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PSU VS Lewis & Clark

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As all the PSU fans know, the Stott Center floor was flooded after the sprinkler system was set off during a softball open gym (why they are allowed to use the main gym is beyond me). Therefore, wednesday night’s game will be played in an alternate venue nearby. Though the venue for this game is still unknown, the outcome will likely be unaffected. The Pioneers, who play in the Northwest Conference of NCAA Division III shouldn’t really present a challenge for the Vikings unless a disaster happens, like 3 of their starters get injured. So far this season, the Pioneers are 3-1 with their loss coming at the hands of Pacific in a 92-47 drubbing. With the change in venue, the Vikings may not duplicate that points spread, but it is easy to believe they could come close. The Vikings have an advantage at every position, but it isn’t as severe at the point, because the Pioneers have a talented senior from Benson Tech named Thomas Tillery running the show.

Match-Ups
L&C: Garrett Waagmeester/Tyson Papenfuss PSU: Scott Morrison/Julius Thomas/JR Moore
Though he hasn’t played much, Lewis & Clark will probably have to resort to starting Waagmeester against Morrison. He is the team’s biggest player at only 6′7″ and 215 pounds. Morrison has taken advantage of these mismatches so far this season, and there’s no reason to believe that he won’t in this game. The other option they have used so far at this position is Tyson Papenfuss. At 6′5″ he’s another guy the Vikings can exploit down low. In the previous games against inferior opponents so far this season, Morrison has gone about 20 minutes with Julius Thomas and JR Moore filling the rest of the time. That trend should continue in this contest. Honestly, any of the 3 for the Vikings could probably score 10 points against the Pioneer front line if they really wanted to.

L&C: David Berggren PSU: Tyrell Mara/Kyle Coston
They are both 6′6″, but that’s about all they have in common. Mara is stronger, and a better overall player. After hitting a few 3 balls early, look for Mara to get a rest and give Coston a chance, which will create a match-up that’s a little more even. Coston’s been off and on this year, so this will provide him an opportunity for a little more confidence before the tough match-up with Washington State.

L&C: Joey Toboni PSU: Deonte Huff
Both players really like to shoot the ball. Depending on who can hit more shots, this could be a position where the production is almost equal. However, Huff’s ability to penetrate and create free throws gives him an edge, along with his ability to rebound over almost anyone. This is another game for highlight dunks, but fans may not see them dependent on the venue.

L&C: Gene Rivera PSU: Dupree Lucas/Andre Murray
Rivera is a role player offensively, but plays solid defense and creates some turnovers. This game is an opportunity for Lucas to get back on track. If he doesn’t he may lose his spot in the rotation to Murray, who had a very solid game at Utah Valley over the weekend.

L&C: Thomas Tillery PSU: Jeremiah Dominguez/Mickey Polis/Brian Curtis
Senior Thomas Tillery is one of the real strengths for the Pioneers. A scoring point guard, he will probably win a lot of games this year on his own. He may even draw Dominguez into foul trouble. If this occurs, it shouldn’t be an issue for the Vikings. Instead it will give Polis a chance to show off his jumper, and maybe Curtis to play a few minutes.

We should know the venue for the game by Wednesday morning, and hopefully it will be one that the Viking fans can get to so that they can create a home-like atmosphere.

Prediction: PSU 85-52
 
Waagmeester and Papenfuss? This is by far the greatest name combo we've ever gone up against. We should play this game in Whoville. ;-)
 
The Rose Garden is great, but I doubt it will be much of a home court advantage. They shouldn't need it on Wednesday, but I hope they can have the Stott ready next week for a more difficult game.
 
WiViking said:
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As all the PSU fans know, the Stott Center floor was flooded after the sprinkler system was set off during a softball open gym (why they are allowed to use the main gym is beyond me). Therefore, wednesday night’s game will be played in an alternate venue nearby. Though the venue for this game is still unknown, the outcome will likely be unaffected. The Pioneers, who play in the Northwest Conference of NCAA Division III shouldn’t really present a challenge for the Vikings unless a disaster happens, like 3 of their starters get injured. So far this season, the Pioneers are 3-1 with their loss coming at the hands of Pacific in a 92-47 drubbing. With the change in venue, the Vikings may not duplicate that points spread, but it is easy to believe they could come close. The Vikings have an advantage at every position, but it isn’t as severe at the point, because the Pioneers have a talented senior from Benson Tech named Thomas Tillery running the show.

Match-Ups
L&C: Garrett Waagmeester/Tyson Papenfuss PSU: Scott Morrison/Julius Thomas/JR Moore
Though he hasn’t played much, Lewis & Clark will probably have to resort to starting Waagmeester against Morrison. He is the team’s biggest player at only 6′7″ and 215 pounds. Morrison has taken advantage of these mismatches so far this season, and there’s no reason to believe that he won’t in this game. The other option they have used so far at this position is Tyson Papenfuss. At 6′5″ he’s another guy the Vikings can exploit down low. In the previous games against inferior opponents so far this season, Morrison has gone about 20 minutes with Julius Thomas and JR Moore filling the rest of the time. That trend should continue in this contest. Honestly, any of the 3 for the Vikings could probably score 10 points against the Pioneer front line if they really wanted to.

L&C: David Berggren PSU: Tyrell Mara/Kyle Coston
They are both 6′6″, but that’s about all they have in common. Mara is stronger, and a better overall player. After hitting a few 3 balls early, look for Mara to get a rest and give Coston a chance, which will create a match-up that’s a little more even. Coston’s been off and on this year, so this will provide him an opportunity for a little more confidence before the tough match-up with Washington State.

L&C: Joey Toboni PSU: Deonte Huff
Both players really like to shoot the ball. Depending on who can hit more shots, this could be a position where the production is almost equal. However, Huff’s ability to penetrate and create free throws gives him an edge, along with his ability to rebound over almost anyone. This is another game for highlight dunks, but fans may not see them dependent on the venue.

L&C: Gene Rivera PSU: Dupree Lucas/Andre Murray
Rivera is a role player offensively, but plays solid defense and creates some turnovers. This game is an opportunity for Lucas to get back on track. If he doesn’t he may lose his spot in the rotation to Murray, who had a very solid game at Utah Valley over the weekend.

L&C: Thomas Tillery PSU: Jeremiah Dominguez/Mickey Polis/Brian Curtis
Senior Thomas Tillery is one of the real strengths for the Pioneers. A scoring point guard, he will probably win a lot of games this year on his own. He may even draw Dominguez into foul trouble. If this occurs, it shouldn’t be an issue for the Vikings. Instead it will give Polis a chance to show off his jumper, and maybe Curtis to play a few minutes.

We should know the venue for the game by Wednesday morning, and hopefully it will be one that the Viking fans can get to so that they can create a home-like atmosphere.

Prediction: PSU 85-52
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So . . . despite the fact that I'm a purple-blooded Pilots fan, I'm actually a student at Willamette University, which competes with L&C in the Northwest Conference. The Pioneers were the unanimous pick to win the NWC this year, so I'd appreciate any scouting notes you folks could take. Last year, L&C only lost by ten to the Pilots, and earlier this year, I was really impressed with the way they hung with Pacific (CA) - only down 37-33 at halftime - but I'd be genuinely surprised (and scared) if the Vikings don't win by 30+.

I'd ask about Linfield too, but they're a pretty consistent bottom feeder even at Division III.

GO VIKINGS!
 
Dionnfan said:
So . . . despite the fact that I'm a purple-blooded Pilots fan, I'm actually a student at Willamette University, which competes with L&C in the Northwest Conference. The Pioneers were the unanimous pick to win the NWC this year, so I'd appreciate any scouting notes you folks could take. Last year, L&C only lost by ten to the Pilots, and earlier this year, I was really impressed with the way they hung with Pacific (CA) - only down 37-33 at halftime - but I'd be genuinely surprised (and scared) if the Vikings don't win by 30+.

I'd ask about Linfield too, but they're a pretty consistent bottom feeder even at Division III.

GO VIKINGS!
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Dionnfan,

WiViking always has a great game breakdown on here after the games. I'll try to keep some mental notes as well.

Last year L&C kept it close with some good shooting in the first half, then we ran away with it in the 2nd half. Hopefully we can be tough on the perimeter defense and punish them the entire game.

You guys are playing Montana on Friday, right? Let us know how it's done so we can stick it to them when conference play starts. :-)
 
I know Linfield is a bad team, but if you're interested, I did go to the game and there is a link to that post game wrap in the Linfield thread. I'll either be at the game tonight, or listen to it on the radio, but either way, I'll have some notes on here later tonight, or tomorrow afternoon.
 
Thanks WiViking, I'll go check out that Linfield thread right now. D-III can actually be a lot of fun, but info is ridiculously hard to come by. That being said, L&C is one of our traditional rivals down here at WU, so I'd like for nothing better than a beatdown this evening. If you can top the 60 point margin (77-17) that our football team put up on the Pioneers this year, I'll be happy to tip my hat!

As for Montana, I'll do my best to come up with a few useful nuggets!
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If you read this on Big Sky Fans, some parts are bold, making it easier to read. Ugh! What a terrible effort from the Viks outside of Murray and Thomas. /users/31/07/37/smiles/smily36.gif

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Good news! Sounds like next week’s game against Cal-Poly will be played back at the Stott. Vikings are 20-18 overall against the Pioneers. Hopefully, they will never be close to .500 again in this match-up.
Starting Lineups:
PSU: Morrison JR Moore, Mara, Huff, Murray, Dominguez
L&C: Joey Toboni, Gene Rivera, David Berggren, Josh Kollasch, Thomas Tillery
Morrison will sit this one out due to a lingering back problem. It sounds like he’ll be back for the Washington State game, and that there’s still a chance we’ll see Tiefenthaler and Hammond. According to Coach Bone, this is probably the last time he’ll get a chance for two days off in a row. Murray gets the start over Lucas. Hopefully this leads to the bench energy I mentioned in the preview.

First Half
JR Moore started off the game by drawing a foul on Kollasch and hitting a pair of free throws. Tillery got by Dominguez early to draw a foul. Huff missed two early three balls, making him 5-23 on the year. Luckily for the Vikings, the Pioneers also started shooting very cold, missing their first 7. First Timeout: 5-0 Vikings After the break, the Pioneers subbed their entire lineup. They put in Waagmeester, Papenfuss, Robinowitz, Thierry, Allen. Papenfuss scored the first two for the Pioneers inside, and after a Mara 3 for the Viks, Robinowitz answered. Just as I had guessed, 7 minutes into the game Dominguez got collared with his second foul. Off the inbound, Papenfuss muscled inside again for another L & C basket. After the Pioneers had closed to one, the Vikings pulled off a run of their own. Second Timeout: 14-7 Vikings Andre Murray started the game 4-5 after hitting back-to-back jumpers. The Pioneers ran an offense which played their point guard Tillery posting up, and though he had a height advantage, it didn’t work well early. Ahead of a Berggren jumper that made it 18-9, Dupree Lucas missed another jumper causing a quick sub. Even in this game, things aren’t looking up for him. Hopefully he’ll soon find a way out of the funk he’s in now. Third Timeout 20-11 Vikings The decidedly pro-Pioneer crowd was unhappy with the referees multiple times in the first half, and for a good reason. Instead of allowing the game to come to him, Lucas continued to force offense (0-5), and with poor results. To start the game, he and Huff shot a combined 1-10. The Pioneers were losing big early, but not because of the skill difference. Instead, it was a result of many turnovers, and taking bad shots. The only reason it was as close as it was was 2-15 3 point shooting by the Vikings. Late in the half, the Pioneers went on a run. Berggren hit a three ball, Papenfuss put in another inside bucket, and Berggren converted an inside shot. Fourth Timeout 26-18 Vikings Unfortunately for the Pioneers, Berggren is a 33% free throw shooter.

Halftime 32-20 Vikings
The Pioneers kept this one close by playing good defense against a talented Viking team. Unfortunately, they were unable to keep up with Andre Murray, who had 12 first half points. The Vikings should be happy the spread was as large as it was with one of their starters out with an injury, and two others went 2-12 from the field.
L & C: 29% first half shooting

Second Half
Murray starts the second half with a strong board to get him 1 away from his first double-double at PSU. For some reason, he was yanked right away in favor of Lucas. Tillery then drove the ball down the lane and met his high school teammate JR Moore who drew a charge. Lucas finally hit his first field goal, but promptly missed another. First Timeout 36-21 Vikings The next segment of the game was characterized by terrible shooting and 4 fouls on Nick Thierry. Deonte Huff continued his great free throw shooting, and Papenfuss cut the lead to 13 with 2 more inside buckets. Second Timeout 42-29 Vikings Papenfuss continued his strong play, and the Pioneers slowly continued their assault on the lead. Third Timeout 48-36 Vikings At 50-39, the Pioneers had a chance to cut the lead to single digits, but they threw away their first chance. However, on their second opportunity, Mark Robinowitz hit a 3 ball to cut the lead to 8. The Pioneers made 3 out of their first 5 from the outside in the second half. JR Moore answered with a layup, but Papenfuss came right back with one of his own. Moore did okay, but appeared overworked due to his limited practice time. Andre Murray came down with an ankle injury with around 4 minutes to go. After the injury, 56% free throw shooter Gene Rivera hit two big ones to cut the lead to 6 before Papenfuss drew his fourth foul. It didn’t cost them, as 86% free throw shooter Tyrell Mara clanked both of them. Huff got an offensive board and put it back in, but fouled out right afterwards. Brian Curtis came in for Huff seeing rare late minutes. Ditto for Julius Thomas who played well inside, albeit against lesser foes. Final Timeout 56-48 Vikings JT hit another big layup coming off the timeout to run his tally to 9, but Tillery came back down for the Pioneers, converting an and-one which cut the lead back down to 7. He then hit a pair of throws to cut the lead to 5. If the run had started earlier, they probably could have won the game. Rivera also played well cutting the lead to 3 with 30 seconds to go. The Pioneers put Brian Curtis on the line, who converted 1 of 2 with 23 seconds left. Tillery converted another and-one to cut the lead to one with 15 seconds left. The Pioneers stole the ball from JD, and had a good look to win the game. Fortunately for the Viks, they couldn’t convert.
Final 61-60 Vikings

David Berggren who’s averaged in double figures the last two years, is only averaging 8 this year, and had a tough game tonight. On the bright side, Tyson Papenfuss was very good, scoring in double digits for the Pioneers. Robinowitz also scored 10 in the second half. I’m not sure this game would have been close if Morrison had played, but the team was clearly fundamentally sound. Thomas Tillery really turned it on late, scoring 8 points in the last 4 minutes.

For the Vikings, Andre Murray was very good. He had 14 in the contest, and also rebounded well. Dupree Lucas continued his horrendous senior season shooting 1 for 11. The Vikings shot only 6-12 from the charity stripe, and their best shooter fouled out with 4 minutes to go. Julius Thomas played great late minutes, contributing 11 points. None of the starters outside of Murray really played a good game. Outside of the terrible shooting from their stars, Dominguez and Mara could not duplicate their early season form.

Realistically, this result is unacceptable. The game should never have been that close. In the Stott Center, with Morrison, this game wouldn’t have been close. Dupree Lucas needs to contribute for the Vikings to win. Losing Murray late made this game very dangerous.
 
Here's what I got from being courtside:

JR Moore has a better inside game than I thought. I was pleasantly suprised he did as well as he did, and he'll be a good backup to Morrison.

'Pree needs to sit out a game or two, and get back his form. Every time he touched the ball, he would get rid of it. If he drove, he wouldn't look for the shot, but pass instead. If he did take a shot, he had the look that he thought he was going to miss it, which of course, meant he did. Lucas's best asset is his ability to drive off the dribble and get inside and score, or to drive and stop for a pull-up jumper. Neither of these things are working, and he just doesn't have his mojo.

The coaching staff and trainers need a good waloping upside the head. When Murray injured his ankle, he laid on the opposite baseline from the bench writhing in agony for about 2 minutes before a Viking coach or trainer noticed. The L&C trainer was over there before the Viking trainer even got out of his seat. This lack of paying attention showed through in the lack of coaching that was happening. No timeouts to stop the L&C run, nothing to get our guys any confidence to win. Its like the coaches were just hopefull the team would hang on, which luckily, they did.

For L&C, number 30 and 22 are legit players. They are the only two who looked like real basketball players. Number 10 can't dribble left, and the rest of the team is just mediocre.

The Rose Garden was more of a home court for L&C that PSU. There were almost no PSU fans in attendance. When a group of 10 L&C students can make more noise than the "home" fans, there are some issues. Wake up PSU fans, and make some f'ing noise!!
 
I hope last night was an eye opening experience for the team and coaching staff. I applaud L&C's effort, they wanted the game more then the Viks. We are very lucky the Pioneers didn't get a better look at the end of the game. Huff was dared to shoot the outside shot, and was totally tenative in doing so, Lucas is pressing and why did Dominguez dribble the ball like a madman down the court towards the end of the game and turn it over? I'm still shaking my head from last night.
 
This game was brutal to watch last night and the only good thing that came from it was another tally in the win column.

I put this near loss on the coaching staff. You have to let players get into some sort of a groove together on the floor. The sub pattern was all over the place for the majority of the game.

Couple of notes from the game:

- Moore showed some good stuff at times, but is not conditioned enough for big minutes.

- L&C had some pretty good transition defense that eliminated fast break opportunities for PSU.

- If any team ever plays Huff that loose he should look to shoot. The defenders were about seven or eight feet off of him all the time. You can't hit that shot flat footed, so it's a deal where he's not even looking to be aggressive.

- Lucas is ice cold this year. To echo what's been said, he's forcing shots. The coaches need to sit him down and let him know that points isn't the only way for him to help PSU. I'll take 6 points and 6 assists from Lucas over 10 points and 0 assists any day of the week.
 
What are the thoughs on the drumline at the game? It's no band, but it's better than nothing.

The only concern is that it may be a little loud in the Stott Center.
 
It'll be REALLY loud in the Stott. And, it'll be REALLY loud just feet from the opponent's bench. I have the feeling that they will be placed next to the stands, in the little hallway, right behind the opposing bench. The band we use to have was there, and I think the placement is perfect. Don't let their coaches be heard during huddles!!
 
Yeah, I forgot to write about earlier, thanks for reminding me, thumbs up to the drumline. One of the few positives coming out of that game.
 
Hmmmm:

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Notes: Murray left on crutches after injuring what appeared to be his ankle with under five minutes remaining in the second half ... Morrison said he didn't find out he wasn't playing until before the game and that his back was 100 percent.
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Why not just say that he wanted to rest Morrison and get Moore some additional minutes than say that it's Morrison's back that kept him out? Now you have two different stories in the media.
 
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