Seattle Eagle said:This is both infuriating and incredibly disappointing at the same time.
KJEagle said:Innocent until proven guilty, BUT. It doesn't look good.
56n92 said:Just for the sake of argument, let’s say they were defending themselves and they did no wrong. If they were right, why did they run? Did they not think shots fired in the late night hours after a big party would go unnoticed? If they were right, wouldn’t they call the police to report it and clear their names immediately? And how could they possibly not know someone got shot and ran over? Wouldn’t an innocent person offer aid to the victim?
The self-defense argument doesn’t go far with me because even if they were defending themselves, they fell way short of being decent human beings. The reality of it is that they are guilty of probably many crimes, maybe not murder, but that’s probably only because there wasn’t an unlucky backstop in their firing range.
Now let’s pretend no shots were fired. They are still thugs packing heat at a party. Guns and booze are never a good mix and every responsible firearm owner knows that (key word is “responsible”). There is zero margin for error. Again, in this much less tragic scenario, they fell way short of being decent human beings.
I am a supporter of the Second Amendment but I am not a supporter of abusing that right, which they did when they decided it would be a good idea to bring a gun to a party. So even if no shots were fired, bringing a gun to a party or going with someone that has a gun would still be grounds enough for me to dismiss a kid from the team without any further consideration.
Of course the football team gets a black eye for this but that is totally insignificant compared to the senseless loss of life and suffering that family is going through. I can’t even imagine what that must be like.
There is a life lesson in this tragedy and I sincerely hope the coaching staff makes a point to teach it to those young men. Being on a college football team is much more than what we see on the field and in the scoreboard of life, Jamison lost in the first quarter.
56n92 said:Just for the sake of argument, let’s say they were defending themselves and they did no wrong. If they were right, why did they run? Did they not think shots fired in the late night hours after a big party would go unnoticed? If they were right, wouldn’t they call the police to report it and clear their names immediately? And how could they possibly not know someone got shot and ran over? Wouldn’t an innocent person offer aid to the victim?
The self-defense argument doesn’t go far with me because even if they were defending themselves, they fell way short of being decent human beings. The reality of it is that they are guilty of probably many crimes, maybe not murder, but that’s probably only because there wasn’t an unlucky backstop in their firing range.
Now let’s pretend no shots were fired. They are still thugs packing heat at a party. Guns and booze are never a good mix and every responsible firearm owner knows that (key word is “responsible”). There is zero margin for error. Again, in this much less tragic scenario, they fell way short of being decent human beings.
I am a supporter of the Second Amendment but I am not a supporter of abusing that right, which they did when they decided it would be a good idea to bring a gun to a party. So even if no shots were fired, bringing a gun to a party or going with someone that has a gun would still be grounds enough for me to dismiss a kid from the team without any further consideration.
Of course the football team gets a black eye for this but that is totally insignificant compared to the senseless loss of life and suffering that family is going through. I can’t even imagine what that must be like.
There is a life lesson in this tragedy and I sincerely hope the coaching staff makes a point to teach it to those young men. Being on a college football team is much more than what we see on the field and in the scoreboard of life, Jamison lost in the first quarter.