Holiday Tournament Utah Schools

[n.ogdencat]

I know this has been mentioned in the past, I believe by Wildcat, but Jim Burton just brought this idea up in a column he wrote about Larry K. He mentions at the end how disappointing it is that the Utes are not on the Wildcat's schedule because they feel they are soo high and mighty.

I kinda like the idea of a Utah Holiday Classic, but...

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[heyoh22]

Sad that the Utes are too "important" to play lowly Weber State. Even with the close proximity, it just makes sense for building fan base and interest in the programs.

Utah was ranked 9 in the USA TOday coaches poll in Pac-12. ! :yikes:

 

[ajwildcat]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

 

[wsucatfan]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

We didn't lose the Aggie home game when we played in the cheesy classic, keep the H & H and add the tourney with a local televised draw for opponents every year, it would be fun...

 

[weberwildcat]

1996 and 1999 we played usu in salt lake, we did win both games.

from 1993-1999 we hosted usu just twice, a 7 game span. the 7 games prior to that was 1989-1992. in that range we hosted usu 4 times. then next 7 game span after was 2000 to 2006, we hosted usu 4 times.

looks like 1993 is when playing twice a yr ended.

if i was byu i would like this tourney then i could avoid logan. if i was utah i would like it to avoid logan and provo. if i was usu or weber i would not have interest. no one fears ogden, we dont ever get good home cook'n vs those schools. also they are confident to win in ogden even though historically they all have losing records in ogden. as for salt lake no one is scared to go there during the LK era.

 

[ajwildcat]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

We didn't lose the Aggie home game when we played in the cheesy classic, keep the H & H and add the tourney with a local televised draw for opponents every year, it would be fun...

When you look at the number of games you would add by playing this tourney, you would have to cut games out of the rest of your schedule. The NCAA sets a cap on how many games a team can play during the season.

 

[wsucatfan]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

We didn't lose the Aggie home game when we played in the cheesy classic, keep the H & H and add the tourney with a local televised draw for opponents every year, it would be fun...

When you look at the number of games you would add by playing this tourney, you would have to cut games out of the rest of your schedule. The NCAA sets a cap on how many games a team can play during the season.

So cut out Saint Katherine College and Northern New Mexico

 

[SWeberCat02]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

We didn't lose the Aggie home game when we played in the cheesy classic, keep the H & H and add the tourney with a local televised draw for opponents every year, it would be fun...

When you look at the number of games you would add by playing this tourney, you would have to cut games out of the rest of your schedule. The NCAA sets a cap on how many games a team can play during the season.

So cut out Saint Katherine College and Northern New Mexico

Amen!

 

[WeberSki]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

We didn't lose the Aggie home game when we played in the cheesy classic, keep the H & H and add the tourney with a local televised draw for opponents every year, it would be fun...

When you look at the number of games you would add by playing this tourney, you would have to cut games out of the rest of your schedule. The NCAA sets a cap on how many games a team can play during the season.

:roll:

 

[WILDCAT]

What would WSU's motivation be to sign up for this tournament? They would then lose their opportunity to host either BYU or USU every year. For what? to play the Utes in SLC? So then the highlight of WSU's non-conference home schedule would be what? maybe Grand Canyon U? As a season ticket holder I DO NOT want to lose the USU or BYU games in the DEE.
Screw the Mutes!!

Im with AJ on this one, home and home or bust.


Losing USU and BYU home games is not worth "being able" to play Utah. Home games are hard enough to come by anyway. Screw Utah, until they are willing to play us every year home and home I dont care if we ever see them on the schedule again.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

I'm a little bit on the fence about this one. I would not like to lose the H-n-H, especially with USU, however, a "Utah" tournament would be lots of fun and typically competitive basketball. Weber's home schedule is and has been atrocious, so making room on the schedule would not be a problem.

Try and keep the H-n-H with USU, let BYU and Pukes keep a H-n-H if they want to, have Weber and USU start the tournament against either BYU or the pukes but not each other, and rotate the tournament between schools and you got me completely sold. Even if it were only at the ESA but everything else was worked out, I'd be excited for it and would attend.

 

[Kiltman]

I'm a little bit on the fence about this one. I would not like to lose the H-n-H, especially with USU, however, a "Utah" tournament would be lots of fun and typically competitive basketball. Weber's home schedule is and has been atrocious, so making room on the schedule would not be a problem.

Try and keep the H-n-H with USU, let BYU and Pukes keep a H-n-H if they want to, have Weber and USU start the tournament against either BYU or the pukes but not each other, and rotate the tournament between schools and you got me completely sold. Even if it were only at the ESA but everything else was worked out, I'd be excited for it and would attend.

Me, too, but I like the prospect of bringing up Dixie State as a DII exempt contest and strengthening the sport throughout the state. I think a DI Dixie could also make a great addition to the BSC. Then we wouldn't have to worry about considering SUU as a forced rival.

Pardon the tangential thought processing.

The idea of a "27 game + exempt tournament schedule", with a rotating dual venue tourney might not be so bad. It could be hosted by WSU and USU one year, then UofU and BYU, then SUU and Dixie State. BYU is close enough that UVU can consider it a home game. And Westminster, NAIA I, can get in on the games as well. In the off years when it's in the south end of the state, not so many fans will travel, and it could bring some excitement to the sport by locals. SUU's Centrum Arena, cap. 5300, and DSC's Burns Arena, cap. 4779, should be able to handle the limited attendance and maybe even make some off-season tourism revenue.

I personally like the idea of having the Dee showcased at least every three years. It could also give us a Home-and-Home-and-Neutral schedule with all schools in the state. A true Utah showcase. There are so many ways that the idea could work, I think the concept should be explored.

I think I've gone off the deep-end now. Feel free to begin pointing out the faults in my late-night logic.

 

[weberwildcat]

If the was tourney this year?

In a 3 day event we would play usu, utah and byu at the jazz arena. We would remove usu from our home schedule and replace that game with say cs fullerton or cs Bakersfield.

It doesn't sound appealing for our home games but I think if I was usu I would do it. They have the best home schedule this yr they have ever seen. Utah only wants to play d2 and naia for another 2-3 yrs so the tourney would need to be byu, uvu, usu weber.

For some reason byu must refuse to play uvu. They never play. Is the travel inconvenient or not feasible?

 

[n.ogdencat]

I'm a little bit on the fence about this one. I would not like to lose the H-n-H, especially with USU, however, a "Utah" tournament would be lots of fun and typically competitive basketball. Weber's home schedule is and has been atrocious, so making room on the schedule would not be a problem.

Try and keep the H-n-H with USU, let BYU and Pukes keep a H-n-H if they want to, have Weber and USU start the tournament against either BYU or the pukes but not each other, and rotate the tournament between schools and you got me completely sold. Even if it were only at the ESA but everything else was worked out, I'd be excited for it and would attend.

Me, too, but I like the prospect of bringing up Dixie State as a DII exempt contest and strengthening the sport throughout the state. I think a DI Dixie could also make a great addition to the BSC. Then we wouldn't have to worry about considering SUU as a forced rival.

Pardon the tangential thought processing.

The idea of a "27 game + exempt tournament schedule", with a rotating dual venue tourney might not be so bad. It could be hosted by WSU and USU one year, then UofU and BYU, then SUU and Dixie State. BYU is close enough that UVU can consider it a home game. And Westminster, NAIA I, can get in on the games as well. In the off years when it's in the south end of the state, not so many fans will travel, and it could bring some excitement to the sport by locals. SUU's Centrum Arena, cap. 5300, and DSC's Burns Arena, cap. 4779, should be able to handle the limited attendance and maybe even make some off-season tourism revenue.

I personally like the idea of having the Dee showcased at least every three years. It could also give us a Home-and-Home-and-Neutral schedule with all schools in the state. A true Utah showcase. There are so many ways that the idea could work, I think the concept should be explored.

I think I've gone off the deep-end now. Feel free to begin pointing out the faults in my late-night logic.

