Hornets lose another one

[StungAlum]

Okay, I know this year wasnt supposed to be much better than last year, but come on. I cant stand losing like this, it's humiliating. The team is only averaging 57.75 ppg, what the crap! :x

 

[OldHornet]

I think it's way to early to be discouraged by this team. Any team that starts the season with four straight road games is going to have a difficult time. In reality only two of the games were really winnable - UCR and CSUB.

The other issue is that this team hasn't played together, and that's one of the reasons they're struggling on the offensive end - especially the turnovers. They only have 3 returning players, that's like starting a program from ground zero!

I think this team is significantly better than last year, and as the season goes on they'll win some games. They do some things we haven't seen here in the DI era - they rebound (Off. and Def.), the play solid Defense, and they have a respectable shooting percentage. The shooting percentage is a reflection of their ability to finally score in the paint - they also don't seem to take really bad shots (even Leath). More than anything else they seemed to play hard and with some discipline.

This isn't going to be a great year, but it will be much better than last year. I predict 9-20 (3-8, then 6-10 in BSC). Give Katz a chance before you throw in the towel - let him have a few home games at least.

GO HORNETS!!

 

[Kadeezy]

I think it's way to early to be discouraged by this team. Any team that starts the season with four straight road games is going to have a difficult time. In reality only two of the games were really winnable - UCR and CSUB.

The other issue is that this team hasn't played together, and that's one of the reasons they're struggling on the offensive end - especially the turnovers. They only have 3 returning players, that's like starting a program from ground zero!

I think this team is significantly better than last year, and as the season goes on they'll win some games. They do some things we haven't seen here in the DI era - they rebound (Off. and Def.), the play solid Defense, and they have a respectable shooting percentage. The shooting percentage is a reflection of their ability to finally score in the paint - they also don't seem to take really bad shots (even Leath). More than anything else they seemed to play hard and with some discipline.

This isn't going to be a great year, but it will be much better than last year. I predict 9-20 (3-8, then 6-10 in BSC). Give Katz a chance before you throw in the towel - let him have a few home games at least.

GO HORNETS!!

Good points, OH. But, don't let the shooting percentage statistic fool you. When you have the ability to pressure opponents into 20+ turnovers/game you get a lot more shots (under Jenkins). Don't get me wrong, I like what Katz is trying to do, but I don't think we'll see results for another 3 years or so.

I still think this is a team that wins 2 or 3 non-conference games and wins 2 or 3 BSC games. I'd put the total at 4 wins to 6 wins...

 

[SDHornet]

I agree with the 4-6 wins this year. What can you expect from a team that plays in a gym that BARELY rivals most high school gyms? Until the basketball facilities issue is addressed, there is no reason to expect or hope for a winning season.

 

[superhornet]

I still have faith in Katz. We WILL make the conference tournament. I guarantee it.

 

[SDHornet]

As long as he beats davis.

By the way, does anyone know the status of the new gym? I know there was a push for it when I was a student, and Pres Gonzales did some fund raising which was suppose to go to the gym but Gonzo pulled a fast one and spent the money on the Board Building instead. I have done a few searches on the Sac State website but nothing comes up other than a couple of three year old State Hornet articles. Does anyone have a status report?

 

[Kadeezy]

Ever hear of a Bait and Switch? Regardless, I have to commend Gonzo on what he has done on campus, but I still think the arena/event center is desperately needed...

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

With this economic climate and the Queens building a new arena at Cal Expo, you can kiss the Sac State arena goodbye.

 

[SDHornet]

I'm only an NBA fan in June, but I know enough to say that the billionaire Maloofs will never front any of their own money for a new Kings arena, so unless the Sac voters give them an arena I can't see one being built. Coming from a city that gave a stadium to a multi-millionaire residential property tycoon (John Moores, SD Padres) on the taxpayers dime, it doesn't work out to well so good luck.

 

[StungAlum]

With this economic climate and the Queens building a new arena at Cal Expo, you can kiss the Sac State arena goodbye.

I agree, but there is potential in making the new Kings arena the home of Hornets basketball.

 

[OldHornet]

[ But, don't let the shooting percentage statistic fool you. When you have the ability to pressure opponents into 20+ turnovers/game you get a lot more shots (under Jenkins). /quote]

Kadeezy,

I understand your point but there are other things that play into Jenkins style of play. They did get more shots but that was because he over played the passing lanes. When this happens you're always out of defensive position because you're guessing on every play. That means you give up a lot of easy shots and you're never in position to rebound. The fact that the Hornets are rebounding on both ends of the floor is a testimate to proper coaching - Jenkins ran a very undisciplined program. From a basketball perspective, things are already significantly better. Unfortunately because of the mass player turnover and a curious schedule they're off to a very slow start. Things will get better.

