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Injuries

DefendtheRed

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Seems like we're already looking like a MASH unit only two games into the season. By my count, there were 13 players that did not suit up for this game. Anyone know how many of these guys are going to make the UW trip? Kupp, Butorac, and Hamlin are huge losses if they don't play.
 
My guess is that we'll see quite a few of the guys that sat this game out next Saturday. I'm sure Kupp would have played if they had let him, but why risk injury in a game like this. Same with Hamlin and a few of those other guys.

It was good to get a bunch of the younger guys some reps and kinda see what the future's going to be. I liked what I saw out of Haugen at DE.
 
DefendtheRed said:
Seems like we're already looking like a MASH unit only two games into the season. By my count, there were 13 players that did not suit up for this game. Anyone know how many of these guys are going to make the UW trip? Kupp, Butorac, and Hamlin are huge losses if they don't play.

All precautionary, don't worry about it...

No need to play those guys in a game like this...
 
The trend of guys sitting out is alarming, even if it didn't really matter for tonight's game. It is unfortunate that a couple the guys sitting out are guys who've missed a lot of time during their Eagle years already.

We need our trainers to stock up on cortisone and Toradol this year, it seems.

It sounds like Cange is effectively done for the year. That sucks for him.... And the whole team.
 
LDopaPDX said:
The trend of guys sitting out is alarming, even if it didn't really matter for tonight's game. It is unfortunate that a couple the guys sitting out are guys who've missed a lot of time during their Eagle years already.

We need our trainers to stock up on cortisone and Toradol this year, it seems.

It sounds like Cange is effectively done for the year. That sucks for him.... And the whole team.

What do you find alarming about players sitting out for precautionary reasons? I thought the coaching staff used good judgment in treating it much like the seasoned players sitting out the last fall scrimmage. This was definitely a game where we could afford to do it and should be getting some of the back ups game experience.

I really hope you're joking about the bolded statement.

If Cange is out and already used his RS year in 2011 that will give him just 1 year of eligibility left and he hasn't had much of an opportunity to play and show his stuff. Really a shame. Hope he recovers soon and completely.
 
I saw Hamlin down at the bars last night, He said he'll be playing at UW. He said he just had a bum ankle and wanted it rested for the game.
 
What happened with Cange? I saw that he had to come out of the game, but what was the nature of his injury that they're saying season ending?
 
EWURanger said:
What happened with Cange? I saw that he had to come out of the game, but what was the nature of his injury that they're saying season ending?

I don't know what info Dopa has, but Spokesman says he has a knee injury.
 
Rjones61 said:
EWURanger said:
What happened with Cange? I saw that he had to come out of the game, but what was the nature of his injury that they're saying season ending?

I don't know what info Dopa has, but Spokesman says he has a knee injury.

Tore his patella tendon. That's something that requires surgery and probably ends his season. With luck, maybe he can make it back in mid-November, but it might take even longer.
 
HannahO said:
LDopaPDX said:
The trend of guys sitting out is alarming, even if it didn't really matter for tonight's game. It is unfortunate that a couple the guys sitting out are guys who've missed a lot of time during their Eagle years already.

We need our trainers to stock up on cortisone and Toradol this year, it seems.

It sounds like Cange is effectively done for the year. That sucks for him.... And the whole team.

What do you find alarming about players sitting out for precautionary reasons? I thought the coaching staff used good judgment in treating it much like the seasoned players sitting out the last fall scrimmage. This was definitely a game where we could afford to do it and should be getting some of the back ups game experience.

I really hope you're joking about the bolded statement.

If Cange is out and already used his RS year in 2011 that will give him just 1 year of eligibility left and he hasn't had much of an opportunity to play and show his stuff. Really a shame. Hope he recovers soon and completely.

Injuries breed injuries. Guys who are hurt tend to stay hurt. It's an unfortunate reality.

The bold was meant a little tongue in cheek, but also has some truth. You aren't going to be in game form getting popped by morphine and propofol. Corticos and NSAIDs, on the other hand, are in every trainers office. They are the bread-and-butter meds of sports; they have almost no risk of addiction or overdose with lots of therapeutical value of reducing pain.
 
LDopaPDX said:
HannahO said:
LDopaPDX said:
The trend of guys sitting out is alarming, even if it didn't really matter for tonight's game. It is unfortunate that a couple the guys sitting out are guys who've missed a lot of time during their Eagle years already.

We need our trainers to stock up on cortisone and Toradol this year, it seems.

It sounds like Cange is effectively done for the year. That sucks for him.... And the whole team.

What do you find alarming about players sitting out for precautionary reasons? I thought the coaching staff used good judgment in treating it much like the seasoned players sitting out the last fall scrimmage. This was definitely a game where we could afford to do it and should be getting some of the back ups game experience.

I really hope you're joking about the bolded statement.

If Cange is out and already used his RS year in 2011 that will give him just 1 year of eligibility left and he hasn't had much of an opportunity to play and show his stuff. Really a shame. Hope he recovers soon and completely.

Injuries breed injuries. Guys who are hurt tend to stay hurt. It's an unfortunate reality.

The bold was meant a little tongue in cheek, but also has some truth. You aren't going to be in game form getting popped by morphine and propofol. Corticos and NSAIDs, on the other hand, are in every trainers office. They are the bread-and-butter meds of sports; they have almost no risk of addiction or overdose with lots of therapeutical value of reducing pain.

Please google toradol and overuse in sports to read about the multiple problems associated with it and other NSAIDs that's not limited to the pro level or football for that matter.

Here's an excerpt from one but there's many articles out there (that's why I said I hoped you were joking):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...36f4de-a1e9-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.html

A 2000 survey of NFL physicians found that 28 of 30 teams used Toradol injections on game days. Another study two years later found an average of 15 pregame injections per team. Players describe pregame lines of as many as two dozen players deep waiting for a shot or a pill. “No doubt about it, I was in that line,” Hall of Famer Warren Sapp said. “They’re like Tic Tacs. You walked in, you got it and you played the game.”

Toradol is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug — not a narcotic — and though it’s not addictive, it’s available only with a prescription. It’s often used to manage post-operative pain, and the drug is considered dangerous enough that some European countries have banned it, while others administer it only in hospitals. Among the potential side effects of overuse are kidney damage and gastrointestinal bleeding. In the case of NFL players it can be particularly problematic because it deadens feeling, inhibiting an athlete’s ability to feel pain and sense injury.

Physicians say the potential for side effects is heightened by the overuse of Toradol or the “stacking” of multiple drugs. Several players interviewed for this story said they typically used Toradol in combination with other nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs, over the course of a week.

Perhaps worst of all, because it is an anticoagulant, many fear it could exacerbate the effects of concussions. On that basis, as part of the massive concussion litigation brought by ex-players that the league is fighting in U.S. District Court, 11 former players have filed a lawsuit claiming their team doctors repeatedly treated them with Toradol without properly advising them of the dangers.
 
I get it with Toradol, I've heard some of this stuff before.

Look, I understand there are multiple points of view. And just as you provide source material, I could throw out many research studies showing Toradol and other NSAIDs are the safest painkillers out there. This stuff has been used for decades and it really hasn't been an issue until lawyers saw a profit-center that anyone noted a problem with it (or at least that's my point of view).

What concerns me is that it is hard for me to imagine what safer alternative is out there? If you have a strong medical background, I'd love to hear your thoughts. From the advice I've received, Toradol has always been considered the safest... Although, obviously any time you inject something there is going to be some inherent risk.
 
Interesting, while reading up, I did a search for "safest painkiller" and nearly every result came back saying NSAIDs (with a few fringe sites touting marijuana). Corticos were not considered as safe as Toradol and other NSAIDs because the steroidal PKs can cause abnormalities with central nervous system response to severe pain.

One of the sites went into fairly lengthy detail discussing that injected Toradol is safer than oral painkillers of nearly any sort simply because injecting directly into the body doesn't require the medication to be metabolized through the liver and kidneys. Most anti-inflammatory meds are known to cause problems with the liver and/or kidneys.
 
Kody Beckering- does any know if this guy ever enrolled at Eastern. He looked pretty good when I saw him in high school.
 
In today's Spokesman article, it was mentioned that CB Cange is lost for the season with an ACL injury. Speedy recovery to the young man, I thought he played well in the Sam Houston game. DL Pulu will not play against Washington, and RB's Wilson and Forte, C Butorac, WR Kupp, LB Hamlin, and S Tonani are listed as questionable. I doubt we'll know anything until game day, but that's a huge loss if even half of those guys can't play. The O Line looked much less impressive without Butorac playing against MW.
 
Yeah, the Coaches don't divulge anything about injuries, so it's anyone's guess. I don't remember Forte going out with any kind of injury against SHSU, so maybe it was something that happened in practice. Wilson, it just seems like that guy can't catch a break. Started and looked great against Oregon State last year and was basically injured the rest of the season and didn't play. Same deal with Tonani. :? But I agree, it's a little concerning when about 80% of your star players are listed as "questionable" going into a game like this. :ohno:
 
DefendtheRed said:
In today's Spokesman article, it was mentioned that CB Cange is lost for the season with an ACL injury. Speedy recovery to the young man, I thought he played well in the Sam Houston game. DL Pulu will not play against Washington, and RB's Wilson and Forte, C Butorac, WR Kupp, LB Hamlin, and S Tonani are listed as questionable. I doubt we'll know anything until game day, but that's a huge loss if even half of those guys can't play. The O Line looked much less impressive without Butorac playing against MW.

Nothing poor Cange can do, knees are easily destructible. Pulu seems like he's been hurt his entire Eastern career thus far. A couple other names among the questionable guys have had a rough ride as well.

We could easily find out every one of these players listed as questionable are playing on Saturday, and I suspect most will. But as of now, the sheer volume makes you wonder about our overall toughness. Again, we could find out all these guys play and it's water under the bridge, but it is always concerning to see this many out this early.

Butorac, despite being a real OL talent, is probably the most easily replaceable as Boatright is a good center option and if that doesn't work out, they could bring Neary to center, move Rogers to RG, and Cassidy Curtis as RT. Losing Hamlin and Tonani would be vicious to the team. Kupp, despite being arguably the best receiver in the FCS, is even easier to replace from our wealth of WR talent than Hamlin or Tonani.
 
By the end of the game UW corners and db's will be gassed chasing the wealth or WR's the Eagles will be rotating in and out.
What does the Huskies injury report look like? This is a game of chess coaches play pre-game.
 

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