Kilty, I think you have gone off the deep end. :lol: :lol: Dixie will never be in the Sky. Also, we don't want to make Dixie appear to be on the same level as Weber State. It is bad enough allowing SUU to think they are on the same level as Weber, but to add Dixie, that would be irreproachable. So Catcat... :rofl: :roll:

But, I do like you idea of having a Holiday "Utah Classic" esque tournament where the States Big 4 switched hosting rights each year. For instance, one year, Weber would host, next the Y, followed by the Aggies, and finally the Utes. Each institution has nice facilities and could facilitate games between the major 4. However, we don't want SUU in, because, well, hell we already play them twice a year since they are in the Sky. Dixie... :roll:, I do agree, if Weber is going to play DII's then we should bring in state teams first, along with Westminster who is a NAIA team. But...maybe coach Rahe has tried to get deals with those teams and they don't want to play us. Knowing Dixie, they probably think we should start a home and home with them.

Well, for the time being, I'm fine with replacing the utes with Utah Valley and maintaining a home and home with USU and BYU. I really like the in conference, instate, rivalry with SUU. I don't know why we would want to add any else to the Sky though. With Idaho joining next year, that is IT. :kisswink: 12 teams is enough. Weber is already going to be losing the opportunity of playing everyone twice in the Sky. Actually, I don't even like Idaho joining without bringing their football along with them. :tothehand:

 

[n.ogdencat]

If the was tourney this year?

In a 3 day event we would play usu, utah and byu at the jazz arena. We would remove usu from our home schedule and replace that game with say cs fullerton or cs Bakersfield.

It doesn't sound appealing for our home games but I think if I was usu I would do it. They have the best home schedule this yr they have ever seen. Utah only wants to play d2 and naia for another 2-3 yrs so the tourney would need to be byu, uvu, usu weber.

For some reason byu must refuse to play uvu. They never play. Is the travel inconvenient or not feasible?

I don't like the idea of replacing BYU or USU with CS Lollerton or worse. Nobody will come to the Dee. The Wizard talked at length about that issue earlier this month at the media day. Good teams won't come here. Look what happened in the CIT. MW Conference Air Force got owned by the Cats. And Air Force was acting like they should have been an automatic NIT team. Looool

I think a Utah Classic type tourny would be fun and the pressure would be too much for the Utes not to join in. But having it only at the Jazz home would be kinda a waste. It would be more fun if it was hosted by a specific school each year, but that would hurt our home court OOC games three out of four years.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Chris Hill wants an in-state tournament

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[oldrunner]

I like the idea of rotating, split venues. Anything less than that is garbage for this kind of an event. Of course the Mutes will not go for this because they are too good for the State of Utah now. They have already petitioned for annexation into California. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

 

[weberwildcat]

A rotating venue would be cool. My vote, if I had one, would be against hill's idea. It still means no Utes in ogden and it would also mean no byu or usu in ogden. Y would I want no byu or usu in ogden? Utes ain't comin either way as of 2012 so it would just make our home schedule worse.

Its a great idea for utes since they fraid of ogden and logan.

 

[AlumniWSU]

The instate H & H games with USU, BYU & U (former humble version of Utes) were hard fought for by Weber State, I remember how difficult it was to get the Big Bros to cave in & play them. The most that Weber St can hope for with the overly proud Utes basketball program is to play them in SLC, so if they want to play at the ESA instead of the Huntsman, great. BUT DO NOT GIVE UP THE PRESENT ARRANGEMENT WITH BYU & USU!!!!! Note that concerning a tournament that takes it away, USU's AD is critical, rightfully so, Bovee & Rahe should be very careful as well, it would be a net LOSS for Weber's best interests. :nod:

 

[weberwildcat]

Y would byu join this? They already play usu in the jazz stadium, twice in last 7 yrs. They still get H & H with utes. They never lose in ogden.

I see only utes benefiting if this were to happen which I don't.

Usu scheduled a H & H with utes. So its only weber not playing utes soon.....utes not playing weber I meant.

What about uvu and suu?