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Pomeroy Rankings for Big Sky

Webergrad02

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Weber = 140
Easter Washington = 201
Northern Colorado = 249
Ramento State = 252 (You have to be ranked better than 200 to have a "sac", in your name)
Idaho = 254
Norhtern Arizona = 255
Montana = 264
Portland State = 273
Idaho State = 281 (Ken Poms rankings don't account for the Ian Fox effect)
North Dakota = 315
Montana State = 327
Southern Utah = 341

Other in-state schools
Utah = 42
Byu = 43
Utah State = 152
UVU = 248
 
Here is his explanation for his pre-season rankings.

Pre-season ratings have been posted for the upcoming season. When I first started doing these before the 2011 season, I thought I was pretty awesome. It was kind of a big deal to get every team’s lineup data, mix in some limited recruiting info, and produce a rating that wasn’t laughably horrible. But then Hanner came along with his lineup-based approach and TeamRankings did something that is probably fairly sophisticated, and my preseason ratings became the simplest algorithm possible without being a complete joke.

The system is largely the same as in recent seasons. It independently predicts a team’s adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency. As a reminder, it uses information split into two categories:

- Base level of the program. This takes into account the last five seasons of data for the same unit (offense for predicting offense) and the last season for the opposite unit (defense for predicting offense). It also includes data for how much money the program has spent on men’s basketball for the last three seasons. The bulk of this component is determined by the most recent season’s performance of the unit.

You can make a decent predictive system just by knowing what is normal for a program. If we were predicting the Big 12 standings in 2025 (assuming the conference exists), it would bereasonably safe to say that Kansas will have a winning record and TCU will have a losing record. We can say that with some confidence even though some of the players on those rosters haven’t picked up a basketball yet.

- Personnel. This component handles who’s coming back from last season’s team and which impact recruits are being added to the roster. More impact is given to returning players from earlier classes. And minutes played by those with a high-efficiency/high-usage profile are particularly important. Recruits in the RSCI top 100 have some influence here as well, although most of the influence is in the top 50.

The goal here is really to get each conference’s pecking order correct and to predict end-of-season ratings. To that extent, if a player is expected to be available by late-January or so, he’s included in the personnel calculations. This applies to Louisville’s Chane Behanan and Florida’s Chris Walker, while Georgetown’s Greg Whittington is not included although he may well see action later in the season.

You can find additional discussion in last season’s piece.

Now let’s get to the question a lot of people will be asking.

Why is [state your favorite team] rated lower than it should be?

It’s because one or both of the components is missing something. Perhaps recent seasons are not representative of your team’s normal level. The personnel component doesn’t consider transfers or recruits outside the top 100. It does have knowledge of players that played two seasons ago but missed last season, but that is a small influence. So if your team has players that the personnel component can’t see (transfers, junior college players, and non top-100 recruits for mid-majors), then it’s possible your team is underrated. Keep in mind, though, that the first component handles some of this. It effectively sets a “replacement level” for new players on the roster that aren’t accounted for in the personnel component.

The system doesn’t think as highly of freshmen as AP voters will and it likes good teams that return a lot of players. Hence Oklahoma State, Iowa, UConn, Creighton, and Stanford are ranked higher than the humans and Kentucky, Kansas, and Arizona are ranked lower. (Hey, the Fab Five were ranked #20 in the preseason by the humans, so leave me alone.) Andrew Wiggins and Julius Randle are not your typical first- and second-ranked recruits, so perhaps I could have made some subjective adjustments here, but I chose not to.

Last season, the system managed to hold its own against others, with a mean absolute error of about 2.14 on predicting conference wins. It had some good calls and some bad ones, some of which were discussed in the linked piece. Refer to your local message board archives for additional details.

It’s worth mentioning that at the end of the season, any conference’s standings will not look like what is currently predicted. Meaning, it’s obviously going to take more than 12 wins to win the Big East or 13 to win the Big Ten. But the top teams in those conferences are similar enough that a reasonable expectation for the win total of each of those teams can not be very high.
 
Thanks for the info.

Ken definitely does a thorough analysis of each team. Can't blame him for the numbers. He gets them directly from his algorithms. I wouldn't put Weber anywhere higher than 140 right now. Hopefully as the season goes on the number starts to fall. To bad we can't get the Utes on the schedule. That would be one way to get our overall number to go up. Weber doesn't match up well with the Cougars, but the Cats do match up well with the Utes.
 
Here are some items that he should add to his algorithms that would help Big Sky schools.

The bald coach head rubbing magic factor - Eastern
The two star recruit with overzealous dad that posts overhyped bs on the web adjustment - ISU
The home arena smelling like death factor - Northern Colorado
The we practice at sea level and have to play many of our conference games at elevation adjustment - Ramento State
 
As a whole the conference has bumped up a little in the rankings.

Weber = 157
Eastern Washington = 154
Northern Colorado = 245
Ramento State = 246
Idaho = 240
Norhtern Arizona = 269
Montana = 250
Portland State = 238
Idaho State = 297
North Dakota = 313
Montana State = 330
Southern Utah = 342

Other in-state schools
Utah = 44
Byu = 46
Utah State = 116
UVU = 267
 

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