Move up no longer realistic?

[OldHornet]

I think we all agree that having UCD and CP in the conference with the Hornets is a positive. But does this officially kill the discussion for moving up?

As much as I want SAC to move up to FBS I believe I believe it does! I would expect Wanless to push for all other sports to move to the BW.

The dream is now dead.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

I hope not. I don't want to see us go to the BWC for the others. We already have a good thing here in the Big Sky. If we leave for another conference, I hope its for the WAC only (whatever iteration of it comes out).

 

[the Rat]

It is tough to make the argument for moving up from a financial standpoint. Cal-Davis and Cal-Poly are in the Sky for the long haul. Moving to the WAC has a myriad of issues. For Sac State, moving all olympic sports to the Big West would be ideal as their teams in baseball, volleyball, and soccer compete at a higher level than Big Sky teams. Why would we leave the Big Sky football fold now to play the likes of Idaho, Utah State, Hawaii when we can have meaningful rivalries in our backyard, plus the strength of the northwest football programs? It also seems that SUU is on deck next to join the Big Sky.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

I think the WAC dream was really just on this board. Not one word from Gonzo or Wanless on this topic.

We are in the BSC for the long haul, if Poly and UCFE can't make the jump and they have nicer facilities what makes us think we can and be successful?

UCFE is paying $150,000 to join the Big Sky. I am sure Poly is similar.

 

[superhornet]

I must have missed something in the announcement. Was there something about Sac dropping to associate status?

As far as the jump goes, there is certain fan post at FCSFans that is fairly interesting. (So long as one remembers that he is a FAN and has nothing official to do with his school.) A cynical dude from Fresneck seems to think that this is a pre-emptive strike to keep the Sky with a Cali footprint after Sac jumps. Others seem to want to extend that to the potential for PSU and Montana to go as well. I'm not sure how much credence to give that, though.

 

[StungAlum]

I must have missed something in the announcement. Was there something about Sac dropping to associate status?

As far as the jump goes, there is certain fan post at FCSFans that is fairly interesting. (So long as one remembers that he is a FAN and has nothing official to do with his school.) A cynical dude from Fresneck seems to think that this is a pre-emptive strike to keep the Sky with a Cali footprint after Sac jumps. Others seem to want to extend that to the potential for PSU and Montana to go as well. I'm not sure how much credence to give that, though.

I highly agree with the "fan" and posted the same thing in another thread.

Fullerton said he wanted to "maintain" the BSC's presence in CA.

OH, stop being such a pessimist and alarmist.

 

[OldHornet]

I must have missed something in the announcement. Was there something about Sac dropping to associate status?

As far as the jump goes, there is certain fan post at FCSFans that is fairly interesting. (So long as one remembers that he is a FAN and has nothing official to do with his school.) A cynical dude from Fresneck seems to think that this is a pre-emptive strike to keep the Sky with a Cali footprint after Sac jumps. Others seem to want to extend that to the potential for PSU and Montana to go as well. I'm not sure how much credence to give that, though.

I highly agree with the "fan" and posted the same thing in another thread.

Fullerton said he wanted to "maintain" the BSC's presence in CA.

OH, stop being such a pessimist and alarmist.

Ok I'll give you the pessimist one!

But let's also look at this as realists and not fans.

1. Is SJSU enough of a draw and potential rival? When FSU and NEV were in the conversation it was a no-brainer, not sure now.
2. No Arena = no go.
3. Needed $$ for stadium upgrades

All of these are possible, and in fact I REALLY WANT TO MOVE TO FBS. But now that UCD and CP are in the BSC, this could be a solid step until we solve the other issues.

But to be clear I will donate for a stadium or arena campaign!

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

All I know is, this is just the latest in the conference merry-go-round. This little carousel hasn't stopped by any means. The dust won't settle for another, IMO, 3 years. So lets sit back and watch this little soap opera unfold.

Is that enough cliches for ya :lol:

 

[StungAlum]

I must have missed something in the announcement. Was there something about Sac dropping to associate status?

As far as the jump goes, there is certain fan post at FCSFans that is fairly interesting. (So long as one remembers that he is a FAN and has nothing official to do with his school.) A cynical dude from Fresneck seems to think that this is a pre-emptive strike to keep the Sky with a Cali footprint after Sac jumps. Others seem to want to extend that to the potential for PSU and Montana to go as well. I'm not sure how much credence to give that, though.

I highly agree with the "fan" and posted the same thing in another thread.

Fullerton said he wanted to "maintain" the BSC's presence in CA.

OH, stop being such a pessimist and alarmist.

Ok I'll give you the pessimist one!

But let's also look at this as realists and not fans.

1. Is SJSU enough of a draw and potential rival? When FSU and NEV were in the conversation it was a no-brainer, not sure now.
2. No Arena = no go.
3. Needed $$ for stadium upgrades

All of these are possible, and in fact I REALLY WANT TO MOVE TO FBS. But now that UCD and CP are in the BSC, this could be a solid step until we solve the other issues.

But to be clear I will donate for a stadium or arena campaign!

Hey, I'm a pessimist as well, I think it's synonymous with being a Sac State fan. After all we've seen and heard, it's hard to know what to expect next.

I beleive SJSU would draw as well as UCFE and Poly, but that's one game every other season. I don't know how well Idaho fans travel, but I would travel to Moscow to see the Hornets play against them. However, I'd never go to LA Tech, NMSU, or Hawaii.

I can see and understand your points, but I don't feel like being realistic today, I want to be a homer.

 

[StungAlum]

All I know is, this is just the latest in the conference merry-go-round. This little carousel hasn't stopped by any means. The dust won't settle for another, IMO, 3 years. So lets sit back and watch this little soap opera unfold.

Is that enough cliches for ya :lol:

I'm sure you could think up a few more, but those will suffice for now

 

[Green Laser]

As everything has played out over the past month or so the one school that has been left out there with very few options is San Jose State. I feel bad for the Spartans.

 

[GoAgs72]

I am happy to have Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly back together. Why would you want to leave one of the strongest FCS conferences and go to the weakest FBS Conference that may soon fall apart? I really don't think playing Idaho or New Mexico State would boost attendance but it would cost a lot more to meet FBS requirements.

 

[footballnow]

I am happy to have Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly back together. Why would you want to leave one of the strongest FCS conferences and go to the weakest FBS Conference that may soon fall apart? I really don't think playing Idaho or New Mexico State would boost attendance but it would cost a lot more to meet FBS requirements.

My sentiments exactly.

But to make this truly fair -Sac State should be allowed by the BSC to move it's other sports to the Big West if it is a possibility. The Financial advantage due to travel for UC Davis and Cal Poly isn't right. We are all in California. That is money that can be directly moved to the football programs or facility improvements.

 

[StungAlum]

I am happy to have Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly back together. Why would you want to leave one of the strongest FCS conferences and go to the weakest FBS Conference that may soon fall apart? I really don't think playing Idaho or New Mexico State would boost attendance but it would cost a lot more to meet FBS requirements.

Glad to have the, gulp, ags and Mustangs in the BSC.







There, now that's the only nice thing I'll say to an aggie for the rest of the season. I'm going to go shower now.

 

[Green Laser]

I even went over to their board (first time in years) and posted a welcome! I guess we can all be friends for one day to celebrate, tomorrow we go back to war!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

I am happy to have Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly back together. Why would you want to leave one of the strongest FCS conferences and go to the weakest FBS Conference that may soon fall apart? I really don't think playing Idaho or New Mexico State would boost attendance but it would cost a lot more to meet FBS requirements.

National visibility. Let's face it, the ESPN's, USA Today's of the world don't pay attention to the FCS's unless you have an App State kind of moment, and even then it's for a fleeting one.

 

[SDHornet]

I think the WAC dream was really just on this board. Not one word from Gonzo or Wanless on this topic.

They haven't said anything publicly GCM...the key word here is "publicly."

 

[SDHornet]

Ok I'll give you the pessimist one!

But let's also look at this as realists and not fans.

1. Is SJSU enough of a draw and potential rival? When FSU and NEV were in the conversation it was a no-brainer, not sure now.
2. No Arena = no go.
3. Needed $$ for stadium upgrades

All of these are possible, and in fact I REALLY WANT TO MOVE TO FBS. But now that UCD and CP are in the BSC, this could be a solid step until we solve the other issues.

But to be clear I will donate for a stadium or arena campaign!

1. I agree, but keep in mind home and home agreements with Fresno, Nevada, SDSU, UNLV, and any other mid level MWC school would more than likely happen. Plus a 2 for 1 with a Pac-10 team would also be in the realm of possibility. I have to think those schools would draw 15k in attendance easy.
2. Agree, but again Arco could be rented for "marquee" games.
3. Yup. And if Wanless and Gonzo do it right, a move to the WAC announcement will be made in conjunction with a massive fund raising effort that includes soliciting donations from alumni as well as local businesses.

And count me in on the "will donate" list as well.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

I am happy to have Sac State, UC Davis and Cal Poly back together. Why would you want to leave one of the strongest FCS conferences and go to the weakest FBS Conference that may soon fall apart? I really don't think playing Idaho or New Mexico State would boost attendance but it would cost a lot more to meet FBS requirements.

davis or Poly would jump in a nano second if they had the desire to go FBS. Moving to the BSC is a holding pattern for them until funding returns to the golden university and once money starts dropping out of trees again over there you will be FBS. Dont worry we will stay play you, you now are a counter.

 

[SJHornet]

We cannot discount any option at this point. The silly-season isn’t over and Sac hasn’t committed to anything yet. UCFE, Poly and the Sky have made their move, what will be ours. The fact is the two schools in the conference who have remained the most tight lipped are Portland and Sacramento. Missoula has been buzzing all summer over the rumors and their athletic department has said it will look into it, but everyone connected to the program seems to think it is a long shot at best.

It is possible the two California schools were an attempt to make Sac, Portland and Montana stay put. Two regional rivals for Sac, closer pacific-based rivals for Portland, and a program with some good rep in Poly for Montana. It will also cut down on travel costs once the 12th member is chosen as the two divisions will be more regional. It is also possible, however, that UCFE and Poly were an attempt to maintain a California market. If the Sky is afraid of loosing Sac, it would make sense to move early and ensure you keep a footprint in California.

Many in Hawaii seems to think Sac is one of the best candidates for the WAC. The WAC will be trying to keep Hawaii at all costs, so if they say invite Sac State, we can probably rely on an invite. Travel to the California Coast is cheaper than inland Texas, and the Texas schools are both rumored to be more interested in CUSA. The conferences start shuffling again and they could split. I think its safe to assume Sac would be in the WAC for the long haul.

SJSU looks determined to stay 1-A and not drop down. I’m very disappointed with the fans at SJSU and their reactions to a simple question of dropping down to the Sky. SF Gator has been getting relentlessly bashed for brining up the subject. To me it seems like they are cutting off their nose despite their face. They are acting like a teenager who’s friends got invited to the cool kids party while they didn’t, so now they are going to throw a hissy fit, lock themselves in their room and write break up poetry. If they can’t play with the cool kids they’d rather not play at all. If the alumni get their way and don’t support a move to the Sky, they are going to the Big West. With SJSU gone our placement in the WAC becomes a lot less attractive and Wanless should start looking at move to the Big West too. If they want the WAC and their D-1A status to survive (lets be honest, they are never getting a MWC or CUSA invite. WAC is it for them), they need to start petitioning for us to go up.

Silly-season isn’t over folks, and what we’ve seen this summer should make us all aware we can expect to see ANYTHING. If the WAC goes Texas for the time being to save the conference for another few years and overlooks us, so be it. The Sky just got stronger and we should be looking towards the Big West for all non-football sponsored sports. I'd be more than happy with that. If Wanless actively goes after Big West Membership, the D-1A dream is over for now. If the WAC (who’s FCS options are starting to dry up) throws us an invite scared we may be convinced to stay in the new Sky/BWC scenario, maybe we dance.

We continue to wait…