Expectations

[RunnerJoe]

So we are in Year 2 of the Hill era and things haven't been as smooth as some of us would have thought. My thoughts have recently turned to what expectations or standards AD Bovee set for Hill and the Wildcats before the season. Part of progressing and getting is better is reaching and exceeding the goals set for us.
Any one have any thoughts on what the goals might have been and what Bovee might have to see to call the season a failure or success?

 

[WSUWildcat]

So we are in Year 2 of the Hill era and things haven't been as smooth as some of us would have thought. My thoughts have recently turned to what expectations or standards AD Bovee set for Hill and the Wildcats before the season. Part of progressing and getting is better is reaching and exceeding the goals set for us.
Any one have any thoughts on what the goals might have been and what Bovee might have to see to call the season a failure or success?

I think it is about showing some leadership. Make tough decisions. Hold people accountable.

Bench Clark and/or fire Clark. Show some ability to adapt and coach on both sides of the ball.

If Jay Hill doesn't work out, maybe Bovee should move on as well.

 

[SWeberCat02]

So we are in Year 2 of the Hill era and things haven't been as smooth as some of us would have thought. My thoughts have recently turned to what expectations or standards AD Bovee set for Hill and the Wildcats before the season. Part of progressing and getting is better is reaching and exceeding the goals set for us.
Any one have any thoughts on what the goals might have been and what Bovee might have to see to call the season a failure or success?

I think it is about showing some leadership. Make tough decisions. Hold people accountable.

Bench Clark and/or fire Clark. Show some ability to adapt and coach on both sides of the ball.

If Jay Hill doesn't work out, maybe Bovee should move on as well.

Those are good expectations, but unfortunately they aren't Bovee's. The culture that's developed under Bovee's leadership is one of very low or no expectations, especially for head coaches. One only has to look at the women's basketball HC, the sound system at football games, the marketing department, and the wildcat club to see this. The motto at Weber is "just do enough to get by." I'm afraid this may be the beginning of the end for Jay Hill. He is losing the support of the fans quickly. I'd be very surprised if there is more than 5K fans at the next home game. And yes, Bovee should be shown the door as well if it doesn't work out. That would be three hires that didn't work out. But this being Weber State, that probably wouldn't happen.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I've made it known in the past that I am a fan of both Hill and Bovee. I consider Jerry to be a friend and a man of high integrity and character, and I think the same about Hill. The biggest achievements in the Bovee years has been the improvement of facilities, athlete graduation rates, and maintaining a high APR across the board for all programs. To me, as an educator, I feel that graduating your athletes is one of the most important things that can be accomplished by the department and I feel Bovee has done that very well. Also, our facilities has gone through some serious upgrades (or are in the process of being upgraded), there are master plans in place for additional improvements or facilities, and we are righting the ship on a number of other fronts. Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis, Men's Golf, WCC, softball are all doing quite well, and Bovee has been able to keep Randy Rahe here at Weber. I know there are Randy haters out there, but lets face it, he is the best coach in the Sky and I am extremely grateful he is here.

However, Cat02 makes excellent points. Under Bovee a lot of areas have "bumped" along. Marketing is an absolute joke. Student attendance is at an all time low under his watch, and yes, I do agree with him, is it really his job? No...but those students are future donors, supporters, members of athletic clubs (Round Ball, Grid Iron, and The Wildcat Club), season ticket holders, and will have families of their own who will hopefully bring their kids to games, who in turn will become Wildcat fans and attend the university. Making Men's Basketball and Football games into events not to missed should be the goal of the Marketing Director. His goal is to do enough the night before the game to not get fired. Hand out some more freebies!! Let's not build our product or anything, and be sure to have inflatables at inept and poorly planned/executed tailgates!! Lets keep the guy whose idea of excellence is a dirty toilet. As for the WC...he inherited the director and she keeps her job because of her brother who is a major donor. Guess what sports fans...luncheons use to be every week, now there are just 4 for the entire year! I'm all for keeping her and letting her plan specific events, but a lot more could be done. She is an outstanding person. One of the kindest people on campus, but PLANNING is not a forte of athletics. Doing something on the fly, at the last min, is the biggest issue with Bovee. He needs to get more from those who work for him. He can't do everything. A sign of a great leader is having great advisors and inspired employees.

There are a lot of areas that Bovee has absolutely excelled. I think he is a good AD. Can improvements be made? ABSOLUTELY!! But, overall, I feel the ship is being piloted by the right captain. However, if the Jay Hill hire doesn't work out (which I think it will). He might be in some serious trouble. As for Beth-Ann, this is her last chance. I can't believe she is here for another year. Bovee must see something. She has far more resources, better facilities, and administration support than any of the other programs in the Sky. If she doesn't win 15-20 this season. SHE NEEDS TO BE SHOWN THE DOOR. I can't believe she is still here?! :dunce:

 

[n.ogdencat]

Sorry Runner Joe, I didn't answer your question...

