This has to be discussed. Rahe needs to either be fired, resign, or accept another positions else were. Has Rahe already excepted a position else where? I sure hope so. How disgusting was this season and in particular today? This game was gross, discussing, humiliating, ugly, and pathetic. Is this really what are to expect year in and year out?
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Fire Rahe part III
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Potomac Griz1
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Kevin Stallings is available.
Seriously though, you guys have a good coach in Rahe who has had a lot of success. Do you really fire a coach after 3 straight 20 win seasons who almost always has you right up at (or near) the top of the Big Sky? Two NCAA appearances in your past 5 years isn't too shabby either.
Fire a guy like that and you'll likely make it more difficult to find another quality coach. Who would want to go coach for a team that fires you after success like that?
Yeah, that UNC beat-down was a pretty brutal way to end the season (as is losing 4 of your last 5), but shit happens. I think it'd be a mistake for Weber to fire Rahe or coax him to resign. Could you do better? Probably, but you could also do a LOT worse and that takes a long time to recover from (see MSU).
Seriously though, you guys have a good coach in Rahe who has had a lot of success. Do you really fire a coach after 3 straight 20 win seasons who almost always has you right up at (or near) the top of the Big Sky? Two NCAA appearances in your past 5 years isn't too shabby either.
Fire a guy like that and you'll likely make it more difficult to find another quality coach. Who would want to go coach for a team that fires you after success like that?
Yeah, that UNC beat-down was a pretty brutal way to end the season (as is losing 4 of your last 5), but shit happens. I think it'd be a mistake for Weber to fire Rahe or coax him to resign. Could you do better? Probably, but you could also do a LOT worse and that takes a long time to recover from (see MSU).
Potomac Griz said:
Hopefully hire somebody that is willing to do better and achieve more than Rahe. He is terrible at X's and O's. You should know that. As long as Rahe is here, we cant compete with local schools and the upper half of the BSC. Rahe finished 4th in "league" and lost in the quarterfinals this year. Thats gross. We keep Rahe for the sole hope that he finish near the top? I want a coach that finishes at the top each year. I guarantee that some up and coming coaches are willing to come in here and either put up, or get out. The thought of 8 more years with Rahe drives me near mad.
SWeberCat02
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Potomac Griz said:
You're making him sound more successful than he's been. 18-10 vs D1 this season, 18-14 vs D1 last season. No way am I counting those as 20 win seasons. I don't give credit for padding your schedule with 2-3 built-in wins against schools you've never heard of or can't pronounce. 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins in 12 seasons. That's 25% for appearances.
Born2BleedPurpleGuy
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I don't know where we go from here. I know where I want to go. I want to be a clear threat to go Sweet 16 consistently. 1st round beatdowns or or even occasional upsets are not enough. I want Weber State to be a legit 1st round win team. Am I dreaming too big? I don't think so. I'm not sure how many share that dream. One thing is for sure...this funk we seem to settle for is getting old.
I am tired of hearing the same coach speak...errrrr excuses for continually achieving MEDIOCRITY. Something has to change whether it be Randy's paradigm or the University's paradigm. What good does it do to go up to the same old wall every season then stop? Mr. Rahe....TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!
I am tired of hearing the same coach speak...errrrr excuses for continually achieving MEDIOCRITY. Something has to change whether it be Randy's paradigm or the University's paradigm. What good does it do to go up to the same old wall every season then stop? Mr. Rahe....TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!
I just read that this is one of Rahe's worst losses in league play. If so, not at all surprising. Theres no way the players hadnt heard about the interviews and discussions he has been in. The lack of effort and energy was apparent last night. Who wants to give their coach 100% when he might only be giving 50%? And thats about the percent we got from the players.
Wildcat_Fan
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Lets be honest. Rahe isnt going anywhere.. After a performance like that last night no one wants him. If we fire him i agree that it would be hard to get a good up and comer after letting go a "20 win" coach. Some would be leery of the possible future after seeing that or looking to just make it to the next level.
There are only two options.
