Tell me if I'm totally off base here, but if EWU/NAU/MSU all win out these last 2 weeks, NAU would get the auto-bid, EWU would be #2 and MSU #3 in the Big Sky Conference. Tell me how in the hell NAU or MSU would be ranked ahead of EWU in the playoffs? Keep in mind EWU beat MSU head to head and NAU never played MSU or EWU! MSU folks still think they would ranked #2 in the playoff seeding ahead of Eastern.
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Last 2 weeks, EWU/NAU/MSU
- Thread starter talon38
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talon38 said:
Well you know MSU fans may be correct about getting the higher seed. The wins over Chadron State "Gold Rush" and the road victory at Drake are HUGE wins :shock: :loser: :lmao:
for their program and should not be overlooked :fuel:
Alright in all seriousness there is no way they should be ahead of us. :cya:
I just got to checking both teams schedules, we play all the same opponents except while Eastern was busy with Idaho, Wash. State and Cal Poly, MSU was playing the likes of DII Chadron State, Lowly Drake andNorthern Colorado. It's laughable. But hey, they're 8-1, but lost to eastern and think becasue they are #2 in the polls, have the inside track. :wall:
SloStang said:
They would go for common opponents. Eastern over Cal Poly and MSU with Cal Poly over NAU implies Eastern #1.
The #2 would then be Cal Poly vs MSU, because Cal Poly beat NAU. MSU would probably win because of the Sacramento State game.
#3 would be Cal Poly because Cal Poly beat NAU.
No -No, the logic isn't right, it's only against common opponents. Eastern beat MSU and Cal Poly, but nver played NAU, nor did MSU play NAU. The same logic would stand in your argument in that MSU beat SUU and EWU lost to EWU. The Big Sky Conf. has said if all 3 teams tie, they go with with head to head, which means EWU beat MSU, then go with Sargarin rankings which EWU would be ahead at this point and be the #1 team in the BSC, but that's provided Cal Poly wins over NAU! It's the 5th tie breaker scenario. :wall:
talon38 said:
No no no no, I'm afraid you completely misunderstood me. Let me restate the process.
In the case of a three way tie, the first criterion will be head to head match ups. EWU will be over MSU in this category. There is nothing MSU can do to dig their way out of this one. Also, we have a win against Cal Poly. But since they have two conference losses, they are not a part of the three way tie. Therefore the tie is between EWU, MSU, and NAU. As I illustrated before, EWU > MSU head to head matchup. That means the analysis is between NAU vs EWU.
That is where common opponents comes in. NAU and EWU have one common opponent: Cal Poly. In the instance I quoted above, EWU > Cal Poly > NAU. By common opponents, Eastern is the #1 in Big Sky.
The #2 and the #3 are pure speculation, and I admit looking back I got those ones wrong. But if Cal Poly beats NAU, I can guarantee you that we will hold the #1 in Big Sky.
marceagfan5
Active member
Pretty sure the head to head goes out the window if all 3 teams that are tied haven't played each other. The head to head is based if 2 teams are tied, not 3. It would go to common opponents in the tie breaker scenario and we may be screwed if that happens, because one of the common opponents for NAU/MSU/EWU is SUU, but because only 1 team lost to SUU I think it would go to Sagarin rankings or GPI or whatever the heck they do.
Right now if NAU wins out, which I think they will, they will win the conference outright. If they win the conference outright, there is not a good way to justify MSU or EWU being seeded ahead of them. They would be 10-1 with an FBS win and their only loss is an FBS team.
I think if all 3 teams win out, the battle would be between MSU and EWU for a second seed, which we should win due to our head to head win in Bozeman.
I don't think the cats win in Missoula though...
Right now if NAU wins out, which I think they will, they will win the conference outright. If they win the conference outright, there is not a good way to justify MSU or EWU being seeded ahead of them. They would be 10-1 with an FBS win and their only loss is an FBS team.
I think if all 3 teams win out, the battle would be between MSU and EWU for a second seed, which we should win due to our head to head win in Bozeman.
I don't think the cats win in Missoula though...
jsquared
Member
marceagfan5 said:
This could easily be our achillies heel this season. They have nothing else to play for at this point except spoiling our playoff seeding. I had really hoped the Cat/Griz game wouldn't matter this year, but it certainly does for all teams involved in this conversation. There's still a lot of football to be played and anything could happen. The Big Sky is STRONG this year.
Do you and Bobcat fans feel the sky will get 3 seeds? That seems to be the only way the only way the Cats are seeded, assuming the Eagles win out.jsquared said:
If NAU wins out they are the Big Sky auto bid and probably a seed. A second seed would go the the second place team which is the Eagles due to the head to head.
If NAU does not win out the Eagles win all tie breakers and are the Big Sky auto bid and probably a seed. This is the only scenario where the Bobcats are seeded unless there are 3 Big Sky seeds.
Am I missing something here?
Sylvergunsuperman
Active member
No no no. You forgot to divide and carry the 1. Now if EWU and NAU..... 
unch: my head hurts
unch: my head hurtsRontheoldwiseeagle
Active member
Please remember we were ranked 1st in the polls 2010 and were given a #5 seed. That was behind MSU, so it will be anybodies guess what this mess will be. I just hope we are in the other bracket from ND State so we might have a chance to play them in Frisco not their home dome.
jsquared
Member
clawman said:
My views certainly don't reflect the view of the Bobcat fanbase as a whole, but I think it's in the realm of possibilities for 3 Big Sky teams to be seeded. If the seeding were based strictly on head to head/tiebreakers then MSU probably wouldn't get a seed and NAU/EWU would (rightfully so). There's a lot of talk about stadium capacity/money generation over on Bobcat Nation which could come in to play too though. I really don't know how much bearing this has to the selection committee, but with our current TSN ranking, I could see 3 seeds happening if we all win out.
My head hurts too.
Screamin_Eagle174
Active member
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If NDSU, ODU, EWU, and MSU all win out, I think that's your first four seeds. I'm not sure NAU gets a seed if they win out in that scenario, simply because it's hard to imagine two teams from the West and one from the Midwest not being considered too much Westernization. I think New Hampshire will get the other seed if they beat Towson; if not it might go to Stony Brook just to balance the map. Just because NAU might get the auto-bid over Eastern and Montana State, they get no special treatment in the seeding. I think their easy schedule is going to be a factor... unfortunately for them, it's out of their control.
I still see at least one or two monkey wrenches totally blowing any conventional wisdom. I just hope that we win out, and everything will take care of itself.
I still see at least one or two monkey wrenches totally blowing any conventional wisdom. I just hope that we win out, and everything will take care of itself.
