big problem, imo.

In regards to pace of game and lack of scoring, they've got to shorten the shot clock. 35 seconds is so antiquated.
 
Totally agree with the points made so far.

I would add another change that would open up the game and take the bad refs out of it a little bit. I would increase the area of 'No Charge', the arc under the basket, by about another 6'. What would have been a charge would then be a non call and what would have been a blocking call would not change. It would take a lot of the flopping out of the game. It would also encourage aggressive interior offense and take away some unseemly defensive tactics. :twocents:
 
Take away the charge call altogether. The only offensive fouls would be pushing off with your hands or arms, clearing out with your arms, moving screens and screening out of bounds. other than that, all fouls would be defensive and the refs would not make any call on what would have been a charge. It would be a huge advantage to the offense and it would eliminate 90% of the bonehead calls. We might learn to like refs a little better, the games would flow a lot better, it would encourage interior offense and it would result in higher scoring games. All plusses in my book.

If you make the shot clock 30 seconds, then take away the 5 second closely guarded rule. Most refs can't count to five anyway. put a 5 second clock on the out of bounds plays, with a horn, so that the refs don't get confused in counting to five. :coffee:
 
They took away the hands on defense a few years back. Maybe now it is time to take away the arm bar defense as well. It really is just another way of holding and trying to make up for poor foot positioning. Without being held, interior play would be enhance. While you're at it, Move the three point line out another 6 inches. It would open the game up a bit and change how zone defenses are deployed and attacked.

Zone defenses have been legal in the NBA for several years now, yet we don't see much of it. You have to ask yourself why. I think it is because they are largely ineffective, because they have too big of an area to guard. They get stretched out far enough to open up passing lanes and shooters left open can hit a high enough percentage of shots to make the zone extend. :coffee:
 
i was thinking just from the title this makes sense coming from LA considering how many points ucla scored in the wooden era and then i see wooden mentioned in the 3rd sentence. but did anyone even play defense in the 60s and 70s? was it really so great to watch every game to 100 like nba?

weber used to score high averages too back in the same time period. its probably a good part of how willie coudl pull down 14 rebounds over a 3 yr career with multple games over 25 boards. :rockon:

i see no reason to keep the shot clock at 35, no one else does that. but i do like the 2 20 min halves. anything to make any game faster is better. thats what is great about MLS, its over in 2 hrs every time. MLB might not even end in the same day.
 
Sir Velo said:
i was thinking just from the title this makes sense coming from LA considering how many points ucla scored in the wooden era and then i see wooden mentioned in the 3rd sentence. but did anyone even play defense in the 60s and 70s? was it really so great to watch every game to 100 like nba?

weber used to score high averages too back in the same time period. its probably a good part of how willie coudl pull down 14 rebounds over a 3 yr career with multple games over 25 boards. :rockon:

i see no reason to keep the shot clock at 35, no one else does that. but i do like the 2 20 min halves. anything to make any game faster is better. thats what is great about MLS, its over in 2 hrs every time. MLB might not even end in the same day.
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I agree with the shot clock. 35 secs is too long. Maybe with a shorter shot clock, there won't be any need to increase the time of halves. I personally, would like to see 25min halves because I think games are too short. But that is me. :rofl:. That is probably giant pipe dream. As for a shorter shot clock, that is definitely a reality. Also, I think there are too many timeouts. Either cut back on team allowed shot clocks or get rid of the media timeouts. The college game seems to have lost any sort of flow. It becomes a jumbled mess. Defense to me, has made the college game more fun to watch. I like a good defensive battle. Good defensive teams have excellent fundamentals, move well, and communicate exceptionally. Defense is fun to watch. I do think, especially Big Sky refs, that the NCAA needs to review what a CHARGE is. Far too often charging calls are called and the defensive player is out of position, moving, or in the restrictive zone. The Sky really needs to watch film on what is and what isn't a charge.
 
These are steps in the right direction. The article didn't say how much they proposed to extend the restricted area arc, but I hope it is significant. I'm in favor of taking away anything that might lead to a ref making a bonehead call and slowing the game down to give the fans a chance to boo them. I think that the arc should be the three point line. The only player control fouls within that arc would be a wipe away, hooking, a push, or a moving screen. Anything else would either be a blocking call or no call. They need to stop the practice of defenders sliding under driving players and then being rewarded by a weak ref with a charging call. Just my opinion. But then again, we wouldn't have that great footage of dancing Joe! :lol:
 
OK. I found out a little more on the proposed rule changes.

30 second shot clock. long over due, but great!

The arc would move out one foot from where it is now. Not as much as I would like, but progress.

Also the 5 second closely guarded rule would be abolished. I'm all in favor of that.

Coaches would not be allowed to call a timeout while the ball was in play. Also good.

If a time out was called to avoid a 10 second backcourt violation, the 10 second count would not reset. Progress, but it needs to be extended to 5 second inbound rule as well.

It will no longer be a technical foul to dunk in pre game warm ups.

Hanging on the rim will only be a one shot technical instead of two.

Media timeouts would be merged with team timeouts in the second half when a team timeout is called within 30 seconds of a scheduled media timeout, and team timeouts would be limited to 3 in the second half, instead of four as it is now. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
 
Wait until you see the rules changes they are proposing in the women's game: four 10-minute quarters, five fouls in a quarter before you get two-shot bonus; ball out in the front court after a timeout, etc. The women's game will much more resemble the NBA than the men's college game.http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women/article/2015-05-15/rules-committee-recommends-moving-womens-games-four-quarter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Back2WSU said:
oldrunner said:
It will no longer be a technical foul to dunk in pre game warm ups.
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...what? Really? That's been a rule?
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Yes, Idaho State got called for one last season against Montana and the Griz hit the T. The Bengals thus trailed for 40 minutes and one second.
 
Having had time to think on this for a while, I really think this will be good for men's basketball. It had grown a little stale and needed to catch up with the times. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.

There may be a few more tweaks in the future, but this is good for now. :thumb: :thumb:
 
Rule changes approved.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13037928/ncaa-announces-rule-changes-2015-16-including-30-second-shot-clock-fewer-outs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
SWeberCat02 said:
Rule changes approved.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13037928/ncaa-announces-rule-changes-2015-16-including-30-second-shot-clock-fewer-outs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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No legitimate zone offense+reduced time on shot clock=more turnovers. I'm a big fan of the coaching staff, but nobody has been able to solve a good zone defense. It's why we've been to the NIT twice and CIT instead of NCAA. So unless something changes this off season, all these rule changes mean is more turnovers.
 
30 seconds is plenty of time to beat a zone. In fact it may force us to make changes (a good thing) in how we have been approaching it. The extension of the charge arc will help in beating a zone. Athletic big men are going to be quite valuable in that regard. Also, having more and better three point shooters should help us when we are not able to penetrate. The 30 second clock is a non-factor, in my opinion. Turnovers should remain the same or get better. :coffee:
 
Slashers will be a lot more valuable, as less drives to the rim will result in offensive fouls. We have our fair share of those sorts of players. Chief among them are Senglin and Gittens. I feel that those two are going to have monster years. :thumb: :thumb:
 
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