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"Reno-Nights"?

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AlumniWSU

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By the way (& just to break the chain of 51 *&%#*!!!*** posts!), to anyone here of those couple of thousand who attended Sat. night's SUU game, any comments on how "Reno-Nights" worked out??

I know all of the repeated angst, angry, cussing, crying comments have made some good points, but it is what it is...FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS!!! Some of you read other BSC team's fan forums, is there any of the same feelings??...are the GRIZ fan forums raging on about it?? Remember "Weebs Whiners" you are only 1/12 of the total equation. I think your points have been made and if you do or don't support it, it's your decision, but to wish for demise & failure....it might help you feel better, however it is negative & futile for now.

In 3 years, a lot of posters may just get the opportunity to shout & yell, "TOLD YOU SO!". But that's for another day. Suggest you send Coach Randy Rahe an email telling him how you hate his position on the BSCT in Reno, "forced stand" or not (Rahe's favorable stand was stated from the early talk before the vote happened...the coaches all appeared to push for it). That also might help you feel better for now. Tell him you wont be there to cheer on the Wildcats, but Good Luck...anyway. :twocents: :dead:
 
it might be better to contact athletic dept or big sky not rahe. i find the dead horse thread quite comical. why don't you like it?

we have a valid reason to whine since we win 40% of all big sky titles which means we have good chances to host most years. only a few schools in big sky get decent attendance and weber has been top 100 in D1 the past 5 or so years. so maybe we feel our opinion matters since our home attendance average would exceed arena capacity for ALL of the big sky basketball arenas minus griz.

its very fun and exciting to win the reg season and host the big sky. its something to look forward too all season. its even more fun to be in a packed arena at the bsct.

can anyone guarantee that when im in reno ill experience a full arena for any of the 14 games to be played in reno? if the answer can be yes i will be the #1 cheerleader for reno next year. im going to be very unhappy to be in an empty arena. this is really my only beef w/ the neutral. i have no faith in any big sky teams to bring fans when home arenas are empty.

lets take a quick look at each teams most recent home game for a sample.
1. suu @ wsu: Attendance: 7,052
2. um @ msu: Attendance: 5,407
3. ui @ um: Attendance: 3,733
4. um @ und: Attendance: 2,387
5. und @ unc: Attendance: 2,016
6. psu @ ewu: Attendance: 1,671
7. suu @ isu: Attendance: 1,644
8. unc @ nau: Attendance: 1,529
9. unc @ suu: Attendance: 1,356
10. sac @ ui: Attendance: 1,228
11. psu @ sac: Attendance: 1,058
12. wsu @ psu: Attendance: 838
 
It's not that I don't like the posts on BSCT-Reno, actually I agree with a lot of the points made, but really, like 'baller' posted...Get Over It !...it's happening for 3 years...no need to rant & curse repeatedly for XX times saying the same thing...your viewpoints are made! But that seems to be the SOP of the basketball forum, so I will gently pass over the many replay posts. :-D

I simply was mainly asking about it, but no one made any comment on the "Reno-Nights" doins @ Saturday's game...Why?...Didn't care?...Didn't want to say anything that might be positive & get nailed by other posters?...Didn't happen?...or too busy evaluating the poor BSC officiating to notice? :kisswink:

Your posts often provide some good, new info. 'Sir Velo', thanks. But I would say the "attendance" figures posted on home games (not just Weber) are bogus, as far as actual bodies in the seats. The tickets for season ticket buyers (probably what-- 3,000/3,500 @ WSU?) are automatically counted, whether people are there or not. Since you are using that argument (it is one valid factor), I had to point it out. Technically, they should state "Paid Attendance-except just actual Students present" :lol: Man, the DEC looks awfully empty at games this year.

But, yes, knowing how well BSC basketball team's fans travel, most everyone should really expect more empty seats than bods in them @ the Reno Events Center for the BSCT. Still, for 3 yrs. at least, the coaches & some ADs get their wish!

I'll try to stick mainly to the football forum posts...more interesting to me. Post On! :twocents:
 
AlumniWSU said:
It's not that I don't like the posts on BSCT-Reno, actually I agree with a lot of the points made, but really, like 'baller' posted...Get Over It !...it's happening for 3 years...no need to rant & curse repeatedly for XX times saying the same thing...your viewpoints are made! But that seems to be the SOP of the basketball forum, so I will gently pass over the many replay posts. :-D

I simply was mainly asking about it, but no one made any comment on the "Reno-Nights" doins @ Saturday's game...Why?...Didn't care?...Didn't want to say anything that might be positive & get nailed by other posters?...Didn't happen?...or too busy evaluating the poor BSC officiating to notice? :kisswink:

Your posts often provide some good, new info. 'Sir Velo', thanks. But I would say the "attendance" figures posted on home games (not just Weber) are bogus, as far as actual bodies in the seats. The tickets for season ticket buyers (probably what-- 3,000/3,500 @ WSU?) are automatically counted, whether people are there or not. Since you are using that argument (it is one valid factor), I had to point it out. Technically, they should state "Paid Attendance-except just actual Students present" :lol: Man, the DEC looks awfully empty at games this year.

But, yes, knowing how well BSC basketball team's fans travel, most everyone should really expect more empty seats than bods in them @ the Reno Events Center for the BSCT. Still, for 3 yrs. at least, the coaches & some ADs get their wish!

I'll try to stick mainly to the football forum posts...more interesting to me. Post On! :twocents:
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I didn't answer about the "Reno Nights" because I really didn't see anything about it at the game. It wasn't really noticeable. I will say this though, our attendance figures are mostly ;-) , accurate. Saturday's game definitely had 7K. Now...some other games didn't. You can't tell me that there were more than 2K at the Antelope Valley game. But, even with 7k in our stadium of 12K seats that looks empty. Ugh...would love to see more fans showing up. :thumb:
 
talhad,

tell us about the reno nights. what is it?

as for my rants, i have a big weakness for 2 of the 3 main dead horse topics. i find joy in: marketing and reno. :rofl:

sorry everyone. as for the 3rd major dead horse topic, big sky refs, i dont really care about that one. its fair if they are bad refs for both which i am sure is the case. plus the refs dont look that bad on big sky tv.
 
I thought 'Reno Nights' was a bust. I expected a lot more information and a better job of marketing.

I don't know why I expected more. The BSC and WSU don't have a good track record for marketing. I guess that I expected Reno and the hotels to be more invested in it. I'm guessing that Fullerton asked them to stay out of it. Maybe Fullerton wants it to fail after it was forced on him by the coaches. Mainly, the coaches who didn't want to be fired for continually missing post season play.

It doesn't seem like the BSC is fully invested in seeing this succeed.
 
Sir Velo said:
lets take a quick look at each teams most recent home game for a sample.
3. ui @ um: Attendance: 3,733
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While I agree with you, the most recent home game for the Griz (at the time you posted) was against EWU and drew 4,923.

That said I (and pretty much everyone over on eGriz) agrees this new tournament format is an absolute f'n joke.

In looking around on other forums about the only fans that seem to think it's a good idea are the ones whose team hasn't hosted in over a decade (or ever) and/or have a history of missing the tournament frequently when there were a limited number of teams invited to the tournament. Even those teams though have a good amount of fans who think this format is horrible.

I was quite surprised to see how Rahe complementing the new tournament format & appearing to be in favor of it. That was weird I thought... I figured he'd be one of the people who wasn't in favor of it.

I'd rather they just award the regular season champ the NCAA auto-bid than what they are doing right now... However, I'd much prefer they'd put together a sane tournament format & go to a 6 team tournament (or even 4) hosted by the regular season champ. What they have set up now is about the worst set up I can imagine..
 
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the only fans complaining are Weber and Montana fans....at the end of three years you can have your way if this doesn't work...they are not going to buy out a contract...they are not going to break a contract....so if you want to type complaints for three years, be my guest....I don't see you changing anything so beat your dead horse into the ground....This is a complete waste of time....
 
sacstateman said:
the only fans complaining are Weber and Montana fans....at the end of three years you can have your way if this doesn't work...they are not going to buy out a contract...they are not going to break a contract....so if you want to type complaints for three years, be my guest....I don't see you changing anything so beat your dead horse into the ground....This is a complete waste of time....
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There are fans of other BSky programs that are not happy about this either...just not as vocal and not as many it seems.

Anyway, back to your point...Why do you think that is that the Montana and Weber fans are the most vocal?

13 of the last 25 were hosted either in Missoula (6) or Ogden (7).
14 of the last 25 years it's either been the Griz (9) or Weber (5) in the NCAA tournament.
18 of the last 25 years had Weber or Montana either as the regular season champs or tournament champs.

In the past 25 years the only other teams to host the tournament more than once (other than Weber and Montana) have been PSU (Under Ken Bone who is now an assistant for the Griz), NAU (3), and MSU (2).

Other teams that have hosted it once in the past 25 years?

Cal State Northridge (No longer in the Big Sky)
Idaho (Before they left the Big Sky)
Boise (Even though they didn't win the regular season championship and no longer in the big sky)
EWU once.
UNC once.

If we just look at recent history (so as to not include Cal State Northridge, Boise or Idaho) In the past 10 years the only teams to host it more than 1 time have been Weber (4) and Montana (3). So 7 out of 10 years hosted by either the Griz or Weber.

In the past 10 years the only teams to go to the NCAA tournament more than once have been Weber (2), Montana (4) and PSU (both under Ken Bone).

Is there any wonder now why Weber and Montana fans might be a little pissed about this "Everyone gets a participation ribbon, orange slices and a juice box...but no one will be there to see it or care!" tournament set up? :P

When the Tournament is hosted in Weber there are amazingly electric crowds and the atmosphere is great! Over 6000 fans for the Championship games in the last 2 Weber has hosted.

When the Tournament is hosted in Missoula the same goes. The atmosphere is awesome and looks great on TV for the conference. Over 7000 each of the last 3 championship games.

That type of atmosphere being displayed for the championship game is good for recruiting and for the conference.

Hell...when the tournament was hosted by UNC their atmosphere (much smaller) at least was semi-good drawing over 3000. Same with @PSU (over 4000) or @NAU (over 3000).

I'd be willing to bet no matter which big sky team won the regular season championship if it was hosted at their venue the atmosphere would be 100x better than what we are going to see at Reno...

So yeah, Weber fans and Montana fans have kind of earned the right to be a bit pissed. I'd say.

The rest of the conference should be pissed too since this is going to hurt the conference. However the other teams seem to mostly be too busy dreaming about participation ribbons and saving a little money rather than trying to do what's best for the conference allowing it to get out of the D1 cellar some day...instead I think we just found a way to fall down a 2nd flight of stairs to a previously unknown sub-cellar.

And you think the bitching is bad now? Just wait until we get a look of how the tournament in Reno actually looks and the attendance numbers... This new format is going to basically destroy the Big Sky Tournament (a tournament that used to be the highlight of the Big Sky conference season by far) and make it an absolute joke in many ways. :ohno:

Ok...my rant is over...for now!
 
Potomac Griz is right. Weber and Montana are the brand identity of the Big Sky. Without our two programs, this would be the worst conference in the country.

Sacman – I wonder if Reno has an opt out clause if certain attendance numbers are not met. The conference appears to be very desperate at this juncture. I wonder if you will have to hear us beat the dead horse for 3 years. I think the Reno CVB may have been sold a fairly lofty attendance estimation.
My complaint is how this is and has been marketed. Reno nights did not get me excited one bit to attend this thing and I am not really surewhat the point is. Road to Reno has to be the dumbest idea ever. It is not original and American weightlifting and the hot rod show use the same slogan. So your hashtag searches are mixed. They have purchased banner ads on most all of the fan boards. I hope they get a huge return on their investment from the SUU fan board as the only posts are the Colter Nuanez weekly spam. Seeing road to Reno on the message board and on Facebook every day isn’t going to help get me there.
 
Potomac Griz said:
sacstateman said:
the only fans complaining are Weber and Montana fans....at the end of three years you can have your way if this doesn't work...they are not going to buy out a contract...they are not going to break a contract....so if you want to type complaints for three years, be my guest....I don't see you changing anything so beat your dead horse into the ground....This is a complete waste of time....
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There are fans of other BSky programs that are not happy about this either...just not as vocal and not as many it seems.

Anyway, back to your point...Why do you think that is that the Montana and Weber fans are the most vocal?

13 of the last 25 were hosted either in Missoula (6) or Ogden (7).
14 of the last 25 years it's either been the Griz (9) or Weber (5) in the NCAA tournament.
18 of the last 25 years had Weber or Montana either as the regular season champs or tournament champs.

In the past 25 years the only other teams to host the tournament more than once (other than Weber and Montana) have been PSU (Under Ken Bone who is now an assistant for the Griz), NAU (3), and MSU (2).

Other teams that have hosted it once in the past 25 years?

