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Our special teams did well against Colorado. It was expected that our offense and defense would struggle. It happens every season during our money games.
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Tacoma5 said:Deleting my comment as my emotions are getting the best of me. Let's hope we use the weapons we have a little better going forward.
no worries. it is all about league rather than these money games
up for the challenge said:Tacoma5 said:Deleting my comment as my emotions are getting the best of me. Let's hope we use the weapons we have a little better going forward.
no worries. it is all about league rather than these money games
Yeah just stay healthy for league schedule. Coach Kramer said in an interview awhile ago maybe in July I think it was that he would know how our season would go based on our how our special teams play was during the Colorado and OSU games. He said he knew the season would be a tough season last year based on there special teams play in the BSU and UNLV games last year. Sounds like the special teams play was good today as far as no significant return yards for them and our punter averaged 41 yds etc etc. We averaged like 21 yards per kick return which while I know that is not great I remember Coach Kramer saying a lot of games last year the ISU kick returns would only get returned to like the 13 yard line etc etc and they had to start drives from the 13 yard line. We tied them in the turnover battle, we threw an interception and we recovered a fumble from them. At least we didn't cough the ball up all over the field. Just stay healthy and get better this week and improve. I would say Colorado may be a fairly decent team, its not like Colorado is UNLV or say like UTEP or San Jose State or some team like that, Colorado absolutely destroyed Colorado State last week (an FBS team), the buffs were ahead 31-0 at halftime vs CSU, Buffs held CSU qb's to 63 yards passing in the whole game, Buffs picked off TWO passes from CSU etc etc. Maybe Colorado is pretty good. They obviously didn't screw around and take the game for granted they came in and took care of there business.
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I would only play Gueller one or two quarters against Oregon State and let our backups QB's in Jewell and Kvinsland get some work in as they need some playing experience. It is not like we are going to win or make it a close game with Gueller playing most of the game. Oregon State will have a 28 point lead or more by half time. Just another money game.
mguernsey_isj
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Recap+photos and quotes from Mike Kramer following yesterday's game: http://idahostatejournal.com/members/isu-football-rocky-mountain-woes-bengals-sputter-in--/article_31a84736-029f-5485-a9a2-e4f27fe8a814.html
BengalBannMan
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It felt to me that our team was instructed to play a below pace/protect yourself type of football. It seemed our weapons were protected and used sparingly. Yes, they completely stopped us, as expected. But, instead of continuing to hurt our players, we just strolled through the game (like a boxer getting beat, but just keeping his hands up to protect the face) and collected our money. It was nice to see our back ups in the 4th quarter. Kinda made me giggle a little.
Special Teams... :clap:
Special Teams... :clap:
catscratch
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There were plenty of positives if we are willing to take a sober look at things.
S.T's-
Special teams definitely one of those (as noted by Up For The Challenge).
Overall-
For the most part we played with them in the 2nd half. Granted, they took their foot off our throats by subbing out their stars, but the guys still on the field wanted it just as bad as those in the 1st half, and they wanted to prove their point that they too deserved to play. Our team is far more comfortable in their skin than last year.
Offense-
Gueller was definitely showing maturity while enduring what was a nearly impossible situation (all things considered). Evidenced by the many times he chose to show restraint and accept a personally negative outcome when he would have much preferred to run it, or try a low probability throw. (both pet-peeve no-no's of Coach K).
That won't show up as measurable +'s production in stats, (other than less turnovers) but it does represent as a "wax-on, wax-off" Karate Kid lesson heard, understood, & applied kind of way. (noteworthy if you listened to Kramer's critique from last game and what he said he expected from Gueller). He did what he was told, and the fact that it didn't align with his natural instincts shows his maturity & coach-ability.
Conversely, had he not listened/obeyed? Could have been Gueller throwing for 250 yards, 4 INT's and a score of 80/14 w/Gueller being pulled for not following orders (back to last year's rodeo). That said, I think it gets chalked up as a day of training, work on the areas he missed it, pat him on the back, and focus on what he did well. He is definitely improving.
Defense-
They went hard after Ricks. Not that they picked him as their target. Rather, they picked their best receiver as their target and Ricks got the assignment. He will learn a lot from watching the film because several times he was right there with him (just needed to turn his head and put up his hand "which he normally does"). I think the guy got into Ricks head after a bit.
Ricks will impress us all in league play, I have no question of that. He's good.
All said, I think we'll build on this.
S.T's-
Special teams definitely one of those (as noted by Up For The Challenge).
Overall-
For the most part we played with them in the 2nd half. Granted, they took their foot off our throats by subbing out their stars, but the guys still on the field wanted it just as bad as those in the 1st half, and they wanted to prove their point that they too deserved to play. Our team is far more comfortable in their skin than last year.
Offense-
Gueller was definitely showing maturity while enduring what was a nearly impossible situation (all things considered). Evidenced by the many times he chose to show restraint and accept a personally negative outcome when he would have much preferred to run it, or try a low probability throw. (both pet-peeve no-no's of Coach K).
That won't show up as measurable +'s production in stats, (other than less turnovers) but it does represent as a "wax-on, wax-off" Karate Kid lesson heard, understood, & applied kind of way. (noteworthy if you listened to Kramer's critique from last game and what he said he expected from Gueller). He did what he was told, and the fact that it didn't align with his natural instincts shows his maturity & coach-ability.
Conversely, had he not listened/obeyed? Could have been Gueller throwing for 250 yards, 4 INT's and a score of 80/14 w/Gueller being pulled for not following orders (back to last year's rodeo). That said, I think it gets chalked up as a day of training, work on the areas he missed it, pat him on the back, and focus on what he did well. He is definitely improving.
Defense-
They went hard after Ricks. Not that they picked him as their target. Rather, they picked their best receiver as their target and Ricks got the assignment. He will learn a lot from watching the film because several times he was right there with him (just needed to turn his head and put up his hand "which he normally does"). I think the guy got into Ricks head after a bit.
Ricks will impress us all in league play, I have no question of that. He's good.
All said, I think we'll build on this.
Reborn2010
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The Idaho St Journal's article is great and enlightening. I must admit, however that reading it made me feel sick. I am new to Idaho St football, and my hopes were certainly shattered for this year. The article did bring me back to reality. I actually thought from reading previous articles in the journal, that ISU would at least have a good defense this year. What blew me away though was that Colorado had 49 points AT THE HALF. That is really almost laughable. Was that really our varsity out there????? Colorado must have played their reserves the second half, as they only scored one touchdown the second half; so in a way it's kind of promising because we did well on defense against their reserves. From my observation at this point, I'd say that the team will be pretty much like last year, and hopefully a little better. Maybe we'll win 3 or 4 this year.
ON offense IST didn't even get 100 yd total offense. Yep total. And only something like 34 yards rushing on 14 plays. I thought we were going to have a run dominant offense. The rush offense averaged just over one yard per carry. When looking at the stats on ESPN Kramer tried about 6 running backs, and 4 of them only got one carry. Like Michael Dean, he got only one carry for 1 yard. There were 3 others with one carry for 1 yard. Why use six running backs? That sounds crazy to me. This is the kind of offense you get when you have 3 freshmen starting. This was the one thing I really wanted to see about the offense, how well would the line be with 3 freshmen starting.
ON offense IST didn't even get 100 yd total offense. Yep total. And only something like 34 yards rushing on 14 plays. I thought we were going to have a run dominant offense. The rush offense averaged just over one yard per carry. When looking at the stats on ESPN Kramer tried about 6 running backs, and 4 of them only got one carry. Like Michael Dean, he got only one carry for 1 yard. There were 3 others with one carry for 1 yard. Why use six running backs? That sounds crazy to me. This is the kind of offense you get when you have 3 freshmen starting. This was the one thing I really wanted to see about the offense, how well would the line be with 3 freshmen starting.
BengalBannMan
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Reborn2010 said:The Idaho St Journal's article is great and enlightening. I must admit, however that reading it made me feel sick. I am new to Idaho St football, and my hopes were certainly shattered for this year. The article did bring me back to reality. I actually thought from reading previous articles in the journal, that ISU would at least have a good defense this year. What blew me away though was that Colorado had 49 points AT THE HALF. That is really almost laughable. Was that really our varsity out there????? Colorado must have played their reserves the second half, as they only scored one touchdown the second half; so in a way it's kind of promising because we did well on defense against their reserves. From my observation at this point, I'd say that the team will be pretty much like last year, and hopefully a little better. Maybe we'll win 3 or 4 this year.
ON offense IST didn't even get 100 yd total offense. Yep total. And only something like 34 yards rushing on 14 plays. I thought we were going to have a run dominant offense. The rush offense averaged just over one yard per carry. When looking at the stats on ESPN Kramer tried about 6 running backs, and 4 of them only got one carry. Like Michael Dean, he got only one carry for 1 yard. There were 3 others with one carry for 1 yard. Why use six running backs? That sounds crazy to me. This is the kind of offense you get when you have 3 freshmen starting. This was the one thing I really wanted to see about the offense, how well would the line be with 3 freshmen starting.
Reborn, don't be that discouraged already. YOU DID NOT WATCH OUR TEAM YESTERDAY. Kramer hates theses games and does not try to show that we can hang with them even for a quarter. Other coaches throw in some trick plays and run their best running back A LOT. With 4 running backs getting ONE carry, that should show you he is there to get the payday, DON'T HAVE AN INJURY, and get onto what matters, CONFERENCE PLAY. To my knowledge we did not have an injury yesterday, and we received a half a million dollars. THAT'S A WIN.
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We did not play cautious to protect our players from injuries. Colorado could have scored 80 points against us if they wanted too. Our team just cannot compete against FBS teams as the FBS teams are bigger, faster, and more talented than our players. There are some teams in the Big Sky that have shown throughout the years that they can compete against FBS teams such as Eastern Washington, Northern Arizona, Cal Poly, Montana, and Montana State. Some of them actually were able to get a win or make it close. These are the teams that always seem to be contending for the Big Sky Championship near the end of the season. I see it no different this season as these teams seem to be the elite teams almost every season.
BengalBannMan
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You're right. Our team cannot play on the FBS level. That's why we played cautiously to not get people hurt.
boisebengal
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Look at this post of mine, I was right on the money as I accurately predicted the score 56-7! Did I just win the weekly contest? Any money involved?
boisebengal said:I predict we'll lose 56-7. People here don't realize how good Colorado's defense is -- especially their secondary. We'll probably just have to try to run and throw short passes and still won't be able to do much. Colorado won't show much but won't have to, they'll run a basic vanilla offense.
Reborn2010 said:The Idaho St Journal's article is great and enlightening. I must admit, however that reading it made me feel sick. I am new to Idaho St football, and my hopes were certainly shattered for this year. The article did bring me back to reality. I actually thought from reading previous articles in the journal, that ISU would at least have a good defense this year. What blew me away though was that Colorado had 49 points AT THE HALF. That is really almost laughable. Was that really our varsity out there????? Colorado must have played their reserves the second half, as they only scored one touchdown the second half; so in a way it's kind of promising because we did well on defense against their reserves. From my observation at this point, I'd say that the team will be pretty much like last year, and hopefully a little better. Maybe we'll win 3 or 4 this year.
ON offense IST didn't even get 100 yd total offense. Yep total. And only something like 34 yards rushing on 14 plays. I thought we were going to have a run dominant offense. The rush offense averaged just over one yard per carry. When looking at the stats on ESPN Kramer tried about 6 running backs, and 4 of them only got one carry. Like Michael Dean, he got only one carry for 1 yard. There were 3 others with one carry for 1 yard. Why use six running backs? That sounds crazy to me. This is the kind of offense you get when you have 3 freshmen starting. This was the one thing I really wanted to see about the offense, how well would the line be with 3 freshmen starting.
Reborn:
I wouldn't judge to much anything from the first three games this season one way or the other. The gap between ISU and those opponents is a very big one both ways.
PBP
I've come to the realization that we need to get through Oregon safely and bring a pounding to Sac State the following weekend at home. Although OSU is one of the lower ranked teams in the Pac-12, we should get more offense time on the field regardless of outcome. Hopefully by Sac we'll have some injured starters back. There is no way I'd bring any cleared injured guys back for these money games. Wait till it matters.
On a side note, my son told me regardless of the outcome the team had a good time and we're in good spirits. Being police escorted into the game with the hype and atmosphere of Pac12 facility and 39k fans was a great experience for some of these first timers. Win or lose, these will be great memories for them.
Reborn2010
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A very cool post. I am happy for them.
