Are we really headed down the same old trail? I am all for competition and I think it's needed however this team needs stability and they need to know now who there QB is going to be...the players have already chosen their leader at QB and the coaches, just like the past three seasons are dragging it out causing lack of player focus, lack of faith, seperation between staff and players and diminished excitement!!! Winning teams have focus because they know and believe in their leader which enables them to believe in themselves and remain focused on their task. Losing teams have lack of focus because they do not have a leader and do not believe which enables doubt and failure, this was proven the last three seasons.These players are 180 degrees apart from the coaching staff wondering why Thompson is taking first team reps and not Cassel. The players simply do not beilive that Thompson is the better QB. This team cannot afford to lose focus, faith and excitement just one week into fall camp...For this teams success and continued positive development, it is priority one to select a starting QB now so that the players will be able to keep their excitement, regain their primary focus on themselves rather than worrying about who is going to lead their team on offense and wondering what the coaches are seeing that they aren't...Right or wrong, and before the players are fully deflated, a decision needs to be made for the benefit of the team or it's gunna be another season of hiding my Sac State shirt behind the bleachers.....This is the inside scoop for Deflate Gate 2017
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Deflate Gate 2017
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I am in complete agreement with the need for a concrete decision, especially at QB. Since the Safron era, these jokers have never firmly been behind any QB, and in fact have thrown them all under the bus, and darn near got them all killed. When Kniffen won the job in 2015, the support was lukewarm at best. Cassel missed the entire Spring after his transfer, so it was too late, although he had a decent Fall camp. Kniffen won the job because he was the best QB for the job at that time, period, but it was never fully promoted. When Cassel got his chance, he did not win, and was injured again. When Ketteringham put up impressive numbers to finish 2015, it appeared they had found their guy, but instead they never really fully committed. The 2016 season was just a joke for all the QB's. Behind the most pathetic Offensive Line known to man, and the two top receivers out for 75% of the season, and the inability to run the ball (until game 9 that is)... the brain trust played roulette with the QB's, and they all disintegrated. Cassel did get his shot (inherited an early lead at Weber) and could not generate a point. Lost again, and got hurt again. I too have heard the rumblings, but remember, Thomson is stepbrother #2's guy. Stepbrother #2 is the HC.
The bright side is hopefully if these clowns go 2-9 again it is adios to them.
Then we can hire a real HC and supportive staff.
I kinda want them to flop so that we get a new HC.
Any signs of life we only generate a new three year contract.
If you've followed Hornet football for as long as I have you'd understand that this is normal. No need to get all hysterical about it. Some things just never change, accept that and you will be fine.
Then we can hire a real HC and supportive staff.
I kinda want them to flop so that we get a new HC.
Any signs of life we only generate a new three year contract.
If you've followed Hornet football for as long as I have you'd understand that this is normal. No need to get all hysterical about it. Some things just never change, accept that and you will be fine.
HornetHope
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The program right now reminds me of a scene from The Help. The fans have been served the delicious pie and the coaches are serving it up.
Background facts on Cassel:
This is what the public doesn't know and why players see Cassel as their leader and best QB solution.
2015 spring: back rib fracture, re-fracture fall of 2015, practice and played through it.
2015 first start: No offensive points scored by opponent, still lost. 28-21. Played with back rib fracture.
2015 Mt. State: 10-14 3rd quarter: Drove 60 yards to goal line with 5th degree shoulder separation and back rib fracture. (Surgery)
2016 missed spring camp, shoulder pain, quarterzone shots and pain killers summer, fall and game time prep. Found 3" rotary cuff tear requiring surgery during fall camp. Delayed surgery, practiced and played through it up to the end of the Weber State game. Surgery late fall.
Clarification: Weber State game, Cortisone shots and pain killers prior to game: score 0-0 when Cassel went in 2nd quarter. drove the field for a score by running back. Pure adrenalin allowed success on first drive.....shoulder pain and inability to raise his arm to throw limiting his accuracy and throwing strenght after the first drive.
Cassel has left ALL on the field and is a true warrior, proving the act of selflessness to his team. So when you say "he has had his shot" he hasn't had the benefit of playing at 100% since his arrival and now at 90% he is outperforming the other quarterbacks however, and is now faced with the (Relative Factor of #2) and the players see that, causing frustration of lack of faith with the staff. Regardless of who is the #1 QB of choice, the selection of an offensive leader needs to be made now so the players can go into the next three weeks of camp knowing who that leader is so team support can be solidified, faith can grow with that leader and focus can be re-instated with all team members. This is your insider scoop and are the facts.
This is what the public doesn't know and why players see Cassel as their leader and best QB solution.
2015 spring: back rib fracture, re-fracture fall of 2015, practice and played through it.
2015 first start: No offensive points scored by opponent, still lost. 28-21. Played with back rib fracture.
2015 Mt. State: 10-14 3rd quarter: Drove 60 yards to goal line with 5th degree shoulder separation and back rib fracture. (Surgery)
2016 missed spring camp, shoulder pain, quarterzone shots and pain killers summer, fall and game time prep. Found 3" rotary cuff tear requiring surgery during fall camp. Delayed surgery, practiced and played through it up to the end of the Weber State game. Surgery late fall.
Clarification: Weber State game, Cortisone shots and pain killers prior to game: score 0-0 when Cassel went in 2nd quarter. drove the field for a score by running back. Pure adrenalin allowed success on first drive.....shoulder pain and inability to raise his arm to throw limiting his accuracy and throwing strenght after the first drive.
Cassel has left ALL on the field and is a true warrior, proving the act of selflessness to his team. So when you say "he has had his shot" he hasn't had the benefit of playing at 100% since his arrival and now at 90% he is outperforming the other quarterbacks however, and is now faced with the (Relative Factor of #2) and the players see that, causing frustration of lack of faith with the staff. Regardless of who is the #1 QB of choice, the selection of an offensive leader needs to be made now so the players can go into the next three weeks of camp knowing who that leader is so team support can be solidified, faith can grow with that leader and focus can be re-instated with all team members. This is your insider scoop and are the facts.
Agree with you 99%, Cassel is a tough kid, and is much more seasoned than the rest of the roster. And I do understand he has more of the team behind him. But there are forces in that building ... and for accuracy, at the start of the 2nd quarter, Weber fumbled a punt at their own 9. Warren took handoff for a 9 yd TD. Cassel entered the game on the next possession. Check the Box Score / Play by Play.
Joe Football
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Angus McClure.
Joe Football
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If5u4Vmk1kg
Oldhornet23
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Why would you want the staff to flop? If they had a really good season like playoffs, you wouldn't believe that they are good coaches?
Also with Cassell being starter or Thomson? How could you know they are 5 practices in, New OC/QB coach and Cassell was out all spring. None of these conversations make sense
Also with Cassell being starter or Thomson? How could you know they are 5 practices in, New OC/QB coach and Cassell was out all spring. None of these conversations make sense
Oldhornet23 said:
Because the current HC hasnt proven they can recruit, assemble and produce a winning season. Consecutive blow-outs by UCD and games where we should have won but inability of organization or leadership lead to another Suck State loss. Last nationally in overall defense, low offensive production.
First season was using Sperbeck players and majority staff. Consecutive 2-9 seasons.
The history of the school is to take the lazy way out, find the closest body and give them a 5 year contract. As a fan, I am tired of this mentality. Too many national coaches who come in and win consecutively at other schools with far less resources for me to put up with this performance.
Should I continue?
If they have a really good season, my opinion might change, but I dont have much high hope of it changing. Does a 4-7 record warrant another 3 years? It is improvement and this is how the admin's think.They wont make the playoffs, too many other teams with consecutive 6-5, 7-4 seasons get the nod.
Having the highest budget in the Big Sky should produce winning, consecutive seasons. No excuses.
Hornet Fever
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It truly does not matter who is the starting quarterback. If our defense shows up like it did last year I'm sure will see plenty of blowouts and it will give everyone an opportunity to play. The best part about this situation is that it gets me back out to the parking lot earlier to have a few more beers and talk about our next football coach..
Oldhornet23
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Green Cookie Monster said:
But if they did do well, he would prove that he can do all those things. I refuse to root against a program that I love. If a 2-9 4-7 or even 5-6 is in our near future I am ready to go in a new direction, but if a 7-4 playoff year and if they go 7-4 that will go to the playoffs because that will be 7 D-1 wins with no small schools on schedule, I will happily bring back this staff for doing something no one has ever done with this program, ever
GCM we have a new sheriff in town, even you should realize that. If it was same-ole same-ole in the admin then Nelsen would have stuck with the long time staffer even after it was obvious that the department began to flounder under his leadership. Instead Nelsen makes a move to get Macriss out of the way and conducted a national search to bring in Orr, who is a proven D1 AD.
Orr knows he can't stick with clueless Sears and Co unless some magical season happens...and we all know that ain't happening with this roster. Who in their right mind would take Orr and this department seriously if he gives Sears a contract extension?
So until then, sit back and enjoy another losing season and wait for Orr to right the ship (hopefully by Xmas).
Orr knows he can't stick with clueless Sears and Co unless some magical season happens...and we all know that ain't happening with this roster. Who in their right mind would take Orr and this department seriously if he gives Sears a contract extension?
So until then, sit back and enjoy another losing season and wait for Orr to right the ship (hopefully by Xmas).
Oldhornet23 said:
If's, when's, but's and coconuts.
They wont make the playoffs. Committee rewards programs that are consistent.
The BSC will have one bid for conference champ, runner-up and one at-large.
CP, S. Utah, NAU regularly have 6-5, 7-4 seasons and they would be chosen over a Cinderella Hornet season.
SDHornet-show me the money! I'd like to think this is true, but being the jaded wet towel that I am, I will hold judgement on what actuallytranspires.
I'd like to hope Nelson/Orr are different than Gonzo/Winless who promised a new arena and renovated stadium in 2004. That is 14 years livin' on a wing and a prayer.
Oldhornet23
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Green Cookie Monster said:
6-5 has never made the playoffs ever! You need 7 D1 wins to qualify. 7 and you will likely get in. Every game counts this year.
superhornet
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Oldhornet23 said:
This is NOT true.
Six D-I wins has ALWAYS been the legal minimum. Seven was always the ASSUMED minimum, right up until 2013, when the field expanded to 24. It's actually happened TWICE. Competition was too good for a six-win outlier to get in since then, up until 2015.
Just last season, 6-5 Illinois State got an at-large. What made the difference? Probably the following:
1. ISU is in the MVFC, one of three FCS power conferences (the others being the BSC and the CAA).
2. A nail-biter FBS win over Big Ten foe Northwestern.
3. A win over #12 Western Illinois.
4. A close loss to #1 North Dakota State.
Eliminate any of those, and ISU likely goes home. It didn't matter, though. ISU went on to lose in the first round to #14 Central Arkansas. They DID make a game of it, though, losing only 31-24.
In 2015, Western Illinois squeaked in at 6-5. I'm not really sure why, as THEIR FBS game was a 44-0 blowout loss to Illinios. Perhaps it was their late-season win over #5 South Dakota State in 2OT.
WIU actually made something of their anomalous playoff appearance, as they took out Dayton 24-7 in the first round, before bowing out at #4 Illinois State 36-19 in the second round.
Oldhornet23
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It would only be if someone does not have 7 D1 wins. Teams win 7 Games a lot, but sometimes not D1 gamesSuper Hornet said:
