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Sac State vs. Portland State (Homecoming) Sept. 27

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Alright, lets get the WSU game out of our systems and turn our focus to the man in black in his first visit to Hornet Stadium. PSU got rocked by a bad Wazzu team.

How will our DB's do against the run and shoot (which for PSU looks more shot than shoot)?
Will Smith and Hilliard be back? If not, can White and Wilkins/Croxdale be up to the task?

Discuss.....
 
I believe we win this game IF we can get in their backfield, apply pressure and force turnovers. Our DB's are going to take some hits though.

I like White at QB, but we will need to run. On the WSU 4th down play, why didn't EW jump outside when he saw a solid non-moving wall of bodies, it was only half a yard? We had a field day against SOU running outside, we have the speed and size. Run the draw and shovel pass. Off tacle right, off tackle left is too predictable.

This PSU team played davis well, so we can't overlook their record.

We gotta find the killer attitude and learn to put games away.
 
Since I couldn't get BSTV to work, I was relegated to using the radio as I related earlier. Therefore, I didn't get to see the plays actually run, as very few announcers use actual football terminology. Are you saying that we didn't run toss sweep? That seems kinda weird to me. I know I'd probably be a tad predictable as well, but I usually think in terms of a series of three plays: FB Dive, Iso/Lead (depending on your terminology), and toss sweep, with some power/stretch and perhaps option/QB sweep thrown in for good measure. So, for me, toss sweep is not only a given but a staple. Did we not run it at all? Intentional outside running opens up the inside, which will open up the outside. Ignoring the outside completely allows the defense to stuff the middle, leading to the situations WH described in the other thread.
 
GCM just made my point for me!!! You can not run between the Tackles then bounce out to the 7/8 hole every time, the D will just string it out to the sidelines and make a tackle. You need to run up the gut a few times to suck up the LB's then run a designed outside play like the toss or option and beat them to the corner. On the flip side we need pass plays mixed in other than 3rd down and long to assure corners and outside LB's stay honest.

I am not saying I am smarter than the staff (if I was I would be coaching there), I guess I am at a lose as to why we are doing some of the things we do. Why run Wilkins on 4th down when Croxdale is more of a power guy? Why not Croxdale from the I with Trenchero (sp?) lead blocking from the fullback spot, worked for a TD earlier. Running an empty set 8 plays in a row with your 3rd string QB when the D knows you are not going to boot him outside.
 
Winghunter said:
GCM just made my point for me!!! You can not run between the Tackles then bounce out to the 7/8 hole every time, the D will just string it out to the sidelines and make a tackle. You need to run up the gut a few times to suck up the LB's then run a designed outside play like the toss or option and beat them to the corner. On the flip side we need pass plays mixed in other than 3rd down and long to assure corners and outside LB's stay honest.

I am not saying I am smarter than the staff (if I was I would be coaching there), I guess I am at a lose as to why we are doing some of the things we do. Why run Wilkins on 4th down when Croxdale is more of a power guy? Why not Croxdale from the I with Trenchero (sp?) lead blocking from the fullback spot, worked for a TD earlier. Running an empty set 8 plays in a row with your 3rd string QB when the D knows you are not going to boot him outside.

I was wondering why Croxdale wasn't used more. Wilkins did a good job but it seemed that he was used a lot and by the 4th quarter I can imagine he didn't have a lot left. I don't remember seeing Croxdale until the 3rd, I was starting to think he was hurt. Without Hilliard thats a lot of pounding to put on one small back.
 
I was wondering why Croxdale wasn't used more. Wilkins did a good job but it seemed that he was used a lot and by the 4th quarter I can imagine he didn't have a lot left. I don't remember seeing Croxdale until the 3rd, I was starting to think he was hurt. Without Hilliard thats a lot of pounding to put on one small back.[/quote]


I agree Laser... Seems they have a great 1 / 2 punch to use while Hilliard is out but they only used the 1 punch attack. I would be shocked if Croxdale had more than 4 carries in that game, not a good use of the bench.
 
I agree with WH, you need more than one credible threat in there. Has anyone thought of having 2 backs in there at once (i.e. Wilkins and Croxdale), run an I formation, or put one of them in as a slot back, pro set, ANYTHING. Start mixing it up a little, keep the defense (and at least the Hornet Nation in the stands) guessing.

I know Croxdale can block, and it isn't hard to design offensive plays around two backs without screwing up blocking assignments for the line (sorry for you old linemen out there!).

Go Hornets!
 
That would depend on a couple of things, FF. Many teams never give the FB the ball, which is a shame. If our OC is like that, that would be relegating Crox to just blocking, which would eliminate the threat we all desire.

Also, what the staff may be looking at is that quite often, the "running back by committee" strategy just doesn't work. I really don't know why. Rushing attacks tend to work better with one workhorse "featured back." It's counterintuitive, but there's a lot to be said for it.

I do agree that the I is a great formation. Many "modern" OCs like the many variants of the single back offense, either the double tight, double flank ace formation or the more wide-open all-passing formations as they force the defense to spread. But if the defense guesses right on run, there's zero blocking outside of the line (and in rare cases, the QB) as the receivers are running off the coverage. Having the fullback allows for blocking on plays going to the tailback, and running the fullback provides a sturdier platform for short yardage that doesn't require an extra blocker, making the TB available for faking. In addition, if one runs a counter play, that brings in a misdirection idea based on the old fashioned belly series. Plus, as the I is balanced, the defense really has no clue where the play is going unless the flanker is shifted into the slot. One could easily run left and right and also pass left and right, though slotting the flanker kinda says you're passing to the slot side unless you're a team that likes throwing to the Y (which I REALLY like to do).

I like how you're thinking, WH. I wonder if the coaches are missing this....
 
MIssed my first Hornet home game in 5 years on Saturday. Still "stings" just as much on the East Coast... I'll be there though, this saturday tailgatin' it up once again for Homecoming.
 
According to the game notes this week, Smith is unlikely to play but will be listed as the backup. Hilliard is back as well as Kevin Davis at CB (Thank God).

http://www.hornetsports.com/assets/sports/football/SacNotes092708.pdf
 
Lets hope the DB's are better on their coverage cuz the passes will be a cumin this week! Lets get a lot of people out there this weekend! It does make a difference to the team!!!!!!!! GO HORNETS!!!!!!
 
Stop some of the passing and use Croxdale more with Hilliard and Wilkins and we'll see a win, for sure. Just mix it up.

We've got the passing down. For example, Washington and Hill have made some awesome catches this season.

Go Hornets!!!
 
First of all, great game by the Hornets today. After those two early mistakes that led to scores, we outscored PSU 41-17. And had Gamboa not shanked two kicks, add another 4 points. This was the most complete offensive game I have seen in a long time. The defensive backs played a lot better, even though the numbers were high, but that is the run and shoot though.

Brannon was an absolute stud on defense today! Smith, what can you say about him, comes off of being out two weeks and was brilliant, no intercepts and over 300 yards passing. Washington makes plays that somehow seem impossible. If Smith and Hilliard had played last week, we'd of defeated Weber.

We'll take it for now, and try and get a tough win next weekend in Flagstaff. Go Hornets!!!
 
Way to go Hornets!

Despite the first two possessions, the team played with some poise. The offensive line kicked butt, the defense scored, we came back twice, and actually FINISHED the game! While many improvements can be made this week, way to go, everyone.

Any post game injury updates?
 
Gamboa has been solid all year. As I recall, MBT has been his holder and I noticed on the missed extra point that the holder did not get a clean spot. After that, the holder was working on the sideline to get a better spot. Little things like that should be cleaned up with the new holder this week. Can't be missing extra points and 30 yard field goals.
 
You ever notice how there are THREE people involved with the mechanics of a placekick, yet whenever there's a foul-up (outside of an obvious bogus snap), the KICKER's nearly always the one getting the blame? A merely SLIGHTLY off snap can affect how the holder receives it, which could affect the placement and thus the kick. Or the holder can just get a case of the jitters and completely blow a perfect snap. Or even screw up the alignment of the ball (laces, angle, tilt, etc.).

Not every missed kick is a shank.

In any event, I'm VERY happy for the win. If this keeps up, we have a shot.
 
Super Hornet said:
You ever notice how there are THREE people involved with the mechanics of a placekick. If this keeps up, we have a shot.

FOUR-and an armchair placekicker. :lol:

What kind of shot do we get? Tequila, Rum or Tetanus?
 

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