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Just read that a player quit after returning from a mission. WTF! If a player makes the choice to go on a mission then they should have to quit before they leave.
 
Thus the reason many schools will not recruit mission kids, you cannot hang your future on a kid who may or may not come in to play two years down the road. Even if they do come in, they may only stay for a year or two because they marry and in some cases begin having children. Tough to make football your priority when you have a family to support. Another problem is the kid who all of sudden decides to go on a mission as Poke Morgan did, decisions like that leave teams hanging, especially when it is a scholorship player who makes the move. I hope he let the coaches know about his decision prior to going, it would really put mission kids as a whole in a bad light if he did not. Remember Herb Williams never recruited a mission kid again after what Jones did in going to Utah State when he came back. I don't believe that going on a mission is limited to 19 year olds, why not get your degree before going on the mission. Believe it or not, getting married at 21 is considered to young in many parts of the country. Finish your school, go on your mission, then move on with life.
 
blackfootbengal said:
Thus the reason many schools will not recruit mission kids, you cannot hang your future on a kid who may or may not come in to play two years down the road. Even if they do come in, they may only stay for a year or two because they marry and in some cases begin having children. Tough to make football your priority when you have a family to support. Another problem is the kid who all of sudden decides to go on a mission as Poke Morgan did, decisions like that leave teams hanging, especially when it is a scholorship player who makes the move. I hope he let the coaches know about his decision prior to going, it would really put mission kids as a whole in a bad light if he did not. Remember Herb Williams never recruited a mission kid again after what Jones did in going to Utah State when he came back. I don't believe that going on a mission is limited to 19 year olds, why not get your degree before going on the mission. Believe it or not, getting married at 21 is considered to young in many parts of the country. Finish your school, go on your mission, then move on with life.
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I have had that thought for years especially when it comes to the qb position. I would only allow them to come back as a walk-on when they return. We have had some great players come back from mormon missions that did very well; however, they just seem to be untrustworthy in too many cases.
 
This is crap! Why did Davenport wait until the first day of practice to decide he did not want to play? How long has he been back? Also isn't the Session kid from Salmon going on a mission? I would never hold a scholarship for a mission kid. If they want to play when they get back, they can walkon and prove themselves when they get back.
 
go big

way to support the players (your words not mine)
a young man makes a decision based on his lifes priorities and thats the way you support him.... amazing...

you're living up to your mantra

'testicles?'
 
I've already noted my stance on this but I'll retriate...

I am very much against recruiting players who intend to go on missions. It's a waste of our time, money and resources and it hurts our depth chart.

It's far easier to train for basketball on a mission than it is for football.

http://rocketrossblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/missionsreally-actual-op-ed.html

I've mentioned this in my blog but I'll say it again here:

When the Lord gives you talent and opportunity, the best way you can thank Him is to take Him up on it.
 
I agree. He should of said something before now. I believe he got back around Feb? If he would have said something then maybe we would have still had Grayson? Waiting so late to make that decision really puts a wrench in a few things. Oh well, NO EXCUSES. Keep moving on....
 
Sparty, What I said is I am supporting the PLAYERS that have stuck with ISU and obviously that does not include Davenport. And I believe the junior high testicle statement was yours not mine. As Roar said, NO EXCUSES.
 
Last time I checked, walking from house to house isn't exactly the Heisman workout nowadays. I would never recruit "mission kids" unless I could set up a contract with them that they return a certain size/weight by the time they got back (which is not legal). The potential of them coming back worth a damn isn't worth the risk of waiting two years in my book.
 
Hey JAFO, last time I checked, sitting around smoking, drinking, and looking at pornography in a barrick wasn't prepping for life, so I would never hire or offer a scholarship to anyone that served in the military.. WAKE UP, you rookie scrub! It's case by case, and you just look like an idiot pretending you know what happens on a mission, or in each individual missionary's life.. My comments are tongue in cheek, but I would never lump all you servicemen together, but I know alot of that goes on. Doesn't mean all of the servicemen do, but that's what you're implying with missionaries..
 
tuffgong said:
Hey JAFO, last time I checked, sitting around smoking, drinking, and looking at pornography in a barrick wasn't prepping for life, so I would never hire or offer a scholarship to anyone that served in the military.. WAKE UP, you rookie scrub! It's case by case, and you just look like an idiot pretending you know what happens on a mission, or in each individual missionary's life.. My comments are tongue in cheek, but I would never lump all you servicemen together, but I know alot of that goes on. Doesn't mean all of the servicemen do, but that's what you're implying with missionaries..
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So...when are you going to defend the mishies in this particular argument and not slam someone else who made a statement that wasn't entirely inflammatory? Come on dude you're better than THAT.
 
Without question there have been phenomenal football players at schools throughout the country who served missions before or during their college football careers. But there are risks associated with recruiting kids who intend to serve a mission, as Davenport has demonstrated. Similarly, there are risks associated with recruiting kids with academic or behavioral struggles. These risks create an opportunity for schools that are willing to take the risks to land players that they otherwise would not get.

ISU has taken these risks in the past with great success (Jared Allen, Matt Stucki), but has also suffered a few casualties as should be expected. I don't know the stats as to the percentage of LDS athletes that leave their program as compared to the percentage of athletes with academic or behavioral risks, but my sense is that we lose many more kids each year due to academic or behavioral troubles than we do LDS kids whose hearts aren't in it anymore.

In my opinion, ISU should continue to take the risks associated with recruiting LDS kids.
 
Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Without question there have been phenomenal football players at schools throughout the country who served missions before or during their college football careers. But there are risks associated with recruiting kids who intend to serve a mission, as Davenport has demonstrated. Similarly, there are risks associated with recruiting kids with academic or behavioral struggles. These risks create an opportunity for schools that are willing to take the risks to land players that they otherwise would not get.

ISU has taken these risks in the past with great success (Jared Allen, Matt Stucki), but has also suffered a few casualties as should be expected. I don't know the stats as to the percentage of LDS athletes that leave their program as compared to the percentage of athletes with academic or behavioral risks, but my sense is that we lose many more kids each year due to academic or behavioral troubles than we do LDS kids whose hearts aren't in it anymore.

In my opinion, ISU should continue to take the risks associated with recruiting LDS kids.
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Well said Fletcher and great points.
 
tuffgong said:
Hey JAFO, last time I checked, sitting around smoking, drinking, and looking at pornography in a barrick wasn't prepping for life, so I would never hire or offer a scholarship to anyone that served in the military.. WAKE UP, you rookie scrub! It's case by case, and you just look like an idiot pretending you know what happens on a mission, or in each individual missionary's life.. My comments are tongue in cheek, but I would never lump all you servicemen together, but I know alot of that goes on. Doesn't mean all of the servicemen do, but that's what you're implying with missionaries..
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Hey limpgong, All I'm stating is the fact that most missionaries don't have the time to get a regular workout in because of their missionary duties (who I have no problem with btw). I think they are doing a great service. It's not a matter of me liking them or not, it's more based on the fact that I just wouldn't be willing to wait two years for a kid to come back when changes need to be made now.
I don't know where you get off on having to bring the military into this conversation. And yes, I would recruit someone from the military over a kid going on a mission everyday of the week and twice on Sunday! You can go listen to your bob marley and dream up whatever other hippie-communist ideas you have. No tongue in cheek implied...enjoy your freedom you prick.
 
I believe Beaugh Meyer is the last LDS kid to sign with ISU and he was offered by BSU, TCU, and ARMY but once he said he would be going on an LDS mission, they said to just talk to them once he got back. I believe ISU still made the right decision in recruiting him because once he gets home off his mission he will be a force. He turned 18 recently from what I understand so he still has a few years... we will see!
 
So the Air Force Falcons nuked the BYU Missionaries, I mean Cougars, this past weekend 35-14. Not bad for a team of military men. TUFF, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

APR Scores:
USAFA 988 (2nd in Nation)
BYU 940
 
WOW, you stud, JAFO.. They rise up and beat the Cougs about 1 in every 10 years, and all the sudden they are world beaters? History tells me that AFA is nothing more than a blip on the radar.. That's quite the slam when many BYU players are not return missionaries, and aren't even LDS. Stay classy, I mean, retarded, JAFO!
 
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