Griz O-Lineman arrested

[clawman1]

Pretty sad these kids can be so stupid to get themselves involved.
http://www.kpax.com/news/griz-football-among-6-arrested-on-drug-charges/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[LDopaPDX]

Seems like an odd charge "criminal possession of a dangerous drug." It wasn't "possession of controlled substance" but still a felony. I wonder what he was caught with? The charge alone makes me think this is sort of dubious. Lord knows I'm not one to jump to a Griz's defense, but something seems unusual.

 

[marceagfan5]

Seems like an odd charge "criminal possession of a dangerous drug." It wasn't "possession of controlled substance" but still a felony. I wonder what he was caught with? The charge alone makes me think this is sort of dubious. Lord knows I'm not one to jump to a Griz's defense, but something seems unusual.

Their program can't buy a break....yikes...

 

[EWURanger]

Brings in the clowns!

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Seems like an odd charge "criminal possession of a dangerous drug." It wasn't "possession of controlled substance" but still a felony. I wonder what he was caught with? The charge alone makes me think this is sort of dubious. Lord knows I'm not one to jump to a Griz's defense, but something seems unusual.

I've read that it was ecstasy.

 

[kalm]

I think felony criminal possession would imply the intent to distribute.

 

[jtayewu]

Montana Statute for this http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/9/45-9-102.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

45-9-102. Criminal possession of dangerous drugs. (1) Except as provided in Title 50, chapter 46, a person commits the offense of criminal possession of dangerous drugs if the person possesses any dangerous drug, as defined in 50-32-101.
(2) A person convicted of criminal possession of marijuana or its derivatives in an amount the aggregate weight of which does not exceed 60 grams of marijuana or 1 gram of hashish is, for the first offense, guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $100 or more than $500 and by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 6 months. The minimum fine must be imposed as a condition of a suspended or deferred sentence. A person convicted of a second or subsequent offense under this subsection is punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or by imprisonment in the county jail for a term not to exceed 1 year or in the state prison for a term not to exceed 3 years or by both. This subsection does not apply to the possession of synthetic cannabinoids listed as dangerous drugs in 50-32-222.
(3) A person convicted of criminal possession of an anabolic steroid as listed in 50-32-226 is, for the first offense, guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $100 or more than $500 or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 6 months, or both.
(4) A person convicted of criminal possession of an opiate, as defined in 50-32-101(19), shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a term of not less than 2 years or more than 5 years and may be fined not more than $50,000, except as provided in 46-18-222.
(5) (a) A person convicted of a second or subsequent offense of criminal possession of methamphetamine shall be punished by:
(i) imprisonment for a term not to exceed 5 years or by a fine not to exceed $50,000, or both; or
(ii) commitment to the department of corrections for placement in an appropriate correctional facility or program for a term of not less than 3 years or more than 5 years. If the person successfully completes a residential methamphetamine treatment program operated or approved by the department of corrections during the first 3 years of a term, the remainder of the term must be suspended. The court may also impose a fine not to exceed $50,000.
(b) During the first 3 years of a term under subsection (5)(a)(ii), the department of corrections may place the person in a residential methamphetamine treatment program operated or approved by the department of corrections or in a correctional facility or program. The residential methamphetamine treatment program must consist of time spent in a residential methamphetamine treatment facility and time spent in a community-based prerelease center.
(c) The court shall, as conditions of probation pursuant to subsection (5)(a), order:
(i) the person to abide by the standard conditions of probation established by the department of corrections;
(ii) payment of the costs of imprisonment, probation, and any methamphetamine treatment by the person if the person is financially able to pay those costs;
(iii) that the person may not enter an establishment where alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises or where gambling takes place;
(iv) that the person may not consume alcoholic beverages;
(v) the person to enter and remain in an aftercare program as directed by the person's probation officer; and
(vi) the person to submit to random or routine drug and alcohol testing.
(6) A person convicted of criminal possession of dangerous drugs not otherwise provided for in subsections (2) through (5) shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a term not to exceed 5 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both.
(7) A person convicted of a first violation under this section is presumed to be entitled to a deferred imposition of sentence of imprisonment.
(8) Ultimate users and practitioners, as defined in 50-32-101, and agents under their supervision acting in the course of a professional practice are exempt from this section.

(6) "Dangerous drug" means a drug, substance, or immediate precursor in Schedules I through V set forth in part 2.

