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Should UM and UI switch positions?

PSUVikings2

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Why is it that Idaho is in th WAC but Montana is still in the BSC? If you have ever been to Moscow before you wouldknow it's hard to believe the town holds a FBS team.

Any my topic starter, would it be possible for UM and UI to swap? why or why not.
 
I'm by no means an expert on the UM situation, but from what I've read, the state of Montana want to keep UM and MSU together. So, an UM jump, would mean an MSU jump, and I don't think that the state of Montana could support two D1A programs.

Also, would UM have the same support if they were getting kicked around in D1A for five years? From my understanding, the big crowds and demand were non-existant when they were not a powerhouse of a program... Again, I'm outside looking in, so I could be wrong....
 
martymoose said:
I'm by no means an expert on the UM situation, but from what I've read, the state of Montana want to keep UM and MSU together. So, an UM jump, would mean an MSU jump, and I don't think that the state of Montana could support two D1A programs.

Also, would UM have the same support if they were getting kicked around in D1A for five years? From my understanding, the big crowds and demand were non-existant when they were not a powerhouse of a program... Again, I'm outside looking in, so I could be wrong....

yep I've heard of the 2 for 1 deal, can't get one without the other.

It would be interesting to see how the attendance would go if the Griz went into a slump.
 
PSUVikings said:
martymoose said:
I'm by no means an expert on the UM situation, but from what I've read, the state of Montana want to keep UM and MSU together. So, an UM jump, would mean an MSU jump, and I don't think that the state of Montana could support two D1A programs.

Also, would UM have the same support if they were getting kicked around in D1A for five years? From my understanding, the big crowds and demand were non-existant when they were not a powerhouse of a program... Again, I'm outside looking in, so I could be wrong....

yep I've heard of the 2 for 1 deal, can't get one without the other.

It would be interesting to see how the attendance would go if the Griz went into a slump.

The Montana schools are linked together much like the Washington schools.

Don't hold me to this....but, I think OU and OSU here in Oklahoma has the same deal.
 
PSUVikings said:
Why is it that Idaho is in th WAC but Montana is still in the BSC? If you have ever been to Moscow before you wouldknow it's hard to believe the town holds a FBS team.

Any my topic starter, would it be possible for UM and UI to swap? why or why not.

Montana is not interested because they would lose support. I don't think that they are interested in D1A at all including non conference games.. Somebody tell me why they are still playing teams like Fort Lewis College?
 
cut41 said:
PSUVikings said:
Why is it that Idaho is in th WAC but Montana is still in the BSC? If you have ever been to Moscow before you wouldknow it's hard to believe the town holds a FBS team.

Any my topic starter, would it be possible for UM and UI to swap? why or why not.

Montana is not interested because they would lose support. I don't think that they are interested in D1A at all including non conference games.. Somebody tell me why they are still playing teams like Fort Lewis College?

It makes sense for UM to play teams like Fort Lewis at home.

a) they don't require D1A road game to provide funds for their Athletic Department

b) 23k in attendance for a home game that have a 99% chance of winning is a win/win situation. Revenue stream + a win on their record.
 
PSUVikings said:
Why is it that Idaho is in th WAC but Montana is still in the BSC? If you have ever been to Moscow before you wouldknow it's hard to believe the town holds a FBS team.

Any my topic starter, would it be possible for UM and UI to swap? why or why not.

Like many things, it should happen but it won't because it makes too much sense.
 
27 years ago, legend has it that Idaho was headed to the WAC, and even though UI had a fair monopoly of support at the State Board of Education and the legislature, apparently someone with the state got it in mind that UI, BSU, and Idaho State should stay together. I do not know how serious the WAC was about Idaho at that time, to be honest.

About 12 years later, back in 1994, after Boise State had gone to the 1-AA national championship (not sure if those games have been retroactively re-named), Boise State became the prize for the Big West. Idaho was needed for numbers (though it was thought that the state was helping couple the two), so they both ended up in the Big West. From there, the schools have been pretty much on their own. Idaho is in the WAC because the WAC needed numbers after the Texas schools left for C-USA... including the surprise addition of UTEP, which most still think is better suited in the WAC or Mountain West. Idaho was literally the only option for the WAC outside trying to dip into FCS schools. If Montana was ready, they probably would have beat out Idaho, but Montana appears to have never really been in the discussion at the time.

Idaho has used about every trick they can muster to keep over the attendance requirements, including playing home games on the Washington State campus. That little quirk of geography is likely the only reason Idaho is still in the FBS.
 
I think it would be a mistake for UM to move up. It aint all flowers and bowl games. I hear a lot of UM fans saying how they are the best team in all FCS. Which is debateable. Thats how we at UNC felt about DII. We would crush Ft. Lewis & company every year. We won 2 national championships, attendance was up, and the school was growing. Now look at us. Unless UM fans are prepared to go through some hard times they should stay in FCS.
 
"lifeisapuntreturn"... candidate for best name ever.

He brought up the frustration regarding moving the BSC up. Problem:

Weber is the fourth school in Utah, so to speak. The fact that BYU is a private makes that scene all the funkier.

Northern Arizona, 3rd school in Arizona.

Northern Colorado, anywhere from 3rd to 5th in Colorado, depending on if you think the attention many sports channels (and others) give to college hockey matters much, plus whether you think Air Force is actually a regional draw more than it is a national draw.

Idaho State, 3rd school in Idaho.

Eastern Washington, 4th school in Washington, with Gonzaga a close 3rd to Washington State.

(all of these are in terms of attention, fan bases, et cetera, and little to nothing to do with game performance)

At least Portland State is the 3rd school in Oregon.

Sac... it's hard to say whether that's a black hole or not. It's far enough away that the Hornets might actually get some attention that Stanford and Cal might get, but they're still in line behind both Sacramento and Bay Area pro sports. Heck, ask Fresno about all the LA school fans that fight for time on Fresno talk stations. California is a tough nut to crack for ANY school, with the POSSIBLE exception of USC...

...which is why it's almost as foolhardy to consider the Big West. The market may grow, but sans baseball, how many of those schools are really going anywhere?

That leaves the Montana schools, and they're in the right position by being the marquee schools in the state. Mind you, the state has a growth rate at half of all the other states (except California) in the SKY, and for not being that well populated in the first place, they aren't anything that TV networks are going to spend money to televise. Unfortunately, that says as much for the Sky's profile as it does for Montana's move-up options.

So consider this: if the Sky does pick things up, other conferences will pick off the responsible schools before the Sky can make anything of it.
 

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