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Is there any hope?

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LDopaPDX

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... just curious...

It seems like Eastern has played the lightest schedule that I can recall in a long time and the results have been excrutiating. The only favorable thing so far as I can tell is that the Big Sky is atrocious. What's the deal here?

Why does it seem like a thousand years ago that we used to be able to compete with darn near anyone and always finish in the top 2 or 3 of the conference? And what's up with the miserable attendance? Is it time to consider dropping b-ball?
 
Actually it was a very short window recently that we had success as far as I am concerned. I went to school during the John Wade tenure. :cry: And enjoyed a little of Aggers success.
Just for clarification I have watched the team four times this year and attended the ISU game during break. Still waiting for them to post my picture with Santa Swoop :lol:
They are very young and inconsistent. I really like the Jorg kid as he was hustling and aggressive taking the ball to the hoop. My only problem was when I watch Jorg in the ISU game he had 11 at the half and then ended up with 13 for the game either he disappeared or they stopped looking for him. Again going back to youth.
They do not look inside enough and tend to take way too many 3's as you can tell from the stats.
The other thing I noticed right off the bat is we have very very short guards. One of them is listed at 5-9 and I'm 5'11 and he did not even look 5-9.
I am not sure about Hayford's coaching style pretty interesting watching him on the sidelines, but I am willing to give him his 3/4 years.
Not sure if Chiverton will be back, but almost think it might be better to struggle this year and have the kids get the experience without him (addition by subtraction for later years). My 2 cents take it for what it is worth.
As far as attendance goes can't speak to that, but EWU has never really drawn well for hoops. Even when we were successful. I can only remember a handful of sell outs. I love what they have done with Reese Court and the video screen and production they put on made things very fun.
I have not really been following the rest of the Sky but if ISU is one of the projected bottom teams and we only beat them by a couple of points I can only assume we will struggle this year. Go Eags!
 
EWU98 said:
They are very young and inconsistent. I really like the Jorg kid as he was hustling and aggressive taking the ball to the hoop. My only problem was when I watch Jorg in the ISU game he had 11 at the half and then ended up with 13 for the game either he disappeared or they stopped looking for him. Again going back to youth.
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Alot of these players are very young and I think you hit the nail on the head regarding inconsistency. Also to give the older players their due, it is hard to know what to expect from new coaches.
The Jorg kid didn't play the last game but got a lay up with the minute he got on court against Weber State. Coach seems to be taking things easy with some of his new recruits. You probably meant the Jois kid from Australia. Daniel Hill, also from Australia, is starting to show promise. I believe this team will make it to the top five this year. Can't wait to see a game with Jorg, Seifert and Jois on court at the same time. No team will be able to cover all three of them :) Throw in a point guard and shooting guard and we will have absolute magic on the court.
Go team!
Go eags!
 
Well I said it once and I'll say it again. I'm a realist, and I don't know what the heck Hayford is even doing with the team. I've watched a couple games now and, to me, at least, there's nothing to be excited about as far as coaching goes. Tell me please, what offense does Hayford employ? If you watched the games, let me know. Young? absolutely, I'm documented saying so, but run something that looks like an offense, please. We are a D1 school not some NAIA institution where that one kid scored 130 points or whatever solely on threes. Young? Yes, but the basketball I've watched I can coach better. And you can too. At least when we're down by 20 run some sort of offense to practice but nope we chuck 3's.
 
The thing is that we've played an entire schedule of lower-end DI teams... just by the grace of God, you'd think we'd have a couple of decent shows in there. Beating a nobody like Idaho State by 3 at home is hardly inspiring. The comparison would be that our basketball team is to the Big Sky what Northern Colorado is to the football side. That is flat out unacceptable.

I give this coach another season before really pulling out the cost-benefit analysis of this program.
 
LDopa
I don't think it is acceptable for anyone. It is what it is. Think about it you lose Dean to Utah (BSC newcomer of the year) and then Chiverton. Losing Dean was and is HUGE! I don't blame him for leaving new coach and new situation/philosophy. You have a lot of young kiddos out there who have been beaten by some very bad teams.
So what does that make us . . .yep you guessed it . . . .unfortunately a bad team. I think he has some good pieces to the puzzle, but need more athletes out there.
He definitely has enough basketball players, but needs a couple of athletes who can just flat out get after it on D and fly down the court. I was thinking about the games I have seen last night and can't remember ever seeing our team go into a full court press or even try and trap. Would like to see that a little more, but not sure if we have the athletes to do that.
What can coach offer in recruiting for next year . . . . a chance to compete for a lot of playing time.

Patience padiwan patience . . .yep I just referenced Star Wars.
 
With all the international talent and upper classmen transfers we have we will be a dominant team for sure. Plus we have one of the best coaches in the northwest!

On another note I just saw that WSU beat Idaho State by 35 pts today. WSU must have really been on fire because we only beat them by 3. That is a great win for the Cougars.
 
That score of the WSU vs ISU game doesn't tell me WSU was on fire. With ISU's only wins vs Montana Tech, Whitworth and Montan Western that game tells me ISU really sucks the big one(we lost by 11 to WSU so we shoulda beat ISU by 20)....and we only beat them by 3 at home?
 
Yep only beat them by three. Let's hope we were playing down to our competition otherwise it is a big step in the WRONG direction. That's what you get with youth though . . inconsistency.
 
We won't ever drop basketball, not as long as we are a football playing member of the Big Sky anyway. So I think all Eag fans can hope for is some modest improvement over the next couple of seasons. I don't think Hayford is going anywhere. He deserves some time to get his system in place before any judgement is passed in my opinion. As far as the team, what I think we are seeing is extreme youth coupled with losing the teams leading scorer. These players are good enough to compete in the Big Sky. But I actually like the fact that we are playing so many young guys, because in a year or two they will be very good players. But agreed that we don't look to great this season and I don't think anyone would argue against that.
 
We should, can and will win this year. We have the talent and coaching to win now. I don't understand how we can be so good last year and not this year so far. People keep saying how young we are and I don't buy that at all. The roster is made up of five seniors that get considerable playing time and a junior guard that starts and leads the team in scoring and minutes. The only true youth on this team is from our best player who happens to be a freshman. Plus the foreign players are older to start and have lots of international experience. The "freshmen" foreign players are the same age as our few sophomore homegrown players. I would not call our youth "extreme" at all which is why I expect us to be good this year. Coach built a team of good players and I know he will win this year.
 
Eagle1990
I like your optimistic appraisal of the situation. I hope I am wrong, but I really think we will maybe win 4-5 conference games. Also these foreigners play a different brand of basketball overseas and it will take some time for them to adjust.
 
LDopaPDX said:
The thing is that we've played an entire schedule of lower-end DI teams... just by the grace of God, you'd think we'd have a couple of decent shows in there. Beating a nobody like Idaho State by 3 at home is hardly inspiring. The comparison would be that our basketball team is to the Big Sky what Northern Colorado is to the football side. That is flat out unacceptable.

I give this coach another season before really pulling out the cost-benefit analysis of this program.
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I disagree.

Signed,
Sac State
 
EWU98 said:
Eagle1990
I like your optimistic appraisal of the situation. I hope I am wrong, but I really think we will maybe win 4-5 conference games. Also these foreigners play a different brand of basketball overseas and it will take some time for them to adjust.
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YES, and that adjustment is called Defense and so far I have not seen any coaching of that art form. Without it we will not prosper. It also appears to me that this team is not in condition, especially the wings, that is sad this far into the season.
Color me disappointed. :(
 
Rontheoldwiseeagle said:
EWU98 said:
Eagle1990
I like your optimistic appraisal of the situation. I hope I am wrong, but I really think we will maybe win 4-5 conference games. Also these foreigners play a different brand of basketball overseas and it will take some time for them to adjust.
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YES, and that adjustment is called Defense and so far I have not seen any coaching of that art form. Without it we will not prosper. It also appears to me that this team is not in condition, especially the wings, that is sad this far into the season.
Color me disappointed. :(
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On no Ron agrees with me . . .not good. :roll:
 
I have heard Chiverton is no longer enrolled in school, can anyone confirm this? I agree with most of the comments on this thread having watched a few games. There is no defense being played and what seemed to be a strength of the team early on (rebounding) appears to have vanished. We don't penetrate and too often tend to settle for poor shot selection. There is also bery little movement off of the ball. What offense do we even run because it is difficult to distinguish and difficult to watch at times. You won't win many games not playing defense and settling for low percetage 3 point shots!!!
 
EWU98 said:
Rontheoldwiseeagle said:
EWU98 said:
Eagle1990
I like your optimistic appraisal of the situation. I hope I am wrong, but I really think we will maybe win 4-5 conference games. Also these foreigners play a different brand of basketball overseas and it will take some time for them to adjust.
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YES, and that adjustment is called Defense and so far I have not seen any coaching of that art form. Without it we will not prosper. It also appears to me that this team is not in condition, especially the wings, that is sad this far into the season.
Color me disappointed. :(
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On no Ron agrees with me . . .not good. :roll:
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:(
 
DefendtheRed said:
I have heard Chiverton is no longer enrolled in school, can anyone confirm this? I agree with most of the comments on this thread having watched a few games. There is no defense being played and what seemed to be a strength of the team early on (rebounding) appears to have vanished. We don't penetrate and too often tend to settle for poor shot selection. There is also bery little movement off of the ball. What offense do we even run because it is difficult to distinguish and difficult to watch at times. You won't win many games not playing defense and settling for low percetage 3 point shots!!!
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Didn't the weekly release say he's back this week ?
 
LDopaPDX said:
DefendtheRed said:
I have heard Chiverton is no longer enrolled in school, can anyone confirm this? I agree with most of the comments on this thread having watched a few games. There is no defense being played and what seemed to be a strength of the team early on (rebounding) appears to have vanished. We don't penetrate and too often tend to settle for poor shot selection. There is also bery little movement off of the ball. What offense do we even run because it is difficult to distinguish and difficult to watch at times. You won't win many games not playing defense and settling for low percetage 3 point shots!!!
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Didn't the weekly release say he's back this week ?
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Yep that is what it said, but my guess is that the release was done before everyone got back from the new years break. But hopefully he is back as I am sure he needs the team as much as the team needs him. Go Eagles!
 
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