Dear young guns. He's going to replace players that won't be coached with some others that will? Who do you think is responsible for the current players?You mention coaches Smiley and Lever.Do you really think that they are the ones that coach the team, and. Rahe just sits on the bench and watches the games? It's the head coaches sole responsibility to teach cohesiveness,passing, plays,and shooting.the. Team is bad at all those things.Either the players have no fear of the coach,or they have no respect.Do you think a coach like Bobby Knight would just replace players that won't be coached with different players? Do you think it's that easy? Oh, crap no,he would coach his recruits to be proficient in all those fundamentals,or they wouldn't get any sleep for the rest of their careers. And dear dee wildcat tailgater,you think the fans are too tough? College coaching is a tough profession.ask any coach. Rahe has had 10 years and has been paid a lot of money to do so.Are you satisfied with a trip to the NCAA every once in a blue moon? Even the three years we had Lillard, the school couldn't even win the Big Sky to go to the big dance.Were talking about the most prolific player to ever play in the Big Sky.An NBA all star! He was never used right at Weber. All his stats are much higher in the NBA than they ever were at Weber.The coach never brought in players to complement him, or help him out.Rahe was just satisfied that The team would win most of their big Sky games with him.he's A huge waste of a perfect time to put Weber on the map.He's been out coached and out recruited by most big Sky schools, with the exception of Lillard.The team will come back better as ever? I hope not,we need a coach that gives the fans a reasonable chance of the NCAA every year,like coaches of past years did. Coaches like Motta, Phil Johnson,Neil Mcarthy,and Abegglen did. Were lucky to make it the Big sky playoffs , let alone win it. You're sugar coating next season on false optimism.I'm finished attending games until a change is made. A change that results in some wins against div 1 teams in the preseason,and a resonable chance of going to the Big dance every year.Don't settle for a win against SLCC every other year.
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Webergrad02
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But at least Coach Rahe can probably use the space bar after each sentence of a long, convoluted paragraph.
Nail....... Can't say I disagree with you on any of your points, what I will say is that this season is/was a colossal flop. I think we have some players that are not qualified to wear the uni. I also think we have players playing the wrong position.
Jerry Bovee is Rahe's boss, he sets the tone for the program and let's Rahe know what's acceptable in terms of performance. Rahe has made it clear that he wants to win conference and the tourney! That's his priority! He doesn't seem as caught up in the local rivalries as we are and I think that's unfortunate. What does Bovee think?
Bobby knight was an ass...... He did counsel out players that didn't live up to the program's expectations, but he was tremendous in getting the most out of players. I don't have a clue what's going on in the locker room at Weber State. I know we have talented players that are not playing at a high level. I don't know if we missed in recruiting them, but we are getting our butts kicked by programs with less talented athletes. My comments on Lever and Smiley are that you can't judged their performance based on one year. You can if the incompetence continues next season. I don't think it will!
Jerry Bovee is Rahe's boss, he sets the tone for the program and let's Rahe know what's acceptable in terms of performance. Rahe has made it clear that he wants to win conference and the tourney! That's his priority! He doesn't seem as caught up in the local rivalries as we are and I think that's unfortunate. What does Bovee think?
Bobby knight was an ass...... He did counsel out players that didn't live up to the program's expectations, but he was tremendous in getting the most out of players. I don't have a clue what's going on in the locker room at Weber State. I know we have talented players that are not playing at a high level. I don't know if we missed in recruiting them, but we are getting our butts kicked by programs with less talented athletes. My comments on Lever and Smiley are that you can't judged their performance based on one year. You can if the incompetence continues next season. I don't think it will!
Webergrad02
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youngguns said:I don't have a clue what's going on in the locker room at Weber State.
My comments on Lever and Smiley are that you can't judged their performance based on one year. You can if the incompetence continues next season. I don't think it will!
According to a poster a few weeks ago, you were the team laundry specialist in charge of washing the jockstraps. Usually those guys are around the locker room and know what's going on.
Coach Lever has been in the program for a few years. He was just promoted this year to full fledged assistant.
I'm not sure what he was smokin, but I have nothing to do with the program except that I love Weber State Basketball! Not my place to try to correct an idiots rants! Lever was not coaching previously, he was a glorified gopher that earned a coaching spot. I think he deserves a chance to grow into the position.webergrad02 said:youngguns said:I don't have a clue what's going on in the locker room at Weber State.
My comments on Lever and Smiley are that you can't judged their performance based on one year. You can if the incompetence continues next season. I don't think it will!
According to a poster a few weeks ago, you were the team laundry specialist in charge of washing the jockstraps. Usually those guys are around the locker room and know what's going on.
Coach Lever has been in the program for a few years. He was just promoted this year to full fledged assistant.
Midmajor??
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I looked at the topic of this post a couple of times and he does ask a valid question. The problem is no one wants to address the question.
If we judge success by winning the BSC.... I believe that Rahe can get us back. If we judge success by NCAA tourney play and being competitive against D1 programs in OOC play...... Maybe Rahe isn't the guy. I'm not sure of the answer. The BSC is a conference that we should in my mind win every year. We should never miss the tourney, never ever have a losing record. It's one of the worst conferences in D1. Yet, we're battling SUU for the final spot in the tourney. A team that swept us this year. Something is terribly wrong this year and the AD and coach aren't talking.
How do we reach the next level without a change? We are compensating our coaches and playing in a facility which frankly does not align with a losing team in the BSC. We have a former player who's one of the best in the NBA, but out of 371 d1 teams we rank around 300.
I'm not sure where the program is going, but I'm not confident it's the right direction.
Maybe it's time to at least have the conversation?
If we judge success by winning the BSC.... I believe that Rahe can get us back. If we judge success by NCAA tourney play and being competitive against D1 programs in OOC play...... Maybe Rahe isn't the guy. I'm not sure of the answer. The BSC is a conference that we should in my mind win every year. We should never miss the tourney, never ever have a losing record. It's one of the worst conferences in D1. Yet, we're battling SUU for the final spot in the tourney. A team that swept us this year. Something is terribly wrong this year and the AD and coach aren't talking.
How do we reach the next level without a change? We are compensating our coaches and playing in a facility which frankly does not align with a losing team in the BSC. We have a former player who's one of the best in the NBA, but out of 371 d1 teams we rank around 300.
I'm not sure where the program is going, but I'm not confident it's the right direction.
Maybe it's time to at least have the conversation?
LarrytheFarmer
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It blows me away how fast some supposed "fans" turn on this Coaching Staff and players. How soon you forget that this same program went to the NCAA's LAST YEAR.
There aren't many other programs in the Big Sky that has had the continued success that we have enjoyed here.
This season is a down year, that happens. It's not like WSU is headed to the cellar to live for the next 5 years or something. :roll:
Sit back, relax, and appreciate what we DO have here at WSU. :twocents:
There aren't many other programs in the Big Sky that has had the continued success that we have enjoyed here.
This season is a down year, that happens. It's not like WSU is headed to the cellar to live for the next 5 years or something. :roll:
Sit back, relax, and appreciate what we DO have here at WSU. :twocents:
Midmajor??
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So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
Cats meow!
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Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
I think your question is legitimate, but what you're missing out on is that for most a Weber fans, winning the BSC and making the tourney is a huge success. They'd like to beat BYU, USU and Utah, but if all else fails just win the BSC. Rahe knows that and that's what he aspires to every year. I hate Nail's post because it makes us face a reality that we don't want to face...,.. That Rahe might not be able to get us to a different definition of success than we have today.
