Fire the BSC Director of Officials

[oldrunner]

It is very, very, very clear that whomever this man is he should be fired, and right now.

He has, obviously, put such an emphasis on hand checking that the refs no longer see anything else. They don't see elbows to the head, they missed several, they don't see slaps to the face, they missed at least 10 of those, they refused to call obvious traveling, until the crowd forced them into it, and they had no respect from anybody. They did, however, call many hand checks, even if they had nothing to do with the play. Those refs were not there to protect the players or to call a fair game, they were there to not get called on the carpet for not calling hand checking. That was one of the worst displays of officiating I have witnessed.

This is exactly why Jeremy got his jaw broken last year, and they tried to do it again this year. I don't know if it was the same refs involved this year. I hope not. It does seem like it was ISU though. Anyway, those guys should not be allowed to do another NCAA game, ever.

The game film should be sent to the NCAA and they should fire the entire BSC staff and have one of our local high school staffs start assigning refs. The officiating probably wouldn't get any better, but it darn sure wouldn't get any worse.

If the BSC Com. wants to do something proactively, he should call in his Director of Officials and fire him on the spot. :wall:

 

[oldrunner]

Kenneth Burdett, Michael Cheatham, Dennis Flannery

Those were the refs. However, I think that debauchery was less their fault than the fault of the BSC Director of Officiating. That guy should be fired. The refs should have to do another year of retraining before they are allowed to take players lives in their hands again. :yikes:

 

[baller]

WOW! I am surprised at the level of vitriol spewed by you Old Runner. Yes, they were bad but "putting players lives at risk"? Come on... isn't that a bit of an overreaction. The BSC refs have been bad for years and it is probably not going to change in the foreseeable future. Why don't your write to the commissioner and let him know your feelings.

On a different note I am shocked at the lack of talent in the ISU roster. They have a 2 or 3 OK guards in the height range of 6'0" - 6'3" and nothing else. I mean nothing... After seeing there talent level I expected Weber to win the game by 30... I have to admit that Rahe has done a far better job of amassing more athletic and better basketball players than ISU. I'll give him that much...

 

[oldrunner]

WOW! I am surprised at the level of vitriol spewed by you Old Runner. Yes, they were bad but "putting players lives at risk"? Come on... isn't that a bit of an overreaction. The BSC refs have been bad for years and it is probably not going to change in the foreseeable future. Why don't your write to the commissioner and let him know your feelings.

On a different note I am shocked at the lack of talent in the ISU roster. They have a 2 or 3 OK guards in the height range of 6'0" - 6'3" and nothing else. I mean nothing... After seeing there talent level I expected Weber to win the game by 30... I have to admit that Rahe has done a far better job of amassing more athletic and better basketball players than ISU. I'll give him that much...

Yes. I think that I will draft a letter to Fullerton. One game may not be enough to base a conclusion on. I may wait until after next weekends games. We get this kind of hacking, elbowing, and slapping from a few of the less talented teams in the BSC. Last year it resulted in Jeremy getting a broken jaw and missing the rest of the regular season. As long as these teams continually get away with it, they will continue to do it. Players are going to be needlessly injured. Who is responsible for training the officials? Who is in charge of administering these officials? Who hires them? Who has institutional control? Who is responsible when there is clearly a lack of institutional control that results in player injuries?

If Fullerton does not want to take control, maybe the courts or the NCAA should. That is all I am saying.

In that game, there were several blows to the head that would have been flagged in the NFL, but were not seen by our 'well trained' BSC refs because they were so intent on the hand checking that they couldn't see anything else. Seems to be a problem with their training to me. A problem with their training is directly related to a lack of institutional control on the part of the BSC Commissioner, Fullerton.

As far as ISUs talent, they are certainly more talented than they were last year. They have some younger players who seem to have more up side than anyone they have had over the last several years. Right now, they seem to think they have to hack and elbow to have a chance, but they do seem to have a future of improvement. We are going to see a few more teams just like that in our league.

 

[sapokama]

I agree with most everything you are saying, oldrunner. I still can't figure out how the refs went to the monitor last night and did not call the elbow to senglin's brow a flagrant foul. Unless they changed the rules this year, I was under the impression that even inadvertent elbows to the head or face were automatic flagrant fouls. I do; however, disagree about how senglin broke his jaw last year. If i remember right, he ran right into a well set screen from a much bigger player at full speed. I don't remember anything malicious about that play. Did you see something different in that play that I missed?

 

[oldrunner]

Yes, I did see something else. I saw an elbow placed to do the job 'right'. I saw the same thing in all the replays. Screens are not meant to be set with ones elbows. He didn't break his jaw on somebody's rib cage.

As far as the refs not doing anything about the replay last night, They were trying to hide the fact that they totally missed the call. When you are totally insecure about your job, it's harder to admit when you are clearly wrong and refs are really reluctant to go against the judgment of their team mate. That is where 'institutional control' comes in, or lack there of. Anyway you want to cut it, the BSC is directly responsible for injuries that result from their lack of institutional control. The refs themselves might get a pass because they are just an extension of the institution that hired, trained, and administers them.

 

[sacstateman]

Why didn't you say something about it when it happened last year????

 

[oldrunner]

I believe that I did say something about it. It may not have been on this forum. However, I do remember talking to other BSC officials about it. I was just told that it was none of my business. They stopped short of telling me to never come to any games again, but it was implied that might be next. I'm not sure of the integrity of any BSC administrators. They certainly don't want to hear about any kind of shortcomings or possible malfeasance.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

I do; however, disagree about how senglin broke his jaw last year. If i remember right, he ran right into a well set screen from a much bigger player at full speed. I don't remember anything malicious about that play. Did you see something different in that play that I missed?

I remember it the same way, he ran square into a solid screen. I didn't think there was anything dirty or intentional with it. I do, however, remember being upset that it didn't appear anyone on his team called the screen out for him when it seemed they could have.

 

[oldrunner]

I was on row 2, about 20' from where it happened. I could see the screen being set. I could see the eyes of the guy setting the screen. It looked measured and intentional to me. I saw nothing on any of the replays that would change my mind. If it wasn't intentional, it was sure a lucky hit. Elbow to jaw was perfect. I may get reprimanded again, but I saw what I saw. It is just my opinion. Others didn't see it the same way. I've seen that same thing called both ways before. I stand by my opinion. Screens are set with bodies, not elbows.

I'm OK with an official missing a call. However, a pattern of overemphasizing one thing to the exclusion of other, more dangerous, offenses, that result in player injuries, needs to be controlled by those within the institution. Institutional control is paramount to the safety of the players. The BSC refuses to execute that control. Something needs to be done about it, besides threatening whistleblowers.

 

[Skippy]

Marla Denham is the Big Sky director of officials, you might contact her with your concerns.

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[oldrunner]

Marla Denham is the Big Sky director of officials, you might contact her with your concerns.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/staff.aspx?staff=10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think that I am seeing the problem now. Fullerton is way too attached to his Director of Officials. Looks like they will need to be fired together. That would take a vote of the University Presidents. That is a little less likely to happen. The NCAA could put some sanctions on the league, but that is not likely. We may just have to live with our little incestuous group until they retire. :wtf:

 

[weberwildcat]

big sky refs have always sucked and will always suck. i dont think there is anything that can be done. is it just because the big sky is lame and poor?

 

[Webergrad02]

It is very, very, very clear that whomever this man is he should be fired, and right now.

The Big Sky Director of officials is Marla Denham and it is a she instead of a he.

Expecting good officiating at a Big Sky game is like ordering steak and lobster from IHOP and expecting it to be good. Just doesn't happen.

 

[weberwildcat]

overall in 2015-16 we have recommended firing a lot of people. most of the coaches at the univ, most of the athletic dept so adding the big sky people and refs suits our fan board. only jay hill is safe. :lol:

 

[Webergrad02]

overall in 2015-16 we have recommended firing a lot of people. most of the coaches at the univ, most of the athletic dept so adding the big sky people and refs suits our fan board. only jay hill is safe. :lol:

There hasn't been a fire Catcat thread for a while. So I think you are safe too. I tried to fire Oldrunners inside info, but it got a contract extension for a few years.

I know I may get killed for this, but how about the job Beth Ord is doing with the women? I thought for sure that this would be the end of the road for her. The lady cats are playing well.

 

[WSUProf]

I know I may get killed for this, but how about the job Beth Ord is doing with the women? I thought for sure that this would be the end of the road for her. The lady cats are playing well.

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[weberwildcat]

webergrad02,

but i was fired from my lame wsu bball site in 2014

:rofl:

may weberhoops.com R.I.P.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Ugh...Big Sky Refs?? WORST in the nation; hands down!! says a lot about Marla's success in her position. It only gets worse every year too.

WEBERHOOPS!! LOL...the site that never updated anything other than Rahe's record and the Dunk Meter!! But, it is missed.

 

[weberwildcat]

Ugh...Big Sky Refs?? WORST in the nation; hands down!! says a lot about Marla's success in her position. It only gets worse every year too.

WEBERHOOPS!! LOL...the site that never updated anything other than Rahe's record and the Dunk Meter!! But, it is missed.

but its utah, the state that hires the least women and pays them the lowest of all 50 states vs men. 73 cents for every dollar a man makes doing the exact same job. she unfortunately can do as she pleases regardless of whether or not she is good or bad at our job. ive never heard of her until today. if she was in cali then she could get canned if there was a valid reason. :mrgreen: