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OC Schramm Gone
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SWeberCat02
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The Dan said:
:+1:
WSUWildcat
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SWeberCat02 said:
Hope we find a good OC. With the right scheme and better play calling, this could be a much improved team on offense.
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AlumniWSU said:
:+1:
oldrunner
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Whom ever the new OC will be, they will work within the frame given them by Coach Hill. Jay likes to be predictable, predictably good, but predictable as far as establishing the run game, passing when needed, and throwing in a few tricks here and there to keep it fun for the kids and fans. I don't expect any of that to change. With that said, I think there could be room for less predictability in the kinds of running and passing plays. We need to be fundamentally sound, but a little misdirection can really mess with a defense. I think that was the biggest thing missing from our O over the past few years. Who ever the new OC is, they will have some excellent athletes to work with.
Can hardly wait for September. :notworthy: :notworthy:
Can hardly wait for September. :notworthy: :notworthy:
WSUWildcat
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Damnit! Hammer is the new OC. I sure hope he is better this time than last time.
https://twitter.com/weberstatefb/status/1227378504548769793?s=19
https://twitter.com/weberstatefb/status/1227378504548769793?s=19
SWWeatherCat
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WSUWildcat said:
hno: Well, I guess at worst it'll be like Schramm never left, or like Hammer never left the first time. I didn't think there was much difference between the two. At best, he grew and figured some things out at Weber High. He did have a few years of very good offensive teams there. I'm not sure if that had more to do with the kids playing at the time or not.
Chex
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SWWeatherCat said:WSUWildcat said:
Honestly, this is probably the selection I was hoping wouldn’t happen. I know Jay rewards coaching staff, but it is a retread, and those don’t work out a lot of the time.
It would have been nice to know the names of the ten people who called just to see the level of talent Weber State is drawing these days...but maybe it’s better not to know now.
Here’s hoping Hammer has learned a bit and will run a more dynamic offense. I will keep an open mind. Now it will be interesting to see what QB is the starter. I can’t wait for football!
SWeberCat02
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I half expected this but not sure what the hurry was. Would have liked to have seen more of a search. Hammer's previous stint as OC wasn't terrible, but wasn't great either. Had some good talent his first few seasons, which helped a lot. His last season under Sears was really bad, but then what wasn't bad under Sears.
WSUWildcat
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SWeberCat02 said:
Just over two weeks before the first spring practice. I am sure they wanted to get an offensive scheme in place before then.
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WSUWildcat said:
Man, didn't realize spring practice started that soon. Feels like the season just ended.
WSUWildcat
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Just thought I would pull some statistics on Matt Hammer's previous stint as OC and compare them to Coach Schramm's offensive stats. I have also included the season immediately before and after Hammer was the OC for comparison purposes. Analysis will be in a follow up post.
Matt Hammer Years 2009-2012
2009
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Trevyn Smith, Bo Bolen, WR Tim Toone, Joe Collins
28.2 points
115.3 rushing
283.3 passing
398.7 total
5.6 yards per play
46% 3rd down conversions
75% Red Zone scoring
55% Red Zone touchdowns
2010
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Bo Bolen, Vai Tafuna, Josh Booker, WR Joe Collins, Mike Phillips
25.4 points
181.1 rushing
259.7 passing
440.8 total
5.6 yards per play
45% 3rd down conversions
76% Red Zone scoring
49% Red Zone touchdowns
2011
Key personnel: QB Mike Hoke, RB Josh Booker, CJ Tuckett, WR Shaydon Kehano, Xavian Johnson
31.5 points
205.5 rushing
209.5 passing
415.0 total
6.0 yards per play
39% 3rd down conversions
81% Red Zone scoring
66% Red Zone touchdowns
2012
Key personnel: QB Mike Hoke, RB CJ Tuckett, WR Xavian Johnson, Jordan Clemente
21.7 points
152.6 rushing
202.4 passing
355.0 total
4.8 yards per play
40% 3rd down conversions
91% Red Zone scoring
75% Red Zone touchdowns
Pre Matt Hammer
2008
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Trevyn Smith, WR Tim Toone, Cody Nakamura, Bryant Eteuati
35.2 points
131.0 rushing
324.3 passing
455.3 total
6.9 yards per play
44% 3rd down conversions
85% Red Zone scoring
71% Red Zone touchdowns
Post Matt Hammer
2013
Key personnel: QB Chipoletti, RB Bo Bolen, Josh Booker, WR Erik Walker
15.8 points
136.6 rushing
159.0 passing
295.6 total
4.2 yards per play
29% 3rd down conversions
74% Red Zone scoring
61% Red Zone touchdowns
Dave Schramm 2018 - 2019
2018
Key personnel: QB Jake Constantine, RB Josh Davis, Treshawn Garrett, WR Rashid Shaheed, Darryl Denby, Devon Cooley
27.8 points
140.5 rushing
180.6 passing
321.2 total
4.7 yards per play
28% 3rd down conversions
85% Red Zone scoring
58% Red Zone touchdowns
2019
Key personnel: QB Jake Constantine, RB Josh Davis, Kevin Smith, WR Devon Cooley, David Ames
27.8 points
150.8 rushing
188.6 passing
339.4 total
5.1 yards per play
35% 3rd down conversions
86% Red Zone scoring
60% Red Zone touchdowns
Matt Hammer Years 2009-2012
2009
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Trevyn Smith, Bo Bolen, WR Tim Toone, Joe Collins
28.2 points
115.3 rushing
283.3 passing
398.7 total
5.6 yards per play
46% 3rd down conversions
75% Red Zone scoring
55% Red Zone touchdowns
2010
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Bo Bolen, Vai Tafuna, Josh Booker, WR Joe Collins, Mike Phillips
25.4 points
181.1 rushing
259.7 passing
440.8 total
5.6 yards per play
45% 3rd down conversions
76% Red Zone scoring
49% Red Zone touchdowns
2011
Key personnel: QB Mike Hoke, RB Josh Booker, CJ Tuckett, WR Shaydon Kehano, Xavian Johnson
31.5 points
205.5 rushing
209.5 passing
415.0 total
6.0 yards per play
39% 3rd down conversions
81% Red Zone scoring
66% Red Zone touchdowns
2012
Key personnel: QB Mike Hoke, RB CJ Tuckett, WR Xavian Johnson, Jordan Clemente
21.7 points
152.6 rushing
202.4 passing
355.0 total
4.8 yards per play
40% 3rd down conversions
91% Red Zone scoring
75% Red Zone touchdowns
Pre Matt Hammer
2008
Key personnel: QB Cameron Higgins, RB Trevyn Smith, WR Tim Toone, Cody Nakamura, Bryant Eteuati
35.2 points
131.0 rushing
324.3 passing
455.3 total
6.9 yards per play
44% 3rd down conversions
85% Red Zone scoring
71% Red Zone touchdowns
Post Matt Hammer
2013
Key personnel: QB Chipoletti, RB Bo Bolen, Josh Booker, WR Erik Walker
15.8 points
136.6 rushing
159.0 passing
295.6 total
4.2 yards per play
29% 3rd down conversions
74% Red Zone scoring
61% Red Zone touchdowns
Dave Schramm 2018 - 2019
2018
Key personnel: QB Jake Constantine, RB Josh Davis, Treshawn Garrett, WR Rashid Shaheed, Darryl Denby, Devon Cooley
27.8 points
140.5 rushing
180.6 passing
321.2 total
4.7 yards per play
28% 3rd down conversions
85% Red Zone scoring
58% Red Zone touchdowns
2019
Key personnel: QB Jake Constantine, RB Josh Davis, Kevin Smith, WR Devon Cooley, David Ames
27.8 points
150.8 rushing
188.6 passing
339.4 total
5.1 yards per play
35% 3rd down conversions
86% Red Zone scoring
60% Red Zone touchdowns
WSUWildcat
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Some quick initial thoughts.
Hammers last year came post-Lucifer and the number of Coach Mac players run off in the spring was pretty high. Hammer's results that year probably reflect more on the offseason than what happened in season. The team absolutely quit playing and was outscored by an average of 25.6 points per game.
So the analysis of Hammer really comes down to three seasons and requires a look at his key personnel during those seasons ( 2009-2011).
Hammer's offenses averaged a respectable 418 yards per game and scored an average 28.4 points per game with all three years averaging above 5.6 yards per play. 3rd down conversion percentage trended downward each year starting at 46% and ending at 39%.
All of these stats seem to indicate an above average offense. So why do I and others remember Matt Hammer as a poor OC.
In 2008 the personnel group is largely the same, though in theory younger and less experienced. However statistically, this team was much better than Hammers teams were. They averaged more points per game and more yards per game, with a higher red zone scoring and touchdown percentage.
I am certain that offensive success is somewhat equally tied to talent at key positions and coaching scheme/play calling. With the same QB and similar talent at RB and WR, this team seemed to get progressively worse each year under Hammer's control. While they were not terrible until the final year, they also did not appear to improve either.
While Hammer was the OC, I was present at every home game and watched as many road games as possible. The plays that haunt me are all eerily similar running plays on 3rd or 4th and 5+ yards in the red zone where Weber was stopped for little or no gain. This is where I hope Hammer has improved.
I am optimistic that 10 years of coaching has changed Matt Hammer for the better. I do believe he is capable of creating an offense that can be successful as long as he has the personnel and makes adjustments to his decision making.
Schramms offense was bad. Maybe the scheme, maybe the QB, but the offense was terrible to watch and statistics reflect that. Schramm was truly inept, he may not have had the right system or the right QB, but regardless of the causes, it was not working. Hammer looks pretty good by comparison.
Hammers last year came post-Lucifer and the number of Coach Mac players run off in the spring was pretty high. Hammer's results that year probably reflect more on the offseason than what happened in season. The team absolutely quit playing and was outscored by an average of 25.6 points per game.
So the analysis of Hammer really comes down to three seasons and requires a look at his key personnel during those seasons ( 2009-2011).
Hammer's offenses averaged a respectable 418 yards per game and scored an average 28.4 points per game with all three years averaging above 5.6 yards per play. 3rd down conversion percentage trended downward each year starting at 46% and ending at 39%.
All of these stats seem to indicate an above average offense. So why do I and others remember Matt Hammer as a poor OC.
In 2008 the personnel group is largely the same, though in theory younger and less experienced. However statistically, this team was much better than Hammers teams were. They averaged more points per game and more yards per game, with a higher red zone scoring and touchdown percentage.
I am certain that offensive success is somewhat equally tied to talent at key positions and coaching scheme/play calling. With the same QB and similar talent at RB and WR, this team seemed to get progressively worse each year under Hammer's control. While they were not terrible until the final year, they also did not appear to improve either.
While Hammer was the OC, I was present at every home game and watched as many road games as possible. The plays that haunt me are all eerily similar running plays on 3rd or 4th and 5+ yards in the red zone where Weber was stopped for little or no gain. This is where I hope Hammer has improved.
I am optimistic that 10 years of coaching has changed Matt Hammer for the better. I do believe he is capable of creating an offense that can be successful as long as he has the personnel and makes adjustments to his decision making.
Schramms offense was bad. Maybe the scheme, maybe the QB, but the offense was terrible to watch and statistics reflect that. Schramm was truly inept, he may not have had the right system or the right QB, but regardless of the causes, it was not working. Hammer looks pretty good by comparison.