Cal State Northridge (No longer in the Big Sky)
Idaho (Before they left the Big Sky)
Boise (Even though they didn't win the regular season championship and no longer in the big sky)
EWU once.
UNC once.

If we just look at recent history (so as to not include Cal State Northridge, Boise or Idaho) In the past 10 years the only teams to host it more than 1 time have been Weber (4) and Montana (3). So 7 out of 10 years hosted by either the Griz or Weber.

In the past 10 years the only teams to go to the NCAA tournament more than once have been Weber (2), Montana (4) and PSU (both under Ken Bone).

Is there any wonder now why Weber and Montana fans might be a little pissed about this "Everyone gets a participation ribbon, orange slices and a juice box...but no one will be there to see it or care!" tournament set up? :P

When the Tournament is hosted in Weber there are amazingly electric crowds and the atmosphere is great! Over 6000 fans for the Championship games in the last 2 Weber has hosted.

When the Tournament is hosted in Missoula the same goes. The atmosphere is awesome and looks great on TV for the conference. Over 7000 each of the last 3 championship games.

That type of atmosphere being displayed for the championship game is good for recruiting and for the conference.

Hell...when the tournament was hosted by UNC their atmosphere (much smaller) at least was semi-good drawing over 3000. Same with @PSU (over 4000) or @NAU (over 3000).

I'd be willing to bet no matter which big sky team won the regular season championship if it was hosted at their venue the atmosphere would be 100x better than what we are going to see at Reno...

So yeah, Weber fans and Montana fans have kind of earned the right to be a bit pissed. I'd say.

The rest of the conference should be pissed too since this is going to hurt the conference. However the other teams seem to mostly be too busy dreaming about participation ribbons and saving a little money rather than trying to do what's best for the conference allowing it to get out of the D1 cellar some day...instead I think we just found a way to fall down a 2nd flight of stairs to a previously unknown sub-cellar.

And you think the bitching is bad now? Just wait until we get a look of how the tournament in Reno actually looks and the attendance numbers... This new format is going to basically destroy the Big Sky Tournament (a tournament that used to be the highlight of the Big Sky conference season by far) and make it an absolute joke in many ways. :ohno:

Ok...my rant is over...for now!
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Yelling makes me feel good. Reading this made me feel better :thumb:

Don't be alarmed if baller comes out calling you myopic, and a xenophobe they are his chosen words for the New Year, that's all.
 
I get it, I get it!!!

Yes, they took a good thing and made it worse.

Yes, it will be poorly attended.

Yes, it is poorly marketed.

Yes, it has made the regular season less exciting.

Yes, it won't look good on TV.

Yes, the BSC just took a step backwards.

Yes, BSC administration sucks.

However, none of that is a reason for me to stop supporting my school and team. :coffee:
 
Well I know that coming on this blog and complaining is what we are supposed to do so it's all good.
 
oldrunner said:
I get it, I get it!!!

Yes, they took a good thing and made it worse.

Yes, it will be poorly attended.

Yes, it is poorly marketed.

Yes, it has made the regular season less exciting.

Yes, it won't look good on TV.

Yes, the BSC just took a step backwards.

Yes, BSC administration sucks.

However, none of that is a reason for me to stop supporting my school and team. :coffee:
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Yes, you have looked good this season cheering the Wildcats to victory in an empty arena.

 
oldrunner said:
I get it, I get it!!!

Yes, they took a good thing and made it worse.

Yes, it will be poorly attended.

Yes, it is poorly marketed.

Yes, it has made the regular season less exciting.

Yes, it won't look good on TV.

Yes, the BSC just took a step backwards.

Yes, BSC administration sucks.

However, none of that is a reason for me to stop supporting my school and team. :coffee:
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Luckily, you're in the minority. This thing needs to be worse than what we know it will be. To make sure there is no chance that they revive or extend it.

You just laid out how bad it is, yet you are voting yes with your dollars. I choose to vote no with mine.
 
I don't mind being in the minority. That is a normal state for me.

Being a little older and seeing what I've seen over the years, I have a little longer view of things. I believe that WSU and several other schools within the BSC are trying to grow themselves into a better situation, one step at a time. Then there is the other side of the BSC, those that just like to make excuses as to why they can't get better.

Pulling my support for WSU, no matter what the BSC does, just doesn't make any sense, in the longer run.

Sure, this Reno thing may turn out to be a miserable failure, but it shouldn't stop WSU from striving to get better. It will not stop me from supporting WSU. :coffee:
 
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