This season for football? Win the games you should win (SAC, UNCO, UC Davis, and ISU), be competitive at home against UND and hopefully pull off a W. Show up on the road and put a scare into the teams that should beat the Cats (Montana, NAU, and Eastern). I think SUU will end up being a playoff team (I hope this doesn't come back to burn me.). They have great senior/upper-classmen leadership and an excellent head coach. I'm afraid, Saturday's game is going to hurt, but I feel if the Cats can be competitive and keep the score relatively close, if they can, I think, that is something to build on for the remainder of the season. We desperately need more offensive production. Terrible play calling and awful on-field leadership. Those things need to be corrected immediately. If you don't have good WRs. Put someone else in. If the RBs aren't cutting it, give someone else a chance, if you aren't getting good push from a member of the OL, there are other players.

 

[WSUWildcat]

Under Bovee a lot of areas have "bumped" along. Marketing is an absolute joke. Student attendance is at an all time low under his watch, and yes, I do agree with him, is it really his job? No...but those students are future donors, supporters, members of athletic clubs (Round Ball, Grid Iron, and The Wildcat Club), season ticket holders, and will have families of their own who will hopefully bring their kids to games, who in turn will become Wildcat fans and attend the university. Making Men's Basketball and Football games into events not to missed should be the goal of the Marketing Director. His goal is to do enough the night before the game to not get fired. Hand out some more freebies!! Let's not build our product or anything, and be sure to have inflatables at inept and poorly planned/executed tailgates!! Lets keep the guy whose idea of excellence is a dirty toilet. As for the WC...he inherited the director and she keeps her job because of her brother who is a major donor. Guess what sports fans...luncheons use to be every week, now there are just 4 for the entire year! I'm all for keeping her and letting her plan specific events, but a lot more could be done. She is an outstanding person. One of the kindest people on campus, but PLANNING is not a forte of athletics. Doing something on the fly, at the last min, is the biggest issue with Bovee. He needs to get more from those who work for him. He can't do everything. A sign of a great leader is having great advisors and inspired employees.

I believe Bovee is a nice guy. Every time we have interacted, he has been a good ambassador for the school and was extremely polite and gregarious He would probably make a good number two. Just not sure he is a leader.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the leadership has been bad from the AD for several years. I have been a faithful supporter since the 80s. But it gets harder and harder to feel good about the programs.

I will grant there has been an improvement in facilities. But I also believe he has set the culture of just be good enough. Pretty low standards. Some areas like facilities have improved. I don't believe any area has been stellar.

Grad rates are now at acceptable levels. But those should be minimum expectations. Pretty low standard.

Marketing is just above non-existant. Pretty low standard.

Communications are abysmal. Pretty low standard.

Attendance reflects more than the poor performance of the team. If tickets were not given away by the truckload, there would be nobody there. And even then, it is sparsely attended.

I don't see Weber as a dumpster fire, I think Jay Hill might be the right guy, but my confidence wanes. It isn't about wins. It is about hope and progress.

 

[AlumniWSU]

Under Bovee a lot of areas have "bumped" along. Marketing is an absolute joke. Student attendance is at an all time low under his watch, and yes, I do agree with him, is it really his job? No...but those students are future donors, supporters, members of athletic clubs (Round Ball, Grid Iron, and The Wildcat Club), season ticket holders, and will have families of their own who will hopefully bring their kids to games, who in turn will become Wildcat fans and attend the university. Making Men's Basketball and Football games into events not to missed should be the goal of the Marketing Director. His goal is to do enough the night before the game to not get fired. Hand out some more freebies!! Let's not build our product or anything, and be sure to have inflatables at inept and poorly planned/executed tailgates!! Lets keep the guy whose idea of excellence is a dirty toilet. As for the WC...he inherited the director and she keeps her job because of her brother who is a major donor. Guess what sports fans...luncheons use to be every week, now there are just 4 for the entire year! I'm all for keeping her and letting her plan specific events, but a lot more could be done. She is an outstanding person. One of the kindest people on campus, but PLANNING is not a forte of athletics. Doing something on the fly, at the last min, is the biggest issue with Bovee. He needs to get more from those who work for him. He can't do everything. A sign of a great leader is having great advisors and inspired employees.

I believe Bovee is a nice guy. Every time we have interacted, he has been a good ambassador for the school and was extremely polite and gregarious He would probably make a good number two. Just not sure he is a leader.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the leadership has been bad from the AD for several years. I have been a faithful supporter since the 80s. But it gets harder and harder to feel good about the programs.

I will grant there has been an improvement in facilities. But I also believe he has set the culture of just be good enough. Pretty low standards. Some areas like facilities have improved. I don't believe any area has been stellar.

Grad rates are now at acceptable levels. But those should be minimum expectations. Pretty low standard.

Marketing is just above non-existant. Pretty low standard.

Communications are abysmal. Pretty low standard.

Attendance reflects more than the poor performance of the team. If tickets were not given away by the truckload, there would be nobody there. And even then, it is sparsely attended.

I don't see Weber as a dumpster fire, I think Jay Hill might be the right guy, but my confidence wanes. It isn't about wins. It is about hope and progress.