You don't acheive the success of Gonzaga and other small college programs unless you have a vision. Weber does not have a vision that takes us any higher than winning the BSC. That lack of vision isn't Rahes fault. It's the University and its fans. We've gotten comfortable being ok. We're afraid to take the risk to aspire to do more. I'd like to see the school aspire to perform at a level where our RPI isn't more than 125. Seems ok to aspire to have a program in the top 1/3 of all D1 schools. Just winning the BSC and losing to OOC schools is going to keep us at the 200-280 RPI range forever. Maybe that's what our fans want?
Is that the point that Rustynail is missing? That he wants more for the program than what the fans and school wants?
Cats meow! said:Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
I think your question is legitimate, but what you're missing out on is that for most a Weber fans, winning the BSC and making the tourney is a huge success. They'd like to beat BYU, USU and Utah, but if all else fails just win the BSC. Rahe knows that and that's what he aspires to every year. I hate Nail's post because it makes us face a reality that we don't want to face...,.. That Rahe might not be able to get us to a different definition of success than we have today.
You don't acheive the success of Gonzaga and other small college programs unless you have a vision. Weber does not have a vision that takes us any higher than winning the BSC. That lack of vision isn't Rahes fault. It's the University and its fans. We've gotten comfortable being ok. We're afraid to take the risk to aspire to do more. I'd like to see the school aspire to perform at a level where our RPI isn't more than 125. Seems ok to aspire to have a program in the top 1/3 of all D1 schools. Just winning the BSC and losing to OOC schools is going to keep us at the 200-280 RPI range forever. Maybe that's what our fans want?
Is that the point that Rustynail is missing? That he wants more for the program than what the fans and school wants?
The theme of Weber atheltics: JUST ENOUGH.
SWeberCat02
Active member
talhadfoursteals said:Cats meow! said:Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
I think your question is legitimate, but what you're missing out on is that for most a Weber fans, winning the BSC and making the tourney is a huge success. They'd like to beat BYU, USU and Utah, but if all else fails just win the BSC. Rahe knows that and that's what he aspires to every year. I hate Nail's post because it makes us face a reality that we don't want to face...,.. That Rahe might not be able to get us to a different definition of success than we have today.
You don't acheive the success of Gonzaga and other small college programs unless you have a vision. Weber does not have a vision that takes us any higher than winning the BSC. That lack of vision isn't Rahes fault. It's the University and its fans. We've gotten comfortable being ok. We're afraid to take the risk to aspire to do more. I'd like to see the school aspire to perform at a level where our RPI isn't more than 125. Seems ok to aspire to have a program in the top 1/3 of all D1 schools. Just winning the BSC and losing to OOC schools is going to keep us at the 200-280 RPI range forever. Maybe that's what our fans want?
Is that the point that Rustynail is missing? That he wants more for the program than what the fans and school wants?
The theme of Weber atheltics: JUST ENOUGH.
I agree. And too many complacent fans who don't expect better.
Cats meow! said:Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
I think your question is legitimate, but what you're missing out on is that for most a Weber fans, winning the BSC and making the tourney is a huge success. They'd like to beat BYU, USU and Utah, but if all else fails just win the BSC. Rahe knows that and that's what he aspires to every year. I hate Nail's post because it makes us face a reality that we don't want to face...,.. That Rahe might not be able to get us to a different definition of success than we have today.
You don't acheive the success of Gonzaga and other small college programs unless you have a vision. Weber does not have a vision that takes us any higher than winning the BSC. That lack of vision isn't Rahes fault. It's the University and its fans. We've gotten comfortable being ok. We're afraid to take the risk to aspire to do more. I'd like to see the school aspire to perform at a level where our RPI isn't more than 125. Seems ok to aspire to have a program in the top 1/3 of all D1 schools. Just winning the BSC and losing to OOC schools is going to keep us at the 200-280 RPI range forever. Maybe that's what our fans want?
Is that the point that Rustynail is missing? That he wants more for the program than what the fans and school wants?
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Great post! You're about to get your butt kicked because you're challenging a basketball community that is happy not rocking the boat. I don't think the guts of this discussion has nothing to do with coach Rahe! It's the suits in the building that don't have a vision for the long term. We pay our coaches at a level and provide support and facilities for the program at a higher level than we are getting in return. Expectations are an interesting phenomenon...... You always seem to be able to reach your expectations no matter how low you set them. Someday we have to set ours higher than just winning the BSC. I like the RPI goal! What would it take to get there?
Here are my standards of success:
1. be in the running to win the BSC regular season championship
2. win the regular season championship
3. win the conference tournament
4. win at least 20 games
5. win a game in the NCAA tournament
So, if the 1st item is met I consider the year to be mildly successful. The more items that are met the more successful the season.
To all those who think that the University big wigs don't care about how successful Weber State athletics is, I must say you are dead wrong. The University has a standard of (I believe it is) 4 or 5 conference championships each year. The University big wigs recognize the value of successful athletic teams to the general university population and the surrounding community. Does this mean they are successful every year? No. But it is a specific goal.
1. be in the running to win the BSC regular season championship
2. win the regular season championship
3. win the conference tournament
4. win at least 20 games
5. win a game in the NCAA tournament
So, if the 1st item is met I consider the year to be mildly successful. The more items that are met the more successful the season.
To all those who think that the University big wigs don't care about how successful Weber State athletics is, I must say you are dead wrong. The University has a standard of (I believe it is) 4 or 5 conference championships each year. The University big wigs recognize the value of successful athletic teams to the general university population and the surrounding community. Does this mean they are successful every year? No. But it is a specific goal.
PURPLEFORLIFE
Active member
This is a good discussion. The university at large seems not to care about setting challenging goals. It seems committed to doing everything necessary to just slide by (I don't want to agree with Tal. It is a moral imperative that I don't).
Our AD is a good guy, but he isn't really challenging the established status quo for our programs. I would want to do more and really drive athletics potential. Basketball should always be at the top. He should be committed to building a sought after and desired product. Not something you have to beg the community to attend by handing out free tickets.
There are no excuses why the Dee is partially full. His goal should be to see lines forming, wanting to bust down the doors, hours before the games. Students camping out to get into the building. The campus should be covered with information and that goes for the community. Rahe and his coaches should be all over the community during the off season building excitement. The AD is the overall leader of athletics. He is the man that ultimately needs to be held responsible.
It is an issue of product imaging. How is it seen by the community, student body, fans, media, and potential fans? How is he driving its development?
Our AD is a good guy, but he isn't really challenging the established status quo for our programs. I would want to do more and really drive athletics potential. Basketball should always be at the top. He should be committed to building a sought after and desired product. Not something you have to beg the community to attend by handing out free tickets.
There are no excuses why the Dee is partially full. His goal should be to see lines forming, wanting to bust down the doors, hours before the games. Students camping out to get into the building. The campus should be covered with information and that goes for the community. Rahe and his coaches should be all over the community during the off season building excitement. The AD is the overall leader of athletics. He is the man that ultimately needs to be held responsible.
It is an issue of product imaging. How is it seen by the community, student body, fans, media, and potential fans? How is he driving its development?
PURPLEFORLIFE
Active member
WSUProf said:Here are my standards of success:
1. be in the running to win the BSC regular season championship
2. win the regular season championship
3. win the conference tournament
4. win at least 20 games
5. win a game in the NCAA tournament
So, if the 1st item is met I consider the year to be mildly successful. The more items that are met the more successful the season.
To all those who think that the University big wigs don't care about how successful Weber State athletics is, I must say you are dead wrong. The University has a standard of (I believe it is) 4 or 5 conference championships each year. The University big wigs recognize the value of successful athletic teams to the general university population and the surrounding community. Does this mean they are successful every year? No. But it is a specific goal.
I can agree with this. I'm sure Tal will have a long drawn out rebuttal showing how there is a conspiracy on campus to bring down the university. I can't wait. :rofl:
WSUProf said:Here are my standards of success:
1. be in the running to win the BSC regular season championship
2. win the regular season championship
3. win the conference tournament
4. win at least 20 games
5. win a game in the NCAA tournament
So, if the 1st item is met I consider the year to be mildly successful. The more items that are met the more successful the season.
To all those who think that the University big wigs don't care about how successful Weber State athletics is, I must say you are dead wrong. The University has a standard of (I believe it is) 4 or 5 conference championships each year. The University big wigs recognize the value of successful athletic teams to the general university population and the surrounding community. Does this mean they are successful every year? No. But it is a specific goal.
The only thing I would add and maybe it's already included in the 20 wins is a winning record in OOC and at least a split against in state D1 schools.
PURPLEFORLIFE said:WSUProf said:Here are my standards of success:
1. be in the running to win the BSC regular season championship
2. win the regular season championship
3. win the conference tournament
4. win at least 20 games
5. win a game in the NCAA tournament
So, if the 1st item is met I consider the year to be mildly successful. The more items that are met the more successful the season.
To all those who think that the University big wigs don't care about how successful Weber State athletics is, I must say you are dead wrong. The University has a standard of (I believe it is) 4 or 5 conference championships each year. The University big wigs recognize the value of successful athletic teams to the general university population and the surrounding community. Does this mean they are successful every year? No. But it is a specific goal.
I can agree with this. I'm sure Tal will have a long drawn out rebuttal showing how there is a conspiracy on campus to bring down the university. I can't wait. :rofl:
Seriously, what is your issue? It seems like you are borderline obsessed with me. You must be one of the many sir velo alter egos. Dude you need to find a hobbie.
Anyway, my question is to rusty to tell us what his measure is? Not trying to argue just interested.
For me, I'd add in...never losing to SUU and UVU
The University also has a goal of getting a certain number of people to attend university events each year. Clearly, significant attendance at the basketball games is crucial to meeting that number.
So, if the university is not meeting its goal then discussions will be had on what changes need to be made in order to do so in the future.
So, if the university is not meeting its goal then discussions will be had on what changes need to be made in order to do so in the future.
Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
If you think it's been tough beating USU, Utah, and BYU wait a few years. The gap is only going to get wider. Weber had a chance to be a savior for the WAC along with the top BSC teams. Instead they played it safe and let the WAC implode into it's current form, while the BSC overbloated itself with mediocre teams. USU improved it's conference, Utah hugely improved, and it's only a matter of time until BYU is also power 5. Pie in the sky fan hopes we win every in-state game at home and occasionally steal one on the road, realist fan, UVU, SUU are our peers now. The conference gamble has or will paid off for the Aggies, Utes, and Cougars.
wsucatfan said:Midmajor?? said:So what do we have? Should we be able to compete against BYU, USU and Utah? Should we expect to win OOC? Should we expect to be one or two in the BSC every year! What is success to you! I'm not saying I disagree, just want to hear your standards for success?
If you think it's been tough beating USU, Utah, and BYU wait a few years. The gap is only going to get wider. Weber had a chance to be a savior for the WAC along with the top BSC teams. Instead they played it safe and let the WAC implode into it's current form, while the BSC overbloated itself with mediocre teams. USU improved it's conference, Utah hugely improved, and it's only a matter of time until BYU is also power 5. Pie in the sky fan hopes we win every in-state game at home and occasionally steal one on the road, realist fan, UVU, SUU are our peers now. The conference gamble has or will paid off for the Aggies, Utes, and Cougars.
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THIS IS A SAD DAY!! We are admitting to being peers with UVU and SUU. Ugh!
I don't see BYU getting into the Big 12 (that is their only option after all), but they have the resources to really make the most out of being independent. It is only a matter of time that the WCC will be on par with the MWC. BYU's membership is making the WCC a high mid-major. Weber's destiny is in its own hands. Gotta build a bigger treasury from which to pay to play at home. That is where marketing comes in. Bovee has got to see that.
