Higgins

[SWeberCat02]

I've said it numerous times, and will say it again: "Weber doesn't win when Higgins turns the ball over more than once." That was the case again today. Am I the only one that sees this? I ask this because I never get any response when I say it. I blame all 4 losses this year on Higgins turning the ball over.

 

[wildkyle]

I think Higgins has hurt the team with some of his passes. Every game we lost he has made the same mistakes. We need to bounce back in two weeks. The tv people talked about our opponents the next two games how tough they are and if we maybe win maybe we can end the season on a good note.

 

[wsucatfan]

I've said it numerous times, and will say it again: "Weber doesn't win when Higgins turns the ball over more than once." That was the case again today. Am I the only one that sees this? I ask this because I never get any response when I say it. I blame all 4 losses this year on Higgins turning the ball over.

Higgins can win games for us and lose games for us. He is a gunslinger, and takes chances. Most of the time he is money but when he is off, like today, and the WY game we take it in the shorts.

That said he is a heck of a player, and as long as he is our QB I will never count us out of any game.

You have to give some props for Montana though, they got up on us early and we had to abandon the run, which we never really got going but for 1 series. The team and fans need to have a short memory, bounce back in two weeks to take it to NAU and finish the season strong.

 

[wordup]

Not every interception Higgins throws is his fault. They run read routes a lot and if the receiver gets his reads wrong, its going to end up as a pick. About two thirds of all his interceptions came because a receiver was not where he was supposed to be. Remember, if there were no Cameron Higgins you would not see the words "WSU" and "playoffs" in the same sentence.

 

[weberwildcat]

It is also worth noting that Higgins is the best QB in WSU history for those that have forgot.
Remember the state of the program before Cam's first start?
Higgins is like Boyette, as long as he's on the field anything can happen.
4 picks last game but 10,000 yards in 2.5 yrs worth of starts.

 

[wsucatfan]

It is also worth noting that Higgins is the best QB in WSU history for those that have forgot.
Remember the state of the program before Cam's first start?

AMEN!

 

[wsucatfan]

Not every interception Higgins throws is his fault. They run read routes a lot and if the receiver gets his reads wrong, its going to end up as a pick. About two thirds of all his interceptions came because a receiver was not where he was supposed to be. Remember, if there were no Cameron Higgins you would not see the words "WSU" and "playoffs" in the same sentence.

Personally I think our real issue is having so many new 1st year coaches. It takes time to get things figured out no matter how good you or your team is. What do we have 4-5 new coaches? USU Anderson really bent us over when he took so many of our coaches. But Mac will get this new group gellin.

 

[weberdude]

Good point about WSU losing when Higgins turns the ball over. Weber got lucky a couple of times during the Northern Colorado game when he threw into double and triple coverage. Those aren't blown read-routes!

Higgins is the best QB in Weber State history? You're either kidding or you weren't around to see some of the greats. I like Higgins, but I can think of at least five other QBs who'd I'd take over him for my Weber State fantasy team--and my first pick is Jamie Martin.

This year (before the Montana game in particular) I heard talk about how Higgins was the best QB in the FCS subdivision. I didn't buy it because the point was based only on Total Yards. At this point, Higgins is 10th in total yards and 29th in pass efficiency.

 

[native]

I've said it numerous times, and will say it again: "Weber doesn't win when Higgins turns the ball over more than once." That was the case again today. Am I the only one that sees this? I ask this because I never get any response when I say it. I blame all 4 losses this year on Higgins turning the ball over.

Your analyses have not gone unnoticed, WeberCat. When all the other parts of the team have been working, the Wildcats have clearly succeeded or failed with Cam since the middle of the 2007 season.

Yes, Higgins is gunslinger, but so it Brett Favre. Good coaching can harness the power of such elite but erratic players. Unfortunately, Mac can't do it by himself, and it's danged hard to do it on the cheap! Our new, inexperienced young coaches have obviously got some things to work out and can't be expected to succeed right away. Hopefully, they are learning their lessons. Ultimately, I trust and back Mac!

Higgins has been a disappointment in several games this year, but as another Wag has already noted, he also took us to to the playoffs last year. He could still do it this year! We still have a chance to go to the playoffs as the Big Sky at-large bid, if we win out convincingly against NAU and CP, and a couple of other teams around the country lose some key games.

In any case, Cam and his teammates "brung us to the dance," and I am not ready to abandon him or the rest of the team! The dance is still a heckuva lot of fun even if you don't get picked for Homecoming King!

 

[native]

Not every interception Higgins throws is his fault. They run read routes a lot and if the receiver gets his reads wrong, its going to end up as a pick. About two thirds of all his interceptions came because a receiver was not where he was supposed to be. Remember, if there were no Cameron Higgins you would not see the words "WSU" and "playoffs" in the same sentence.

Good points!

 

[SWeberCat02]

I'm glad to get some response on this subject. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Cameron Higgins fan. I don't think Weber would have had the success they have had over the past two years without him. It's just hard to ignore that in the four games Weber has lost this year he had five (Wyoming), three (Colorado St, including the fumble on the potentially winning drive), three (Montana St), and four (Montana) turnovers. Sure there were other factors in those losses, but turnovers (especially by your QB) has to be the number one reason for losing.

That said, my summary of the season thus far is this: I'm not that surprised that Weber is 5-4. Before the season began I was predicting four losses to this point (although I thought Weber would have lost at Eastern Washington and not at home to Montana St). Although Weber has four losses, they are only two plays away from being 7-2. So really, Weber only has themselves and their difficult schedule (you can thank the athletic department and the Big Sky for that)to thank for being 5-4. In at least two, and perhaps three, of their losses, they beat themselves. Potential and talent wise, this team could be 8-1 right now, and should be 7-2. And the schedule has been brutal. Two road games at FBS schools (including long bus rides). Nine straight weeks to start the season without a bye, including eight straight prior to the most difficult game of the year (at Montana). But regardless of what happens in the final two weeks of the season, it's been a fun, albeit frustrating, year.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

Other than Jamie Martin, Higgins is the best QB in school history. Higs has the chance of breaking virtually all of Martin's records before he graduates. Also, Higgins, could take Weber to the playoffs again this season, and could do it again next. Higgins did, also, win a BIG SKY Championship (I LOVE MARTIN though, but he is the only other QB in Weber State history I would take other than Higs, so Weberdude, whose the other four: PIZZARO, BARNES, WOODS, GLADWELL).

I put a lot of the blame on a coaching staff that cant decide whether Weber runs a spread offense or a power offense. I for one think that Freeman was and is a poor choice for OC and that Hammer is biased toward the run, since he was and is the RB coach. Its been tough trying to balance the game between two Walter Payton Candidates. The play calling has been predictable and biased. According to members of the team, the coaches went away fromt he game plan against Montana, because of the first pick. They, the coaches, started calling plays that A.WEREN'T working (power runs) and B.The team isn't use to.

 

[smjcpa1]

There are a couple of other QB's worth noting. Tim Bernel, Brad Otten(transferred to USC and won natl championship) and Dave Stireman. So there are quite a few QB that have been really good.

 

[weberdude]

This could open the door for ridicule, but I'll take that chance. Keep in mind, comparing one QB to another based solely on statistics does not factor in the supporting cast. There is no way of knowing how one QB would perform with another QB's offensive line, backs, and so on. As you know, it's almost completely subjective. The only argument I can muster if I disagree with your opinion is this: "You must be crazy!"

Here's how I rate them (and feel free to post your own rankings):

1. Jamie Martin (89-92)
2. Jeff Carlson (84-88)
3. Dave Stireman (84-85?)
4. Brad Otton (93)
5. Roger Cook (95-96)

Other notable QBs should include Tim Jones (65-66), Morris Bledsoe (77-78), Bryan Martin (94?), and yes even Tyler Gladwell (2001). I'd like to include Josh Heupel (1997), but he played sparingly (though impressively) as a freshman. I know you were joking N.OgdenCat, but I was a Tyler Gladwell fan, and I still think he could have been higher on that list if it hadn't been for a college-credit miscue (which ultimately took away what would have been his senior year). He could flat play, and he may have had the least talent around him of any QBs on my list.

What's your take?

 

[wordup]

Big Sky Championships... How many quarterbacks brought home a Big Sky Championship. Whether Higgins is the best QB in WSU history I'm not sure, but he has the highest passer rating, completion percentage and interception to touchdown ratio. And he will soon hold the record for most yards and touchdowns... and he will do it throwing more than 100 less passes than Martin did. oh, yeah, and a Big Sky Championship. That's a pretty strong case.

 

[weberwildcat]

This could open the door for ridicule, but I'll take that chance. Keep in mind, comparing one QB to another based solely on statistics does not factor in the supporting cast. There is no way of knowing how one QB would perform with another QB's offensive line, backs, and so on. As you know, it's almost completely subjective. The only argument I can muster if I disagree with your opinion is this: "You must be crazy!"

Here's how I rate them (and feel free to post your own rankings):

1. Jamie Martin (89-92)
2. Jeff Carlson (84-88)
3. Dave Stireman (84-85?)
4. Brad Otton (93)
5. Roger Cook (95-96)

Other notable QBs should include Tim Jones (65-66), Morris Bledsoe (77-78), Bryan Martin (94?), and yes even Tyler Gladwell (2001). I'd like to include Josh Heupel (1997), but he played sparingly (though impressively) as a freshman. I know you were joking N.OgdenCat, but I was a Tyler Gladwell fan, and I still think he could have been higher on that list if it hadn't been for a college-credit miscue (which ultimately took away what would have been his senior year). He could flat play, and he may have had the least talent around him of any QBs on my list.

What's your take?

I cant believe you are serious comparing QB's who played 1 yr to higgins. I could careless about someone that played here one year and transferred, that isn't even worth mentioning.

Higgins will graduate with 14,000+ yards, what do those 5 you named do (of course besides Martin)?

 

[weberwildcat]

Big Sky Championships... How many quarterbacks brought home a Big Sky Championship. Whether Higgins is the best QB in WSU history I'm not sure, but he has the highest passer rating, completion percentage and interception to touchdown ratio. And he will soon hold the record for most yards and touchdowns... and he will do it throwing more than 100 less passes than Martin did. oh, yeah, and a Big Sky Championship. That's a pretty strong case.

Agreed, not to dis Martin but Cam has a big sky title and a playoff win. Martin's teams didn't do that. Higgins still has another yr and we might be in the playoffs.

Are you all saying 2 possible title and 3 possible playoffs isn't as good as 5 others? Please...

Do you remember Pizzaro? That was WSU fball before Higgins.

 

[weberwildcat]

Ill post my top 5 list next year when Cam graduates but I can tell you now the list is 2 deep.

 

[weberdude]

Dear catcat: "You must be crazy!"

How could you possibly disagree with my list? It's a great list, probably one of the greatest lists ever in the history of internet-forum lists.

Seriously, that's how I rank 'em. Who's on your Top-Five list? I promise not to make fun of you.

 

[ajwildcat]

Big Sky Championships... How many quarterbacks brought home a Big Sky Championship. Whether Higgins is the best QB in WSU history I'm not sure, but he has the highest passer rating, completion percentage and interception to touchdown ratio. And he will soon hold the record for most yards and touchdowns... and he will do it throwing more than 100 less passes than Martin did. oh, yeah, and a Big Sky Championship. That's a pretty strong case.

Agreed, not to dis Martin but Cam has a big sky title and a playoff win. Martin's teams didn't do that. Higgins still has another yr and we might be in the playoffs.

Are you all saying 2 possible title and 3 possible playoffs isn't as good as 5 others? Please...

Do you remember Pizzaro? That was WSU fball before Higgins.

Hey don't you dare throw my boy Pizzaro under the bus like that. He was FAR better than any WSU quarterback at throwing pick 6's for the other teams defense.
Pizzaro may be the only QB to ever throw more TD's to the other team than his own.
He truly was a legend. :lol: :lol: