Kramer Let Go/retiring at ISU

[EWU98]

Mike Kramer has been let go/retired after going 18-50 after 6 seasons at Idaho State University
WOW a little late in the game

Facebook post from their Athletic Department:
Idaho State football coach Mike Kramer has retired effective immediately. Thank you coach for your service to the University. Rob Phenicie will return too Pocatello to serve as the Head Coach. A complete release is coming shortly. ISU AD Jeff Tingey will have a press conference at 5 p.m. and it will be streamed live on Facebook live.

 

[Colter_Nuanez]

From our story:

Kramer's contract was set to expire after this season. An ISU representative said Kramer will continue to get paid through January of 2018.

Kramer retires from Idaho State; Phenicie new ISU head coach
http://skylinesportsmt.com/kramer-out-at-idaho-state-phenicie-new-isu-head-coach/

 

[Rjones61]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

 

[Colter_Nuanez]

At 5 p.m. Thursday afternoon, Idaho State athletic director Jeff Tingey met with the local and statewide media in a press conference that was streamed live online. He confirmed that Kramer would have been fired had he not decided to retire during a meeting staged between the two earlier on Thursday.

"The intention of our meeting earlier today was to improve the program," Tingey said. "I had open possibilities in what could or could not happen. But a change in the program and a change in the leadership was at the forefront of that.

When asks if Kramer would have chosen not to retire, would he still be ISU's head football coach, Tingey simply replied, "No."

Kramer's contract was set to expire after this season. An ISU representative said Kramer will continue to get paid through January of 2018. Tingey confirmed Kramer will be paid for eight months until January 21, 2018.

UPDATED: Kramer forced out Idaho State; Phenicie new head coach
http://skylinesportsmt.com/kramer-out-at-idaho-state-phenicie-new-isu-head-coach/

 

[Tacoma51]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

Put your pacifier in so you can sleep better at night with these thoughts. I'll save this post for a later date.

 

[Rjones61]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

Put your pacifier in so you can sleep better at night with these thoughts. I'll save this post for a later date.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I've brought a lurker out of the closet!

 

[FormerEag]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

Put your pacifier in so you can sleep better at night with these thoughts. I'll save this post for a later date.

Welcome to the board! :lol:

 

[BLACKFALKIN1]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

How the hell does EWU do so well with an incomplete looking stadium, cold winter weather, & 2 PAC 12 schools (including nationally respected & 70,000 seat stadium weilding UW) "ahead of them"?

That's BS. I almost went to ISU & had they offered me sooner I would have chosen that University.

Fact is, all programs have a pipeline. ISU needs to dig into their pipeline & focus on recruiting the best players possible. At the FCS level you have to find diamonds in the rough. Like Cooper Kupp! Walter Payton award winning QB's Erik Meyer & Bo Levi Mitchell were finds! E Money was a SoCal recruit, & BLM was an FBS transfer.

A new coach is just what the Bengals need.

 

[Rjones61]

I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

How the hell does EWU do so well with an incomplete looking stadium, cold winter weather, & 2 PAC 12 schools (including nationally respected & 70,000 seat stadium weilding UW) "ahead of them"?

That's BS. I almost went to ISU & had they offered me sooner I would have chosen that University.

Fact is, all programs have a pipeline. ISU needs to dig into their pipeline & focus on recruiting the best players possible. At the FCS level you have to find diamonds in the rough. Like Cooper Kupp! Walter Payton award winning QB's Erik Meyer & Bo Levi Mitchell were finds! E Money was a SoCal recruit, & BLM was an FBS transfer.

A new coach is just what the Bengals need.

Washingtons athlete to program ratio is much higher. It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

[LDopaPDX]

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I don't even understand how a coach can be successful at that program. How are you supposed to get enough talented recruits with Idaho's small population and 2 FBS programs ahead of you?

I have to admit, though. This years level of athletes at ISU were some of the worst I have seen in the Big Sky. They were coached well, but just plain unathletic.

How the hell does EWU do so well with an incomplete looking stadium, cold winter weather, & 2 PAC 12 schools (including nationally respected & 70,000 seat stadium weilding UW) "ahead of them"?

That's BS. I almost went to ISU & had they offered me sooner I would have chosen that University.

Fact is, all programs have a pipeline. ISU needs to dig into their pipeline & focus on recruiting the best players possible. At the FCS level you have to find diamonds in the rough. Like Cooper Kupp! Walter Payton award winning QB's Erik Meyer & Bo Levi Mitchell were finds! E Money was a SoCal recruit, & BLM was an FBS transfer.

A new coach is just what the Bengals need.

Washingtons athlete to program ratio is much higher. It's not that hard to comprehend.

That was my thought. The fact Washington produces so many more D1 level players is the reason we compete so well in this conference. It certainly has nothing to do with our wonderful facilities.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Hard to give a damn about what happens in bengalville but on the surface it looks like ISU did well to pull the OC back. His time on SUCCESSFUL FCS teams should serve the program well. At least he has the contrast between a Hauck led team vs. a Kramer led team.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Hard to give a damn about what happens in bengalville but on the surface it looks like ISU did well to pull the OC back. His time on SUCCESSFUL FCS teams should serve the program well. At least he has the contrast between a Hauck led team vs. a Kramer led team.

I don't think Zamberlin or Kramer were bad coaches, I think it is just ridiculously hard to compete at ISU. They've had three or four good years, but it's been decades since they strung a couple of good years together. Where do they go to recruit? Boise? There aren't many good kids there to begin with, and Idaho and Boise State get their pick of that litter. Salt Lake City? The number of quality programs that pick that area apart don't leave many scraps. Spokane? You've got Eastern down the road and Montana is also in that mix. It doesn't leave much.

I thought ISU played about as well as they could over the last few years. The issue was their starters would struggle mightily just to get a schollie at Eastern. Sorenson was a good example. Eastern wanted him to walk on, and he got a schollie and was one of the best defensive players at Idaho State.

I'm not sure you could bring much of anyone in to get them to a serviceable level. It's going to take a total rebuild, not just of the athletics program but the university as a whole.

 

[Hambone]

Kramer is a good football coach, but not the kind of "great" coach whose recruiting and coaching abilities would be enough to overcome the losing culture at ISU. That is a darn tough place to coach at.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Hard to give a damn about what happens in bengalville but on the surface it looks like ISU did well to pull the OC back. His time on SUCCESSFUL FCS teams should serve the program well. At least he has the contrast between a Hauck led team vs. a Kramer led team.

I don't think Zamberlin or Kramer were bad coaches, I think it is just ridiculously hard to compete at ISU. They've had three or four good years, but it's been decades since they strung a couple of good years together. Where do they go to recruit? Boise? There aren't many good kids there to begin with, and Idaho and Boise State get their pick of that litter. Salt Lake City? The number of quality programs that pick that area apart don't leave many scraps. Spokane? You've got Eastern down the road and Montana is also in that mix. It doesn't leave much.

I thought ISU played about as well as they could over the last few years. The issue was their starters would struggle mightily just to get a schollie at Eastern. Sorenson was a good example. Eastern wanted him to walk on, and he got a schollie and was one of the best defensive players at Idaho State.

I'm not sure you could bring much of anyone in to get them to a serviceable level. It's going to take a total rebuild, not just of the athletics program but the university as a whole.

You may recall he WAS the head coach at EWU and MSU before woeful ISU. He voluntarily left EWU and screwed the pooch at MSU... Is he really worth the effort? Guess one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Leaves EWU for MSU: http://missoulian.com/uncategorized...cle_ae9dd2f9-04e7-53e0-8cbb-b15a0e9d6e42.html

MSU fires Kramer
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-05-18-kramer-fired_N.htm

 

[clawman1]

No excuses for Kramer here, but if you have been to their dome you can see why they have problems. Not that our High School stadium is a lot better but Eastern is close to a more major metropolitan area... and Marijuana is legal in Washington! :lol:

 

[luckyintheorder]

No excuses for Kramer here, but if you have been to their dome you can see why they have problems. Not that our High School stadium is a lot better but Eastern is close to a more major metropolitan area... and Marijuana is legal in Washington! :lol:

gotta a point there. :lol: