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WILDCAT said:
Neither team is having the season they had hoped for or even expected. Lets make Montana's season worse by sending them home with another loss.
GO WEBER!
:lol: :thumb: AWESOME! I agree...beat the Grizz
Let's all be honest, Randy lost that game. He wasn't even out coached. He just made absolutely bone-headed decisions. His stubbornness is his Achilles heal.
First, Cody John should not be the starting point guard. Yes, he should start but at the 2 or 3.
Second, Ryan Richard is decent on offense when he's not throwing the ball away but is an awful defender. Why he starts is mind boggling.
Third, and most important, Jeremy Senglin should never, ever, play point guard. For four years Randy has stubbornly insisted that Senglin is a PG and for four years stupid selfish plays have proven to everyone except the coach that Senglin is not a point guard.
Fourth player management has been atrocious this season. This is on Randy he's done a terrible job this season. Maybe time for some better assistants?
First, Cody John should not be the starting point guard. Yes, he should start but at the 2 or 3.
Second, Ryan Richard is decent on offense when he's not throwing the ball away but is an awful defender. Why he starts is mind boggling.
Third, and most important, Jeremy Senglin should never, ever, play point guard. For four years Randy has stubbornly insisted that Senglin is a PG and for four years stupid selfish plays have proven to everyone except the coach that Senglin is not a point guard.
Fourth player management has been atrocious this season. This is on Randy he's done a terrible job this season. Maybe time for some better assistants?
Tald.... you hit the nail on the head with all of your comments. Senglin is a liability when he plays PG. Turnover after turnover and absolutely no ball movement when he is PG. Rahe did a much better job with rotation until those last 4 minutes. Senglin and Richardson both had 3 turnovers and 1 assist. Cannon had 4 assists 0 turnovers. Senglin at the point has got to stop. Harding played great.
WEBER LOST - THE CULPRIT WAS OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING
For the fourth straight game Weber has been spanked on the offensive boards. Montana out rebounded them on their offensive board by 10 (16-6) This advantage led to a lot more points than what we lost by. On the boards, our bigs vs their bigs, (Montana's bigs are terrible) was a wash. They played 4 bigs for an average of 24 minutes each; we played only 2 bigs for an average of 31 minutes each. Why no Jordan Dallas if what Rahe says is accurate about tired legs? Scoring by the bigs was also virtually a wash.
Weber got spanked in rebounding by their guards. Out rebounded by 20-9 with a plus 10 for them in offensive rebounds. We played 6 guards for an average of 28 minutes each and they played 4 guards for an average of 25 minutes each. Why again, if Weber's problem lately is tired legs, are we playing more minutes per player than the opposition?
Our conference opponents have figured out the formula to beat Weber and we have lost the past 4 games by the use of the same strategy each time. Montana's guards pushed the Weber guards, as they tried to run their outside passing game, further out toward the half court line. On most possessions our guards were operating from 10-15 feet beyond the arch. Way to far out to be effective. Our offense rarely looks to pass inside when they are running this outside game and so the defense can concentrate totally on pushing them outward without worrying about getting beat inside very often. The result; we are taking last second hurried shots from far out so often that it renders our guards less effective (evidenced by poor shooting percentage). Last night Montana added to this formula by having their guards go inside time after time and challenge our bigs inside. It was super effective for them because our bigs are slow of foot and late in reacting versus their small quick guards. It was appalling how often their "little" guards out rebounded our bigs and our guards, especially offensively. Hopefully next years team will learn to position, block out and rebound in a way that this year's team has never learned to do.
Cody John got exposed as a defensive point last night. He has to become a 2 and improve his outside shooting if he is to be good at it. I doubt that he will be playing the point next year.
I give Cannon credit for his play last night. I am often super critical of him because he has no offensive game, but last night he made a difference by bringing high energy, passing well and playing intense defense. He seemed to get some of his last year mojo back. He will, however, never be a point who can put up the points. I predict that next year the starting point will be the little guy coming in from Texas, Nelson. And I repeat that for us to get the most out of Harding he has to learn to play the point. He will always be a scorer but he needs to learn the point. I love his game. His intensity last night was exemplary.
Speaking of exemplary, Randy's coaching was not. Once again, he was so predictable and unbending in his game plan that it was easy for the opposing coach to look like a superstar strategist. I wonder if Randy realizes how badly he is being out-coached and how easy he makes it for his counterpart to out coach him?
We don't yet know who our first opponent will be in Reno, but it wouldn't surprise me to see us play one game and be out of that tournament. There are just too many negatives in our game that are a result of Randy's stubbornness and aren't getting corrected for us to expect to win. Having said that, I do hope we beat MSU Saturday and get the third seed. It can happen but it will take our talent to overcome a system that works against their skills.
For the fourth straight game Weber has been spanked on the offensive boards. Montana out rebounded them on their offensive board by 10 (16-6) This advantage led to a lot more points than what we lost by. On the boards, our bigs vs their bigs, (Montana's bigs are terrible) was a wash. They played 4 bigs for an average of 24 minutes each; we played only 2 bigs for an average of 31 minutes each. Why no Jordan Dallas if what Rahe says is accurate about tired legs? Scoring by the bigs was also virtually a wash.
Weber got spanked in rebounding by their guards. Out rebounded by 20-9 with a plus 10 for them in offensive rebounds. We played 6 guards for an average of 28 minutes each and they played 4 guards for an average of 25 minutes each. Why again, if Weber's problem lately is tired legs, are we playing more minutes per player than the opposition?
Our conference opponents have figured out the formula to beat Weber and we have lost the past 4 games by the use of the same strategy each time. Montana's guards pushed the Weber guards, as they tried to run their outside passing game, further out toward the half court line. On most possessions our guards were operating from 10-15 feet beyond the arch. Way to far out to be effective. Our offense rarely looks to pass inside when they are running this outside game and so the defense can concentrate totally on pushing them outward without worrying about getting beat inside very often. The result; we are taking last second hurried shots from far out so often that it renders our guards less effective (evidenced by poor shooting percentage). Last night Montana added to this formula by having their guards go inside time after time and challenge our bigs inside. It was super effective for them because our bigs are slow of foot and late in reacting versus their small quick guards. It was appalling how often their "little" guards out rebounded our bigs and our guards, especially offensively. Hopefully next years team will learn to position, block out and rebound in a way that this year's team has never learned to do.
Cody John got exposed as a defensive point last night. He has to become a 2 and improve his outside shooting if he is to be good at it. I doubt that he will be playing the point next year.
I give Cannon credit for his play last night. I am often super critical of him because he has no offensive game, but last night he made a difference by bringing high energy, passing well and playing intense defense. He seemed to get some of his last year mojo back. He will, however, never be a point who can put up the points. I predict that next year the starting point will be the little guy coming in from Texas, Nelson. And I repeat that for us to get the most out of Harding he has to learn to play the point. He will always be a scorer but he needs to learn the point. I love his game. His intensity last night was exemplary.
Speaking of exemplary, Randy's coaching was not. Once again, he was so predictable and unbending in his game plan that it was easy for the opposing coach to look like a superstar strategist. I wonder if Randy realizes how badly he is being out-coached and how easy he makes it for his counterpart to out coach him?
We don't yet know who our first opponent will be in Reno, but it wouldn't surprise me to see us play one game and be out of that tournament. There are just too many negatives in our game that are a result of Randy's stubbornness and aren't getting corrected for us to expect to win. Having said that, I do hope we beat MSU Saturday and get the third seed. It can happen but it will take our talent to overcome a system that works against their skills.
By the way, Rahe was also totally predictable and was accurately predicted by Montana's coach on the last play of the game. In every game that is close at the end Rahe gives Sengin the ball, clears everyone out of the way and lets Senglin do what he can. It is a predictable event with Rahe and the other coach simply puts 2-3 guys on Senglin to prevent him from getting free. The opposing coaches know that Rahe is going to do this and they know that Senglin is not going to pass the ball to anyone else so they trap him like Montana did last night. Rahe is a stubborn basketball coach that is being easily predicted by his counterparts, leading to defeats...
wazzuwildcat03
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There are several things that frustrate the crap out of me with this team, but the number one for me is how bad we are at rebounding. We are pathetic. We don't get many offensive rebounds and give up a lot of them. Drives me nuts. Montana is probably the smallest team in our league and they kicked our ass on the boards. It just shows me that our team is not tough. Rebounding is all about being tough and wanting the ball more than the other team.
SWWeatherCat
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baller said:
No surprise here, it can't be difficult for coaches game planning to see what the average fan can see. It's hard for me to understand why Rahe would allow Seglin's selfish, out-of-positon play, let alone encourage it. I wonder how the rest of the team feels knowing what the end of games are going to look like, knowing it's an exception when the last shot/hero approach actually works. It's a team game, despite what the NBA teaches; too bad, Rahe and Senglin don't approach it that way.
SWWeatherCat
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wazzuwildcat03 said:
Weber loves to shoot the 3, so the guards are going to be far from the basket and naturally boxed for offensive rebounds, if not transitioning to D after the shot; that's a portion of the problem. The bigger problem is that rebounding is as much about desire as anything and if the players had the desire to rebound well, they'd do better. If the coaches thought it was important they'd put focus on it and have some accountability; they apparently don't.
UtahPirate
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baller said:
+1
We continue to shoot near 50% (49% last night) and lose games.
Griz took 15 more shots than we did (and shot 44%). That's why they won. Despite all the other things that have been mentioned, our inability to rebound is what's losing games.
Good analysis 'baller' & 'SWWeatherCat', etc. :nod:
Coach Rahe's Achilles Heal is clearly becoming evident the last part of this season. NOT suggesting he be replaced, as he is a good coach, especially at recruiting, but unless a surprising change is made in game strategy, this obviously isn't a championship team in the coaching and playing.
Good team effort is there, I really like the players, Senglin has earned plenty of wins for the team. :clap: Hope I'm proven wrong in the Reno tourney, but this time, Weber State will be lucky to get into the CIT or CBI post season action, if at all. :-(
Coach Rahe's Achilles Heal is clearly becoming evident the last part of this season. NOT suggesting he be replaced, as he is a good coach, especially at recruiting, but unless a surprising change is made in game strategy, this obviously isn't a championship team in the coaching and playing.
Good team effort is there, I really like the players, Senglin has earned plenty of wins for the team. :clap: Hope I'm proven wrong in the Reno tourney, but this time, Weber State will be lucky to get into the CIT or CBI post season action, if at all. :-(
SWeberCat02
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Could have made a boat load of $ betting against Weber the past 13 games. 1-12 ATS, including 0-9 past 9 games.