:+1: I couldn't have put it any better, 'WSUWildcat'

 

[talhadfoursteals]

Under Bovee a lot of areas have "bumped" along. Marketing is an absolute joke. Student attendance is at an all time low under his watch, and yes, I do agree with him, is it really his job? No...but those students are future donors, supporters, members of athletic clubs (Round Ball, Grid Iron, and The Wildcat Club), season ticket holders, and will have families of their own who will hopefully bring their kids to games, who in turn will become Wildcat fans and attend the university. Making Men's Basketball and Football games into events not to missed should be the goal of the Marketing Director. His goal is to do enough the night before the game to not get fired. Hand out some more freebies!! Let's not build our product or anything, and be sure to have inflatables at inept and poorly planned/executed tailgates!! Lets keep the guy whose idea of excellence is a dirty toilet. As for the WC...he inherited the director and she keeps her job because of her brother who is a major donor. Guess what sports fans...luncheons use to be every week, now there are just 4 for the entire year! I'm all for keeping her and letting her plan specific events, but a lot more could be done. She is an outstanding person. One of the kindest people on campus, but PLANNING is not a forte of athletics. Doing something on the fly, at the last min, is the biggest issue with Bovee. He needs to get more from those who work for him. He can't do everything. A sign of a great leader is having great advisors and inspired employees.

I believe Bovee is a nice guy. Every time we have interacted, he has been a good ambassador for the school and was extremely polite and gregarious He would probably make a good number two. Just not sure he is a leader.

We will have to agree to disagree. I think the leadership has been bad from the AD for several years. I have been a faithful supporter since the 80s. But it gets harder and harder to feel good about the programs.

I will grant there has been an improvement in facilities. But I also believe he has set the culture of just be good enough. Pretty low standards. Some areas like facilities have improved. I don't believe any area has been stellar.

Grad rates are now at acceptable levels. But those should be minimum expectations. Pretty low standard.

Marketing is just above non-existant. Pretty low standard.

Communications are abysmal. Pretty low standard.

Attendance reflects more than the poor performance of the team. If tickets were not given away by the truckload, there would be nobody there. And even then, it is sparsely attended.

I don't see Weber as a dumpster fire, I think Jay Hill might be the right guy, but my confidence wanes. It isn't about wins. It is about hope and progress.

:+1: I couldn't have put it any better, 'WSUWildcat'

This! :thumb: Excellent!

 

[SWeberCat02]

Tal, I agree that the facilities have improved under Bovee. I'm grateful for that. But my problem is that the success of the programs has not improved as the facilities have. Nice facilities are great, but if they don't help improve the programs, then what's the point? And as for Rahe being the best coach in the conference, that's debatable in my opinion. Look at what he has to work with at Weber. What Weber has in tradition, facilities, money, and community support is head and shoulders above anything anyone else in the conference has. There are other coaches in the conference that do as much or more with much less.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Tal, I agree that the facilities have improved under Bovee. I'm grateful for that. But my problem is that the success of the programs has not improved as the facilities have. Nice facilities are great, but if they don't help improve the programs, then what's the point? And as for Rahe being the best coach in the conference, that's debatable in my opinion. Look at what he has to work with at Weber. What Weber has in tradition, facilities, money, and community support is head and shoulders above anything anyone else in the conference has. There are other coaches in the conference that do as much or more with much less.

100% :agree:

...I think Jay Hill might be the right guy, but my confidence wanes. It isn't about wins. It is about hope and progress.

Your entire post is spot on but this part rings especially true. It's not about the wins, being a long time Weber FB supporter clearly says that. It's about seeing change and hoping that change will bring about an entertaining and quality product. I can endure losses if Weber is being outplayed by a better opponent but I can't endure the program regressing to an even more embarrassing state. That's what the SUU game was, a complete and total embarrassment. The level of incompetence on the offensive side of the ball I have never seen before. I worry that two glaring problems aren't even being acknowledged by Hill.

My expectations aren't "winning the games we're 'supposed' to win and being competitive against teams as good as or better than us," that's "just enough." My expectations are seeing competent coaches teach and guide players to perform at the best of their ability. If that happens they will be competent and competitive more often than not. My expectation is to have the support of the administration, students and fans to create a fun environment. My expectation is to have a coach with a fire in him, one who can see failure and not ignore it or back away from it, rather, own it, learn from it and fix it. My expectation is to be entertained by those who truly enjoy presenting a quality product, and coaches and players who have a passion for the game and an ability to compete. In short, my expectations are watching football games that make me want to watch more, win or lose.

 

[Born2BleedPurpleGuy]

My expectations for the second half of the season is: 2....maybe 2 more wins. That's an improvement isn't it? If we can improve by 2 games per year, we can be a 10 win team in only 3 more years. :stir:

 

[AlumniWSU]

My expectations for the second half of the season is: 2....maybe 2 more wins. That's an improvement isn't it? If we can improve by 2 games per year, we can be a 10 win team in only 3 more years. :stir:

:thumb: right on !

 

[Born2BleedPurpleGuy]

I'm not changing my expectations. If we happen to exceed expectations (like today) we will be a 10 win team in LESS than 3 years. ROCK ON WILDCATS!