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Death of the WAC / New Big Sky Conference?

EWURanger

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Not sure if everyone has been following the events in the WAC, but in case not, here is a short summary:

1. Boise State, Nevada, and Fresno State have all confirmed that they will depart the WAC and compete in the MWC. MWC seems to be positioning itself to form a 12-member conference. WAC now down to 6 football members.
2. After BYU initially suggested they would depart the MWC Conferece and go independant in football and play all other sports in the WAC, it now looks like they will remain in the MWC.
3. Rumours out of Hawaii suggest that they may go independant for football, and compete in all other sports in the WCC (Gonzaga, Santa Clara, Pepperdine, etc.) This would drop the WAC to 5 football members.
4. Other rumors suggest that with BYU staying in the MWC, Utah State could get another invite, bringing the MWC to 12 members. (They initially turned down a MWC invite before they knew Nevada and Fresno agreed to join.......so much for loyalty, eh?)

If #3 or #4 happen, the WAC is dead.

There have been rumors of Sac State, PSU, Montana, MSU, Cal-Poly, and Cal-Davis possibly making the jump. However, Montana seems to be only half-heartedly pursuing their "move-up" study, and MSU just confirmed that despite rumor, they have, in fact not been in contact with the WAC. These are probably the two programs that the WAC would want/need in order to survive.

Perhaps Portland State and Sac State haven't been showing their entire hands, but at this juncture I haven't seen anything that would suggest serious discussion to make the move within the time frame that would be required to save the WAC. Perhaps Cal-Poly or Davis are in discussion, although I have a hard time seeing how they would fund it with the state of California's economy.

All of this begs the question: What's going to happen to schools like Idaho, San Jose, New Mexico State, and LA Tech. If the MWC doesn't extend an invite to the remaining 4 WAC schools, they could all be in serious trouble. LA Tech could easily join the Sun Belt (there's already 2 LA schools in that conferece). Not sure what San Jose State would do, or NMSU....Sun Belt? Not really a good fit for San Jose State geographically.

How about Idaho? Seriously, if the WAC folds, and they find themselves with no home, what are they going to do? Sun Belt? They were a member before, but the travel costs associated with competing with the geographic locations of those schools would be astronomical. Would anyone in Moscow even be interested in watching the Vandals play LA-Lafayette and LA-Monroe.......Western Kentucky? Does this really make the most sense for them, both economically and regionally? Maybe Vandal folks would see it differently, but I would suggest that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But if the MWC doesn't extend them an invite, and they find themselves without a home......why not the Big Sky Conference, of which they were a founding member? Seriously, why wouldn't they want to re-new their old rivalries with Montana, MSU, Eastern, etc? Maybe many UI people would rather see their school drop football than drop "back down", but if all of the above happens, wouldn't this make the most sense for them.

Hell, if San Jose finds themselves in the same situation, I say we try to grab them as well.

Why wouldn't the BSC take advantage of the opportunity to solidify it's position in FCS in the western US? Adding San Jose State would give Sac an in-state rival and would generate more interest in their program. Add Davis and Cal-Poly out of the GWC, and you have 4 California Schools competing in the BSC.

A newly formed BSC could looks like this: I broke it down by potential travel partners.

*Denotes new conference member

"Pacific Davision"
Eastern Washington
Portland State
Sac State
*Cal-Davis
*Cal-Poly
*San Jose State
Northern Arizona

"Mountain Division"
Montana
Montana State
*Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
*Southern Utah
Northern Colorado

Probably a pipe dream, but no one has actually mentioned that the BSC and FSC could actually come out stronger through all of this conference re-alignment stuff.
 
Here's a discussion I found on the Vandal's message board. Doesn't seem like they're all totally against it.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=205&f=3864&t=6237013
 
I thought that Texas State And UTex San Ant and another Texas team were three teams the WAC wants 1st and any BSC teams are next on their list of possibles
 
First off, Cal Poly and Portland State are SO friggin far away from meeting the criteria for moving to FBS that it ain't even funny. Sac State and UC-Davis are closer, but still light years away. And not to mention, with the lone exception of Cal Poly, none of these schools has been successful in FCS.

The only school with realistic expectations would be Montana, but why move away from something that works to get into a conference that's falling apart?

The more likely scenario is one or two teams move down, but the bulk of the WAC merges with the Sun Belt. With BYU staying in the MWC and Boise, Nevada, and Fresno moving in, they will likely become part of a new "second tier" BCS- along with also-ran conferences like the Big East and ACC and the new 10-team Texas/Oklahoma and the eight stooges Big 12. The new Pac-12, SEC, and Big 10 (with 12 teams) will constitute an upper-tier of the BCS.
 
I think USU will be going to the MWC following BYU's official announcement that they're staying put. I also think Hawaii jets the WAC.

I agree that NMSU and LA tech are probably Sun Belt bound.

That still leaves SJSU and Idaho, though. Are these the two schools you think might consider dropping down? It seems like the Sun Belt would be a stretch for either geographically. Maybe they'll figure something out, but it sure doesn't look good for the WAC right now.
 
Idaho was in the Sun Belt before getting approached by the WAC... which was what they wanted all along so they could compete with Boise State.
 
True. But ever since both schools left the Big Sky, Boise State has been trying to distance itself from Idaho. If Idaho ends up going to the Sun Belt, looks like their positioning worked. I seriously don't understand how Idaho people can feel like their school has more in common with La-Lafayette or Western Kentucky than Montana, MSU, or even Eastern. Puzzling.

I also heard BYU may try and form a new Conference out of the ashed of the WAC, and is trying to persuade some MWC members to join. Although why anyone would want to leave a stable MWC for the WAC is beyond me. I think we'll know more by September 1st.
 
My "inside sources" (which aren't all that inside) tell me that BYU staying in the MWC or leaving were almost completely predicated on becoming a BCS school. The weak television contract the MWC was only a small irritation because BYU has gobs of church money and a national presence that is comparable to any other school on the West Coast outside of USC. Besides, it appears the MWC is going to expand their TV contratc considerably.

Therefore, with BYU deciding to ultimately stay put, it means the NCAA probably got involved and all but assured the MWC a BCS bid in the next two years. Based on recent results, and the piss-poor results of weak BCS conferences like the ACC and Big East, the Mountain West deserves the bid fair and square.
 

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