A. Rahe accepts a position at another school. I mean, maybe being here for 12 years has gotten old for him and along with the program, he needs a fresh start. Could fire him up! But, I don't see him going anywhere unless it is the perfect situation. CSU would be that situation for him. I don't think UTEP is the answer, but who knows. He likes recruiting in Texas and has a lot of connections down there.
B. He stays put and finishes out his 6 remaining seasons. This season hopefully has opened his eyes and fires him up a bit. Hopefully, he gets a little mojo back after this ass kicking.
Personally, he needs to get some new blood in to help him and give him different ways of seeing things.
A. Rahe accepts a position at another school. I mean, maybe being here for 12 years has gotten old for him and along with the program, he needs a fresh start. Could fire him up! But, I don't see him going anywhere unless it is the perfect situation. CSU would be that situation for him. I don't think UTEP is the answer, but who knows. He likes recruiting in Texas and has a lot of connections down there.
B. He stays put and finishes out his 6 remaining seasons. This season hopefully has opened his eyes and fires him up a bit. Hopefully, he gets a little mojo back after this ass kicking.
Personally, he needs to get some new blood in to help him and give him different ways of seeing things.
Webergrad02
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talhadfoursteals said:
AKA get Eric Dufts butt out of here!
webergrad02 said:
Something has to happen. The reality of 6 more years is awful and painful to think about. This team is not prepared for a deep run next year. This league is guard heavy, and we have one good guard. I want to be wrong, but I dont see us finishing better than 3 next year.
I am excited for the program and think Randy's recruiting will pay dividends soon. I'm one who feels that it is normal to have ups and downs in college hoops, but Weber has had a mostly "up" since Rahe came in. We finished the season poorly, but there was a lot of reasons for that, and I think new talent and new bodies will give the team an injection of talent and energy so we can go more than 7 deep.
Webergrad02
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DeeScott said:
I don't feel like this season was an up at all. I think this off-season needs to be a time when Randy evaluates why he does the things he does. He has to start to look at scheduling differently. It can't be about putting a schedule together that will automatically get him to 20 wins. I know there is safety in 20 wins for a coach but it needs to be bigger picture. Use the non-conference as a way to get the guys tough and ready for the season. Two of the teams that had very difficult non-conference schedules ended up playing for the championship. He has to expand the rotation to 8 or 9 or even more. That ultimately killed us in the end, we had 7 wore out players and the rest hadn't seen the floor for months.
Wildcat_Fan
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I would rather see 18 wins with a quality schedule than 20+ wins vs garbage. If next years schedule is bad idk if I will make it thru the OOC
SWWeatherCat
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Wildcat_Fan said:
:+1:
Three issues with Randy addressed as best as I can:
1. Not the greatest OOC. I have a theory, maybe he knew that this team wasn't going to be that great and needed an easier path for his kids to help them develop? I'd rather play up, but we did and Fresno destroyed us. Next season's schedule is looking somewhat better. Home games against Fresno St., UVU, BYU and possibly another guarantee (hopeful and I think JE Bovee is too), with Neutral court games against USU (I wouldn't doubt if we see them again on our schedule in Logan), and 3 at a preseason tournament. I'm guessing two beats one before conference and one after the season starts before the Holiday Tournament (I'm crossing my fingers that they are both DII's. I'd love Dixie and Westminster). I for one, really miss the bracket busters. That assured us of 2 DI OOC games each year that were set up by someone other than coaches or administrators.
2. Assistants. He isn't getting help. I have talked to a few former players, and they have all said the same thing. Randy is the best coach they have ever played for and they absolutely love him. But his assistants haven't been. Of course these players have said positive things about past assistants: Smiley, Beckner, Bernard, Gold, Red and McCoy. Some mentioned how good past assistants were, but the three left, haven't received the best accolades or rankings from the guys who have played for them.
3. Rotation. I think Randy was hoping for an 8 or 9 man rotation, but Dallas, expecting anywhere from 5-10 a night, just hasn't turned into a player (he also got injured this past summer) and ended up being a liability when he was on the floor. Cody John was injured and they were expecting 25 out of him a night, and I think Randy was hopeful that Ary Turner or Court would give him 10-15. With John available, Randy would have been able to red shirt either Court or Ary-Turner, but instead had to play them both because he didn't have enough bodies. Neither really progressed much this season and there is a hope that whoever stays out of the two, will be able to produce next season. Randy needs one of them too. I thought early on that Ary-Turner would be a stud, but he quickly fell from grace.
1. Not the greatest OOC. I have a theory, maybe he knew that this team wasn't going to be that great and needed an easier path for his kids to help them develop? I'd rather play up, but we did and Fresno destroyed us. Next season's schedule is looking somewhat better. Home games against Fresno St., UVU, BYU and possibly another guarantee (hopeful and I think JE Bovee is too), with Neutral court games against USU (I wouldn't doubt if we see them again on our schedule in Logan), and 3 at a preseason tournament. I'm guessing two beats one before conference and one after the season starts before the Holiday Tournament (I'm crossing my fingers that they are both DII's. I'd love Dixie and Westminster). I for one, really miss the bracket busters. That assured us of 2 DI OOC games each year that were set up by someone other than coaches or administrators.
2. Assistants. He isn't getting help. I have talked to a few former players, and they have all said the same thing. Randy is the best coach they have ever played for and they absolutely love him. But his assistants haven't been. Of course these players have said positive things about past assistants: Smiley, Beckner, Bernard, Gold, Red and McCoy. Some mentioned how good past assistants were, but the three left, haven't received the best accolades or rankings from the guys who have played for them.
3. Rotation. I think Randy was hoping for an 8 or 9 man rotation, but Dallas, expecting anywhere from 5-10 a night, just hasn't turned into a player (he also got injured this past summer) and ended up being a liability when he was on the floor. Cody John was injured and they were expecting 25 out of him a night, and I think Randy was hopeful that Ary Turner or Court would give him 10-15. With John available, Randy would have been able to red shirt either Court or Ary-Turner, but instead had to play them both because he didn't have enough bodies. Neither really progressed much this season and there is a hope that whoever stays out of the two, will be able to produce next season. Randy needs one of them too. I thought early on that Ary-Turner would be a stud, but he quickly fell from grace.
oldrunner
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Next years schedule does look better already. Let's be honest, What we are really interested in is reducing the number of crap/beat down games. My personal feelings are that one is acceptable, two is iffy, and three is simply not right. We will have to start getting home n homes with teams we didn't want to visit in the past. That is the simple truth to the matter.SWWeatherCat said:
Wildcat_Fan
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oldrunner said:Next years schedule does look better already. Let's be honest, What we are really interested in is reducing the number of crap/beat down games. My personal feelings are that one is acceptable, two is iffy, and three is simply not right. We will have to start getting home n homes with teams we didn't want to visit in the past. That is the simple truth to the matter.SWWeatherCat said:
It looks better but not great.. RPI of 166 this year def can be improved. I see no reason why UVU can get kentucky and duke back to back and we cannot get a higher caliber team. Randy used to say we will play anyone anywhere. We want the toughest schedule. Its time for him to put his money where his mouth is.
SWWeatherCat
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oldrunner said:Next years schedule does look better already. Let's be honest, What we are really interested in is reducing the number of crap/beat down games. My personal feelings are that one is acceptable, two is iffy, and three is simply not right. We will have to start getting home n homes with teams we didn't want to visit in the past. That is the simple truth to the matter.SWWeatherCat said:
No, that's part of it though. Of course I have no interest in watching-- let alone attending-- a game vs the Western Typewriter Maintenance School for Wayward Mimes, but whether home, away, or neutral, I want to see some competition that generates interest from a spectator's viewpoint. Then, I'd like a team that's ready to compete against better competition before January. I don't expect a glossy OOC record against better competition every year but I am interested in better early on play against decent competition. I get the difficulties of scheduling home games against better teams but think it's also used as an excuse to justify bringing total crap teams in to help get to that magical 20 win mark. If improving the schedule and SOS requires more road and neutral games, so be it.
