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No More Excuses!!

OldHornet

OldHornet

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I'm tired of listening to all of the excuses - from the players, the fans and especially Katz!

Facts:

Katz is 23 - 79 (.225 winning percentage).
Katz is 8 - 44 in BSC (.15 winning percentage).
His teams can't score - only average 61.9 points per game over his four years
His teams give up 69.9 points per game over his four years
He has never been close to the BSC Tourney.
He has never finished above LAST in BSC!
He consistently loses players.
Attendance has steadily decreased.

There are no more excuses - IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE!!!
 
No change for the next three years, by then we will have 59 people in attendnace. We won't need that 6,000 arena afterall.....worked out to perfection by the school administrators.
 
OldHornet said:
I'm tired of listening to all of the excuses - from the players, the fans and especially Katz!

Facts:

Katz is 23 - 79 (.225 winning percentage).
Katz is 8 - 44 in BSC (.15 winning percentage).
His teams can't score - only average 61.9 points per game over his four years
His teams give up 69.9 points per game over his four years
He has never been close to the BSC Tourney.
He has never finished above LAST in BSC!
He consistently loses players.
Attendance has steadily decreased.

There are no more excuses - IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE!!!
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It's time for the Kan Katz movement.
 
Hornets, none of this going to change until the school admin, namely Dr. Gonzalez gets serious about building an arena. Period. This isnt Northridge (who can't give two shits about athletics in general) or Portland State (where they can get away with a crappy gym as well).

This program will flounder until an arena gets built. Period. We cannot recruit decent players, regardless of the coach, to play in the Nest any longer. Too much competition (other schools and television, ipods, iphones, etc.).
 
Apparently you missed the “no more excuses” moniker of this thread. Katz’ predecessor was able to be competitive in the BSC, provide an exciting product AND get buts in the seats WITHOUT nice facilities and far less support from the admin. Add to the fact there are other programs with just as crappy facilities making it to the Dance in recent years (PSU & Northridge for example) and the facilities excuse (while valid) doesn’t exactly hold true across the board. Yes the facilities are an issue but blaming all the Katz failures on that alone just isn’t going to fly. Losing to other comparable BSC programs who are in similar if not worse shape than we are is inexcusable.

My suggestion to those who want Katz gone is to bombard Wanless & Gonzo’s email with complaints and concerns.

Wanless: [email protected]
Gonzo: [email protected]

I don’t blame anyone for circling the wagons with pitchforks and torches in hand.
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
Hornets, none of this going to change until the school admin, namely Dr. Gonzalez gets serious about building an arena. Period. This isnt Northridge (who can't give two shits about athletics in general) or Portland State (where they can get away with a crappy gym as well).

This program will flounder until an arena gets built. Period. We cannot recruit decent players, regardless of the coach, to play in the Nest any longer. Too much competition (other schools and television, ipods, iphones, etc.).
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You're right, we should just keep buying into the fact that we will SUCK until we get a new areana. I'm sure that will solve everything! THIS IS BS!!

The PAC 12 have unbelievable facilities but not a single team in the top 25. Yet tiny St Mary's college, with a 3,500 seat arena will most likely be ranked this week after they dismantled the Zags. Davis has a great baskeball arena yet they suck worse than we do.

Sure we'll never be a BSC power in the Nest - but if Portland St and Northridge can win the BSC title in facilities EXACTLY like ours, why shouldn't we expect to finish in the middle? Why can't we qualify just once?

Tiny Wagner College is 13-3 with wins over Pitt and Santa Clara, they have also recieved some top 25 votes this season. What are their facilities like? They play in a 2100 seat gym - yes they can beat a national power and compete for their conference title in a gym similar to ours. Yet people on this board say we can't compete, we can't win, we should expect to finish last until we have a new gym.

Yes, you're correct a new areana will solve everything! Until then we should just accept the status quo.
 
At least SMC's gym is a real college gym, unlike ours. Hell I'd just settle for expanding ours instead of doing the same thing over and over, which is nothing at all. That's insanity.

Jenkins never had real success here. His winning % wasn't that much better than Katz. Not saying that is the end all be all. But the problems lie much bigger than who is head coach.
 
As fans we need to stop the "loser" mentality, the one that justifies the poor product that's rolled out year after year. If that means we churn a few coaches until we find someone that makes things happen then so be it.

Winners find way's to get things done, losers find reasons why it can't be done!
 
Side by side comparison of the two:

Jenkins: ’00-’08 Record: 80-147 (37-81 BSC)
  • • 2000-01: 5-22 (2-14)
    • 2001-02: 9-19 (3-11)
    • 2002-03: 12-17 (5-9)* BSC Tournament Win
    • 2003-04: 13-15 (7-7)* BSC Tournament Appearance
    • 2004-05: 12-16 (8-6)* BSC Tournament Appearance
    • 2005-06: 15-15 (5-9)* BSC Tournament Win
    • 2006-07: 10-19 (5-11)
    • 2007-08: 4-24 (4-14)
Katz: ’08-Pres Record: 23-79 (9-43 BSC)
  • • 2008-09: 2-27 (1-15)
    • 2009-10: 9-21 (3-13)
    • 2010-11: 7-21 (5-11)
    • 2011-Pres: 5-10 (0-4)* 1 OOC & 12 BSC games remaining
Down play Jenkins’ success all you want, he had this program relevant in the BSC and even got some national exposure with the athletes he recruited here. Hell, Jenkins would have won a lot more games had he been coaching against the downtrodden state of the BSC programs these recent years. Katz will never come close to reaching the bar set by Jenkins. By the 3rd year, Jenkins had reached a double digit win season, Katz’ teams regressed since his second season and more than likely won’t reach 10 wins in his 4th season here.
 
Just when we are starting to get some good young players, everyone is calling for Katz head. We are 0-4 in BSC play, but are very competitive and will get to double digit wins this year, stop the panic train people.
 
mattman_121 said:
Just when we are starting to get some good young players, everyone is calling for Katz head. We are 0-4 in BSC play, but are very competitive and will get to double digit wins this year, stop the panic train people.
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You might want to retract this post. Sign me up for the "fire Katz" train. Given what returns next season I thought I could hold out until next season but enough is enough. This guy has shown time and time again that he doesn't have what it takes to prepare his players to finish games. Time for Katz to go. :twisted:
 
Im really amazed that some of you think that the size of the gym has ANYTHING to do with the wins and loses, if the coach is good it doesn't matter where they play as long as they play. He has set up the karma for his team and unfortunately the team has to suffer. Everyone knows they should have won last night with the point spread that they had, it is sad that they had to hustle till the end and lose, the last point shot, foul, free-throw, etc should not have been a factor. A spanking new arena will not be filled with the team's record...who'd come to watch them lose?

If they won more, it would spark up interest, which would equal...Butts in Seats!
Which would equal... more revenue
Which would equal...more money to build a new gym!
 
heyihavenoidea said:
Im really amazed that some of you think that the size of the gym has ANYTHING to do with the wins and loses, if the coach is good it doesn't matter where they play as long as they play. He has set up the karma for his team and unfortunately the team has to suffer. Everyone knows they should have won last night with the point spread that they had, it is sad that they had to hustle till the end and lose, the last point shot, foul, free-throw, etc should not have been a factor. A spanking new arena will not be filled with the team's record...who'd come to watch them lose?

If they won more, it would spark up interest, which would equal...Butts in Seats!
Which would equal... more revenue
Which would equal...more money to build a new gym!
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Even if we fill the place, it only seats 1200, with about 500 of those seats allocated to students, which are not charged a ticket price because they pay an athletic fee. So no amount of money filling the place every night would lead to building a new arena. To do so you would need other revenue streams, which I'm sure the school admin knows what's available and what they can get, but haven't provided a concrete plan.

But since you seem to have all the answers you knew that already :roll:
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
heyihavenoidea said:
Im really amazed that some of you think that the size of the gym has ANYTHING to do with the wins and loses, if the coach is good it doesn't matter where they play as long as they play. He has set up the karma for his team and unfortunately the team has to suffer. Everyone knows they should have won last night with the point spread that they had, it is sad that they had to hustle till the end and lose, the last point shot, foul, free-throw, etc should not have been a factor. A spanking new arena will not be filled with the team's record...who'd come to watch them lose?

If they won more, it would spark up interest, which would equal...Butts in Seats!
Which would equal... more revenue
Which would equal...more money to build a new gym!
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Even if we fill the place, it only seats 1200, with about 500 of those seats allocated to students, which are not charged a ticket price because they pay an athletic fee. So no amount of money filling the place every night would lead to building a new arena. To do so you would need other revenue streams, which I'm sure the school admin knows what's available and what they can get, but haven't provided a concrete plan.

But since you seem to have all the answers you knew that already :roll:
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I guess I do have all the answers :thumb: because revenue is not only the cost to attend the game, there are also concessions, advertising etc. :notworthy:
 
I guess I do have all the answers because revenue is not only the cost to attend the game, there are also concessions, advertising etc.
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Revenue, attendance, concessions - all of those things works themselves out when the team wins on a regular basis. Finishing last (every year) has a way of causing the balance sheet to come up a little short. So Wanless needs to decided whehter he wants to be short on funding due to buying out a contract, or be short of funding because NO ONE IS GOING TO COME AND WATCH THIS BS!

If a coach can't show improvement in four years, it's not going to happen!
 
I agree but it’s safe to say Katz will definitely be here next year. First off, Katz has 3 more seasons on his contract meaning his firing will cost a pretty penny. When Katz falls on his face again next year I could possibly see a move made after next season; sadly this is the best case scenario for us Hornet fans.

Secondly, a bunch of players return and that ridiculous tag line of “we have a lot of experience returning” will actually mean something next year (I don’t know what Katz was thinking using the “experience” spin on a season that returned 2 starting players).

Third, Wanless is lazy. The last thing his lazy ass wants to do is conduct a search that requires more than looking at the local JC coaches in the backyard. I have a hard time seeing him putting in work scrounging around other D-1 programs looking for an assistant coach who wants a shot at an undesirable HC position here.

Fourth, enter all the other excuses people have used as a cop out to excuse the terrible performance of this program under Katz. :roll:
 
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