As for the gym, I'm really tired of people using that as an excuse - someone please explain how two different coaches have taken PSU to win the BSC twice in the last 5 years? They have almost an identical gym - must be something else involved - GOOD COACHING!

I have heard there is serious talk that they are going to expand the north gym to seat 3-4K as a bridge to eventually getting an arena. After much thought, I'm in favor of this even though it's not ideal. It will provide a better atmosphere. My understanding is that Katz was driving this and they're trying to raise the cash ($3-$4 mil).

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

We will have our arena before there is a new one for the Kings, especially at Cal Expo. The State will not let it get built unless there is a lot of mitigation to Business 80.

 

[SDHornet]

If they somehow turn a 60 year old building into a "bridge" to the new arena, I guarantee that there will never be a new arena for the Hornets. And to get anything seating 3-4k for $3-4 million is a complete joke. This "bridge" would then put the Hornets basketball/volleyball (whichever team who would benefit from a new arena) on the bottom of the to-build list.

Also nice facilities have a large part to do with success. A good coach will not spend his entire career in a gym that Sac State currently has. If a coach were to pull the basketball team out of the cellar and to the top of the conference, suitors with better facilities will come along and offer him more and then the basketball team is back to square one. Also name the last team that went deep in the NCAA tourny that had facilities that are comparable to Sac State? The fact is a new, bigger, better gym/arena is needed and Sac State should not wait for the Kings to make a move. If anything they can build a sweet a$$ arena and charge the Kings to play at their place.

 

[OldHornet]

If they somehow turn a 60 year old building into a "bridge" to the new arena, I guarantee that there will never be a new arena for the Hornets. And to get anything seating 3-4k for $3-4 million is a complete joke. This "bridge" would then put the Hornets basketball/volleyball (whichever team who would benefit from a new arena) on the bottom of the to-build list.

Also nice facilities have a large part to do with success. A good coach will not spend his entire career in a gym that Sac State currently has. If a coach were to pull the basketball team out of the cellar and to the top of the conference, suitors with better facilities will come along and offer him more and then the basketball team is back to square one. Also name the last team that went deep in the NCAA tourny that had facilities that are comparable to Sac State? The fact is a new, bigger, better gym/arena is needed and Sac State should not wait for the Kings to make a move. If anything they can build a sweet a$$ arena and charge the Kings to play at their place.

SD Hornet,

I love the passion, wish more fans were like you. But several schools with 4k seat gyms have gone deep in the tourney. Gonzaga and Charleston are two programs that had tremendous success in the tourney playing in 4k gyms. Davidsons "arena" only holds 5,200. We are a program that hasn't won in the DI era, I think we should be realistic and think about how to compete before we worry about going deep in the tourney.

 

[SDHornet]

SD Hornet,

I love the passion, wish more fans were like you. But several schools with 4k seat gyms have gone deep in the tourney. Gonzaga and Charleston are two programs that had tremendous success in the tourney playing in 4k gyms. Davidsons "arena" only holds 5,200. We are a program that hasn't won in the DI era, I think we should be realistic and think about how to compete before we worry about going deep in the tourney.

Ok I'll give you Gonzaga even though they are a small Jesuit school with only 7,000 students. I mean if we are going to put up a new arena, I feel that we should go big or go home. And there are not many "passionate" fans like me because we usually get kicked out of the game for standing up in the student section during the davis game! :x

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

Also nice facilities have a large part to do with success. A good coach will not spend his/her entire career in a gym that Sac State currently has.

I disagree.

Sincerely,
Debby Colberg

 

[Hornut]

The Queens can take a hike and move to Las Vegas, like we all know they want to do. I can't stand the Maldoofs anyway.

The focus in Sacramento should be on HORNET BASKETBALL and a new facility at Sac State.

I smell Idaho blood......

Go Hornets!

 

[SDHornet]

by SactoHornetAlum on Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:32 pm

SDHornet wrote:
Also nice facilities have a large part to do with success. A good coach will not spend his/her entire career in a gym that Sac State currently has.

I disagree.

Sincerely,
Debby Colberg

I stand corrected.

 

[OldHornet]

Before you get to done on the Hornets take a look at the records of their opponents thus far:

Fresno St 2-2
UCR 4-1
WSU 5-1
CSUB 3-2

Total 14-6

That's a pretty tough schedule considering all games have been on the road thus far.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

Bring on the renovated North Gym!!!! Seriously, it can be done rather well and that side of the building is not constrained by other buildings.