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E. Washington Coaches Contract Not Renewed
- Thread starter EarleHornet
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Word on the Eastern board is that he lost his players. He always seemed to channel what he learned from being on Joe Cravens staff at Weber. I always that it was a weird hire for Eastern. Oh well...
williestarbuck
Active member
2008-09
Earlywine Katz
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
12-18 6-10 2-27 1-15
2009-20
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
9-21 5-11 9-21 3-13
2010-11
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
10-20 7-9 7-21 4-12
Earlywine Total
31-59 Overall
18-30 Big Sky
Katz Total
18-69 Overall
8-40 Big Sky
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but is Katz in trouble? Earlywine was let go after his team made the conference tournament. Katz would need 13 total wins next year and 10 wins in the BSC just to match Earlywine's 4 year total. I'm not familiar with Katz' contract but I would imagine he would have gotten a 4 or 5 year deal. With 3 of the top 4 scoring leaders returning we weren't able to generate much offense consistently. Now with only 1 returning next year, Katz would really need some success on the recruiting trail to make any kind of gains from last year.
Earlywine Katz
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
12-18 6-10 2-27 1-15
2009-20
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
9-21 5-11 9-21 3-13
2010-11
Overall Big Sky Overall Big Sky
10-20 7-9 7-21 4-12
Earlywine Total
31-59 Overall
18-30 Big Sky
Katz Total
18-69 Overall
8-40 Big Sky
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but is Katz in trouble? Earlywine was let go after his team made the conference tournament. Katz would need 13 total wins next year and 10 wins in the BSC just to match Earlywine's 4 year total. I'm not familiar with Katz' contract but I would imagine he would have gotten a 4 or 5 year deal. With 3 of the top 4 scoring leaders returning we weren't able to generate much offense consistently. Now with only 1 returning next year, Katz would really need some success on the recruiting trail to make any kind of gains from last year.
williestarbuck
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Actually, Katz would need those wins to do in 4 years what Earlywine's done in the last 3. Ouch.
It is apples to apples. Some on the EWU board were saying Earlywine took over when their program was in terrible shape just like Katz took over a terrible Hornet program. The difference is Earlywine was able to recruit playmakers and scorers, Katz has not. The other difference is EWU isn’t afraid to make a cut when they feel they are not happy with the direction of the program. Sac State on the other hand issues a 5 year contract extension. Next season will be Katz 4th season and significant progress will need to be seen to justify the contract extension.
Earlywine also had a DUI on his record while there. Katz doesn't. I'm sure that didnt help his character cause either.
EarleHornet
Active member
The Earlywine contract was over, it was not renewed. Katz has four more years on his contract. The Administration is not going to fire Katz and hire someone else. They are NOT going to be obligated to pay two Coaches. Wins are huge but, there are other factors that go into it. How the Coach represents the University, graduation rate, (100% for Katz), etc... I guess we can complain all we want but, the bottom line is Katz isn't going to be fired. I'm fine with that. I believe we'll see more and more improvement over the next year or two.
Let’s not kid ourselves here SHA. Character has almost nothing to do with why coaches are fired. Sure character is a nice cop out when a program starts to struggle and a HC change is needed, but let’s gets real here. A single DUI didn’t cost Earlywine his job, the lack of results on the court cost him his job. Earle is right, he wasn’t fired, his contract wasn’t renewed but either way he is still out of a job (for now at least). It would have been renewed had EWU won 4 or 5 more games this season regardless of the DUI.
Bruce Pearl, John Callipari, Jim Tressel, and countless others are enough evidence anyone needs to know that major college athletics is not about character but about wins and losses and the potential revenue universities can see due to success on the field/court. Character takes a back seat to wins and revenue in major college athletics and that goes for both athletes and head coaches.
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Bruce Pearl, John Callipari, Jim Tressel, and countless others are enough evidence anyone needs to know that major college athletics is not about character but about wins and losses and the potential revenue universities can see due to success on the field/court. Character takes a back seat to wins and revenue in major college athletics and that goes for both athletes and head coaches.
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superhornet
Active member
SDHornet said:
Then explain George O'Leary.
I think review should be based on:
1. W/L on court/field
2. Graduation rates
3. Character of players-stay out of legal trouble
4. Revenue generated for program (fund raising)
5. Character of coach
Look at Charlie Sheen, his bosses overlooked many, many character transgressions by the 'winner' because he brought CBS, WB and others billions of $$, he finally ran out of rope. What a moron, $43M a year in salary and he pissed it away. :hijack:
1. W/L on court/field
2. Graduation rates
3. Character of players-stay out of legal trouble
4. Revenue generated for program (fund raising)
5. Character of coach
Look at Charlie Sheen, his bosses overlooked many, many character transgressions by the 'winner' because he brought CBS, WB and others billions of $$, he finally ran out of rope. What a moron, $43M a year in salary and he pissed it away. :hijack:
williestarbuck
Active member
No one's complaining EH, at least not on this post string. Just making an observation. But I don't see us improving in one to two years unless you qualify "Improvement". Absent a strong recruiting class, I'm just not encouraged.
We know Weber St, NAU, and Montana are gonna be strong, but I think the remainder of the conference will be pretty average. If I'm right, that's good news for us. But we have too many holes to patch to take advantage of it. No depth, no ball handling and no scoring. We have no proven point guard and no team passing ability. I don't see any post or perimeter offense on the roster. Jackson and Dickson mid-range slashers, Hoffman and Carbajal perimeter if they improve. Only 5 guys returning have logged minutes plus Veteto.
Interesting to see if Northern Colorado reload or go flat. They lose 4 starting seniors and the cupboard is bare.
The 18 member All Conference Team is made up of 10 Seniors, but only 3 of the 6 are from the 1st Team. Most are from the Honorable Mention Team, 5 of 7. Guys like Beitzel, Qvale and Jones are gone but 6 of the 11 spots from the 1st and 2nd Team are made up of non seniors, and 4 are underclassmen! That has to be good news for the conference.
By the way, of course we want Katz to succeed, but 100% grad rate and and 7 wins is not that impressive.
We know Weber St, NAU, and Montana are gonna be strong, but I think the remainder of the conference will be pretty average. If I'm right, that's good news for us. But we have too many holes to patch to take advantage of it. No depth, no ball handling and no scoring. We have no proven point guard and no team passing ability. I don't see any post or perimeter offense on the roster. Jackson and Dickson mid-range slashers, Hoffman and Carbajal perimeter if they improve. Only 5 guys returning have logged minutes plus Veteto.
Interesting to see if Northern Colorado reload or go flat. They lose 4 starting seniors and the cupboard is bare.
The 18 member All Conference Team is made up of 10 Seniors, but only 3 of the 6 are from the 1st Team. Most are from the Honorable Mention Team, 5 of 7. Guys like Beitzel, Qvale and Jones are gone but 6 of the 11 spots from the 1st and 2nd Team are made up of non seniors, and 4 are underclassmen! That has to be good news for the conference.
By the way, of course we want Katz to succeed, but 100% grad rate and and 7 wins is not that impressive.
EarleHornet
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Agree about Weber and Montana being strong next year. But I think it's even more wide open than that.
NAU is losing 3 of their 4 top scorers.
Mont. St. loses 3 of their top 4.
Idaho St. loses 3 of their top 4.
You already mentioned No. Colorado, and E. Wash. will probably be a mess with Earlywine not around and the rumors of some of his players looking to transfer.
As far as improvement, I'm expecting everybody coming back to improve in the off-season, have this year under their belt for experience, (Carbajal, Jackson, Hoffman, Alpha, Dickson a second year), I know Groom and Rak didn't play much this season but I've got to believe practicing everyday against the other guys has helped them to improve their games. The shooter from DVC that has verbally committed, (Estrada), should help with perimeter scoring. Carbajal will be a more consistent shooter next year.
Katz has to bring a point that can play right away. Groom can help with that and Carbajal can handle it a little. He should probably bring in another shooter like Estrada. I know Dickson is not as tall as we'd like him to be but he's a post player for us along with Alpha and Veteto is a horse inside. Hopefully, McCarver can improve and help out also.
With the state of the conference losing a lot of good seniors, I'm expecting a minimum of 15 wins next year. I figure a few of you will think I'm nuts but, I think/hope it's going to get better.
NAU is losing 3 of their 4 top scorers.
Mont. St. loses 3 of their top 4.
Idaho St. loses 3 of their top 4.
You already mentioned No. Colorado, and E. Wash. will probably be a mess with Earlywine not around and the rumors of some of his players looking to transfer.
As far as improvement, I'm expecting everybody coming back to improve in the off-season, have this year under their belt for experience, (Carbajal, Jackson, Hoffman, Alpha, Dickson a second year), I know Groom and Rak didn't play much this season but I've got to believe practicing everyday against the other guys has helped them to improve their games. The shooter from DVC that has verbally committed, (Estrada), should help with perimeter scoring. Carbajal will be a more consistent shooter next year.
Katz has to bring a point that can play right away. Groom can help with that and Carbajal can handle it a little. He should probably bring in another shooter like Estrada. I know Dickson is not as tall as we'd like him to be but he's a post player for us along with Alpha and Veteto is a horse inside. Hopefully, McCarver can improve and help out also.
With the state of the conference losing a lot of good seniors, I'm expecting a minimum of 15 wins next year. I figure a few of you will think I'm nuts but, I think/hope it's going to get better.