 

[Spoeagle]

There are Review writers (not Jim) who have always covered the griz achievements as if they were a local team, but this year hardly a word about all their problems. Poole is a local kid (Ferris), but no mention of him in the Spokane paper? Interesting. I believe Eastern tried to recruit Poole, maybe his parents now wish he had stayed home to play.

 

[LDopaPDX]

I'll say this, if it turns out he was caught with an ecstasy pill and got charged with a felony, that's horseshit. I knew when I heard the charge it was mostly likely something from the "designer drug" category. The law struggles to categorize those drugs because they move schedules all the time. Hell, ecstasy was 100% legal until the early 90s. I could rant forever about this, but it isn't worth it.

 

[HannahO]

I'll say this, if it turns out he was caught with an ecstasy pill and got charged with a felony, that's horseshit. I knew when I heard the charge it was mostly likely something from the "designer drug" category. The law struggles to categorize those drugs because they move schedules all the time. Hell, ecstasy was 100% legal until the early 90s. I could rant forever about this, but it isn't worth it.

We're going to disagree on this one (again). A few years ago, a local (to us) high school junior overdosed on 2 tabs of ecstasy and her friend went to jail for manslaughter after failing to summon aid. It was the first time she tried it and she thought it was safe "cause everyone said so." Two lives, two families irrevocably altered.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008112730_ecstasycase14m.html

At this point, we have no idea of the facts involving Poole, but to imply if it's ecstasy it shouldn't be a felony is crazy talk. I know you may be fashionable in that assessment but look up what some of these supposedly harmless designer drugs are doing to folks (remember a couple of years ago when salts were being touted as a safe alternative to mj and now people are chewing off faces while under the influence?). :rant:

 

[LDopaPDX]

I'll say this, if it turns out he was caught with an ecstasy pill and got charged with a felony, that's horseshit. I knew when I heard the charge it was mostly likely something from the "designer drug" category. The law struggles to categorize those drugs because they move schedules all the time. Hell, ecstasy was 100% legal until the early 90s. I could rant forever about this, but it isn't worth it.

We're going to disagree on this one (again). A few years ago, a local (to us) high school junior overdosed on 2 tabs of ecstasy and her friend went to jail for manslaughter after failing to summon aid. It was the first time she tried it and she thought it was safe "cause everyone said so." Two lives, two families irrevocably altered.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008112730_ecstasycase14m.html

At this point, we have no idea of the facts involving Poole, but to imply if it's ecstasy it shouldn't be a felony is crazy talk. I know you may be fashionable in that assessment but look up what some of these supposedly harmless designer drugs are doing to folks (remember a couple of years ago when salts were being touted as a safe alternative to mj and now people are chewing off faces while under the influence?). :rant:

Ecstasy, that is MDMA, methylenedioxymethamphetamine- N chain, has a fatal dose (LD-50) of approximately 20mg/kg. Some studies show the LD-50 to be closer to 100mg/kg. It's *highly* unlikely this poor girl really died from ecstasy. More than likely, she died from taking some adulterated pill some idiot called "ecstasy" but wasn't. Again, IMO, this is the unintended consequence of bad legal decisions... by making it somewhere between C-I and C-II, the black market has now grown to include "fake" and extremely dangerous substitutes. Again, don't need or want to rant, but I feel the DEA and FDA bring this shit on themselves by banning things simply because they think it is in some "public interest."

While I wouldn't want my kids messing around with this shit, I also can't stand that the world and street drugs are actually made more dangerous because these things are illegal. When the unintended consequences are worse than the problem, it's time to find another solution!

Again, sorry for the rant... ff: :hijack:

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/prosecutor-griz-tackle-poole-bought-drugs-at-rave/article_b35c30d2-216f-11e2-a89e-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

University of Montana Grizzlies starting offensive tackle Trevor Poole was arrested after allegedly buying drugs early Sunday morning at the Disco Bloodbath III party.

A man later identified as Poole “engaged in a ‘hand to hand transaction’ involving the exchange of cash for a plastic baggie,” according to charging documents filed Monday by Deputy Missoula County Attorney Shaun Donovan.

Poole admitted to officers that he had two “molly” pills in his pocket, Donovan’s affidavit said. Molly is a street name for a club drug.

“He also admitted purchasing the pills that night from a male who offered to sell him the drug,” the affidavit said.

Poole, 20, a redshirt sophomore from Spokane, faces a felony charge of controlled possession of dangerous drugs. He was booked into the jail just before 4:15 a.m. Sunday and held on a suggested bail of $50,000.

 

[HannahO]

I'll say this, if it turns out he was caught with an ecstasy pill and got charged with a felony, that's horseshit. I knew when I heard the charge it was mostly likely something from the "designer drug" category. The law struggles to categorize those drugs because they move schedules all the time. Hell, ecstasy was 100% legal until the early 90s. I could rant forever about this, but it isn't worth it.

We're going to disagree on this one (again). A few years ago, a local (to us) high school junior overdosed on 2 tabs of ecstasy and her friend went to jail for manslaughter after failing to summon aid. It was the first time she tried it and she thought it was safe "cause everyone said so." Two lives, two families irrevocably altered.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2008112730_ecstasycase14m.html

At this point, we have no idea of the facts involving Poole, but to imply if it's ecstasy it shouldn't be a felony is crazy talk. I know you may be fashionable in that assessment but look up what some of these supposedly harmless designer drugs are doing to folks (remember a couple of years ago when salts were being touted as a safe alternative to mj and now people are chewing off faces while under the influence?). :rant:

Ecstasy, that is MDMA, methylenedioxymethamphetamine- N chain, has a fatal dose (LD-50) of approximately 20mg/kg. Some studies show the LD-50 to be closer to 100mg/kg. It's *highly* unlikely this poor girl really died from ecstasy. More than likely, she died from taking some adulterated pill some idiot called "ecstasy" but wasn't. Again, IMO, this is the unintended consequence of bad legal decisions... by making it somewhere between C-I and C-II, the black market has now grown to include "fake" and extremely dangerous substitutes. Again, don't need or want to rant, but I feel the DEA and FDA bring this shit on themselves by banning things simply because they think it is in some "public interest."

While I wouldn't want my kids messing around with this shit, I also can't stand that the world and street drugs are actually made more dangerous because these things are illegal. When the unintended consequences are worse than the problem, it's time to find another solution!

Again, sorry for the rant... ff: :hijack:

While that's a possibility, there is also some recent research that indicates women (young women in particular) are affected by ecstasy differently than men.

Scientists have recently said that women who are of child bearing age have a high risk of dying from a very serious, lethal effect of Ecstasy.

A chemical produced when Ecstasy breaks down in the user's body produces water retention. If this water retention become too much in the body, it can be fatal. Younger women produce the female hormone known as oestrogen. This hormone causes women to be more sensitive to water retention. As a result, women who drink a large amount of water to avoid dehydrating on Ecstasy could potentially be at risk for dying from water retention.

Read more at: http://www.thecabinchiangmai.com/ar..._by_ecstasy_differently_than_men#.UI8r95G9KK0

It's also likely that alcohol mixed with ecstasy played a role. Regardless, it was a terrible way to die (seizures, vomiting, incontinence, lock jaw, limb stiffening and eventual coma over the course of several hours) and I have no qualms about a felony charge if the circumstances warrant (selling, distributing, and depending on the amount, possession).

 

[LDopaPDX]

There are certainly two (or more) viewpoints on the subject. I don't want to say your point of view is wrong, because a lot of people believe in the prohibition of drugs. I just feel like the War on Drugs, while good and virtuous in theory, has been horrendous in practice. While I don't condone illegal drug abuse, I think it is incredibly small as a crime when compared to countless other things that result in much smaller sentences (DUI, for example... taking ecstasy is a crime that only physically might hurt the individual, DUI has implications on others, and that is a huge difference).

That said, the psychiatric community has long noted the benefits of MDMA as an therapeutic empathogen. In fact, it is the most reliable empathogen on record. To my knowledge, it is the only short-acting empathogen that has been synthesized. I'm not saying let's all go out and do ecstasy, but the demonization of the compound (or any compound) is largely due to a reefer-madness-type hysteria and not scientific principle.

However, as you rightly noted, MDMA -as with all drugs, legal or illegal- is still very dangerous. And that danger is made ever greater by ignorance or rumors about it's effects that are not rooted in reality.

And there I go, continuing to hijack. Regardless, thanks to all for intelligent discussion well outside football.

 

[HannahO]

Ditto! Nice to have discussions in which differing views don't result in rude "food fight" insults (see eGriz). :thumb:

 

[clawman1]

We lost the drug war a long time ago, can you say prohibition?
We can not even keep illegal drugs out of prisons so how do we hope to keep them off the streets?