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Grading Criteria for 2016/17

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Webergrad02

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So lets set the criteria before the season starts on what we will grade the season 5 months from now.

What will an A season look like?

What will a B season look like?

What will a C and below season look like?
 
A win in the NCAA's, and or sweep the instate games (BYU/USU pipe dream)
B make the NCAA's, split the instate games above
C lose in Reno and lose both instate games above

Yes it's a tough grade but we're speculating so sky's the limit...
 
We are grading on the curve here.

To get a C or higher, they will need to compete for the BSC championship and get a bid to post season play. To get a B or higher, they must win the BSC. To get an A they will need to win at least one game in the NCAA playoffs or win the championship of a lesser post season tournament. An A+ would be to min at least 2 NCAA games.

I want to see them do good in OOC games, but they are not part of the grades I would assign. :coffee:
 
Not surprising, as we all well know Coach Rahe's regard for OOC games...the "real season" begins with conference play. Coach & the rest of us want to see the Wildcats do well in OOC games, but some of us, after 10 yrs., realize the reality of Coach Rahe's teams' chances for success, particularly in-state games vs. USU & BYU, are slim to none (Cougars)!

So to base any A or B grade on a win against such, or even a win in the NCAA tournament, is raising the bar way too high.

A, Win the BSC regular & tournament championship, receive at least a 15 seed in the NCAA tourney, have a competitive 1st game ending within a single digit margin score loss.

B. Win the BSC regular & tournament championship, receive a bid to the NCAA, but lose the 1st game by double digits (no more than 20 pts).

C. Win the BSC regular season championship, lose in the tourney, get a NIT bid, compete but lose in the 1st game by whatever margin.

Considering Weber State is expected by most to win the BSC (regular season), anything less could be considered below a C, except if they somehow get into a post season tourney (CIT, etc.) & make it to the championship game. That might be considered a C+ or even B-.

Don't expect the Wildcats to beat USU, BYU or a NCAA tourney game, that's just not reality. :twocents:
 
Lets all be honest. IF the Cats were able to pull off a W in Provo, against BYU, for the first time in 13 seasons...YES, that would be grounds for an automatic A.

IF the Cats were able to win in Logan for the first time since 1994, then that would also be grounds for an automatic A.

On the flip side, losing to UvU at the Dee would be grounds for an automatic F. :ohno: Yes, I know that Pope has pulled a Grand Canyon and has brought in a bunch of transfers (BYU rejects mostly) and that could mean a more competitive program in Orem it doesn't mean that Weber should not absolutely destroy uvU.

However, I'm a pragmatist and I realize that Randy just can't beat Rose. No matter how bad BYU is, and Weber is highly talented, beating BYU with Randy just isn't going to happen. And, winning in LOLgan is nearly impossible for Weber. What makes these games even more frustrating is the fact that under Randy, our teams usually lead at halftime and then lay an egg in the second half.

So, winning the Sky and going dancing would be an A.
Being competitive in the Sky going to the NIT, CIT, or CBI a B.
Not winning the Sky and getting knocked out early in reNO a C.
Losing to SUU, and/or ISU a D.
TOTAL FAIL IF WEBER LAYS AN EGG like two years ago.
 
talhadfoursteals said:
So, winning the Sky and going dancing would be an A.
Being competitive in the Sky going to the NIT, CIT, or CBI a B.
Not winning the Sky and getting knocked out early in reNO a C.
Losing to SUU, and/or ISU a D.
TOTAL FAIL IF WEBER LAYS AN EGG like two years ago.
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Wow, some tough profs on this board! Getting a win in the NCAA tournament has more to do with seeding than anything. From a 15 or 16 seed it's almost impossible to expect a win. A's shouldn't be impossible to attain.

So I'm more in line with Tal's basket-weaving class curve. Get me to the Dance (which means we win the conference tourney) and you get an A. Get me into another tournament and I'll have a lot of fun -- especially if we get one or more home games in it. That's a B. With this team I'm not sure they can earn a C. Anything less that my A or B standard will be a D and hugely disappointing. That's because, like usual, I'm drinking the preseason Purple Stuff. I really like the potential of this year's team!
 
I may not be so generous with the A grades, but I, as always, am also drinking the purple stuff by the gallon. I feel that this year's team can be special. I also believe that the next 4 or 5 years will be more of the same. This team is built for now, but well prepared for the future. I really like the general direction of things.

Weber State, Weber State, Great, Great, Great! :rockon:
 
A+ A 20 win season, winning the BSC regular season, and tourney, and winning a game in the NCAA tourney

A All of the above, except the win at the NCAAs

B No 20 win season, but winning the BSC regular season (but not the tourney) and doing well in a post season tournament
or winning BSC regular season and the BSC tourney, but no win in the NCAA tourney

B- not winning the BSC regular season, but winning the tourney

C Competing for first in the regular season in the BSC but not taking first and then not winning the tourney.
 
Major Factors that determine grade level

A = Winning Big Sky Regular and Post season championships.
B = Finish conference in top 3. Play in semis or championship at reNO. Play in CBI, NIT or CIT
C = Finish 4 - 6 in conference.
D & F = Finish 7 - 12 in conference.

Positive minor factors that will give grade a +
(If multiple (2 or more) minor positive factors happen grade level can be increased.)

Winning great Alaska Shootout
Beating USU in Logan
Beating BYU in Provo
Beating Stanford in Palo Alto

Negative minor factors that will give a grade a -
(Each bad loss counts as a -. If minuses aren't offset with positives, multiple bad losses 2 or more can lead to grade being lower.)
Losing to bad teams home or away 250 RPI and lower
Not winning any D1 OOC road or neutral games
Scheduling more than one non D1 school.

Based on this criteria last season would be an A-
We got the A for winning both regular season and conference tourney. Winning the Gulf Showcase got us a minor point. But it was offset and deducted by playing more than one non D1 and the bad UVU loss.
 
I think my final grade for this team is a B-

Too many times this season that this team shoulda, woulda, coulda..... but in the end didn't.
 
Seems about right to me. Is that all inclusive? How about breaking the grading out to players/coaching? Or, would that cause the thread to be moved to the Other category?
 
SWWeatherCat said:
Seems about right to me. Is that all inclusive? How about breaking the grading out to players/coaching? Or, would that cause the thread to be moved to the Other category?
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It depends on what Lord AJ has eaten for breakfast that day. :notworthy:
 
webergrad02 said:
SWWeatherCat said:
Seems about right to me. Is that all inclusive? How about breaking the grading out to players/coaching? Or, would that cause the thread to be moved to the Other category?
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It depends on what Lord AJ has eaten for breakfast that day. :notworthy:
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I don't know whether I should be flattered or creep'd the fuck out that I am constantly on your mind. :roll:
As for the team this season I would give them a B- overall
 
The theme of this team should be -- Almost. We almost won the Big Sky Regular Season, We almost beat UND in the Championship Game, We almost beat BYU on their home floor, We almost got to the CIT Quarters...

Best moments of 16-17 - Beating USU and Montana on their home floor. Senglin capturing the most 3's in Big Sky history and finishing his collegiate career with 2078 points to become Weber State's all-time leader (Dame would have ended with over 2500).
Worst moments - Giving up 6 with a min to go in the Championship Game of the Big Sky, losing to Montana at home and losing to Denver.

I give this team a solid B, but the USU win curves the grade according to my grading criteria. lol
 
I agree with olds. C+. Just too many things we missed out on.

I would argue our bad almost outweighed our good.

BUT next year we can look forward to. Anyone say the bar is set even higher?
 
From December 10 to February 16 we went 14 and 2 and played some great basketball -- beating USU, Montana State and Montana on the road. During that time we lead the NCAA in FG% (we ended up #2 at 41.7% behind Marquette). Leading the way was an outstanding player who became the second all-time scorer in the Big Sky.

The ending was tough as many of the cracks in our armor (rebounding) became huge gaps. But during their run, this team was fun to watch (outside of that run - beginning and end of season - we were 6 and 12 and it was often painful watching us shoot over 50% and lose). Because of the Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde season, I'll go with the B-. But we did have some great moments.
 
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