SiouxFan Realignment Nonesense

[Siouxfan]

GOing to get a lot of grief for this, but the Sac St administration is going to go FBS and this latest HC decision is evidence. Why would a coach takes a presumably decrease in pay and prestige to FCS? A. Sac St is going FBS.

The WAC wants to get into the next round of CFP payouts scheduled for 2025.
In 2011,CA was in a total budget crisis so those schools couldn’t move up then. Now they can,

The new WAC:

West
Sac St - UC Davis
Cal Poly - Cal Baptist
GCU - NMSU
East
UTRGV - Sam Houston St
Lamar - McNeese St
UMKC - ORU
Wichita St - Missouri St both as FBS affiliates
maybe Incarnate Word gets included

There won’t be any FCS teams, but non football is allowed.
Seattle and UVU will escape to the Big Sky.
Dixie St and Metro St are getting invited to the WAC but their final resting place will be the Big Sky.

California football can’t survive at FCS or even D2, so it has to go FBS. Sac St should be at least at the level of Fresno St. Haven’t kept track, but isn’t a larger basketball arena finally being built?

 

[SDHornet]

Sorry SF, not going to let your realignment pipedreams/nonsense ruin our celebration of a great move by our admin to hire a top notch coach. I'm giving you your own thread.

 

[Siouxfan]

Why would Dan Hawkins take the helm of a lowly Davis FCS program when he’s got much higher credentials? Same reason.

 

[Kadeezy]

Interesting theory, and one I would love to see - but it ain’t happening. Let’s make the FCS playoff and average 50% capacity in our stadium for a year first...

 

[SDHornet]

Why would Dan Hawkins take the helm of a lowly Davis FCS program when he’s got much higher credentials? Same reason.

The same reason a Pac12 OC would take a lowly job here...he wanted to "come home".

 

[Siouxfan]

Why would Dan Hawkins take the helm of a lowly Davis FCS program when he’s got much higher credentials? Same reason.

The same reason a Pac12 OC would take a lowly job here...he wanted to "come home".

Dan Hawkins wouldn’t waste his time with a school that is content with FCS.
Neither would Taylor.

Opposed to FBS are you? Any self respecting administrator with more than 15k students with some of them residential isn’t. UT-Arlington might go FBS with the Texas Rangers soon to be abandoned stadium like Ga St did with the old Braves stadium.

Sacramento is just too big of a Metro for a large schools not to have an FBS team. The MLS will probably skip SAC again and the Raiders are leaving. There is a big void that SAC and Davis can fill and they’d both do better than SJSU.

 

[SDHornet]

Why would Dan Hawkins take the helm of a lowly Davis FCS program when he’s got much higher credentials? Same reason.

The same reason a Pac12 OC would take a lowly job here...he wanted to "come home".

Dan Hawkins wouldn’t waste his time with a school that is content with FCS.
Neither would Taylor.

Opposed to FBS are you? Any self respecting administrator with more than 15k students with some of them residential isn’t. UT-Arlington might go FBS with the Texas Rangers soon to be abandoned stadium like Ga St did with the old Braves stadium.

Sacramento is just too big of a Metro for a large schools not to have an FBS team. The MLS will probably skip SAC again and the Raiders are leaving. There is a big void that SAC and Davis can fill and they’d both do better than SJSU.

Not anti-FBS, just not buying what you are selling. We would be no different than SJSU if we were FBS. Literally a carbon copy, and that ain't something to strive for. In the athletic entertainment world, Sac is just a suburb of the Bay Area so all eyes will predominately be on 49ers, Raiders (yes they are moving, but their fanbase is everywhere), Giants, A's, Warriors, Kings. When you get to the collegiate level, Cal and Stanford are the primary draws. MLS isn't coming to Sac, that boat sailed 2 years ago.

Now, if by FBS you mean whatever 2nd tier will exist after the P4 breaks loose (the next TV deal negotiations will create another realignment circus) then sure, I can see us easily being at the "same level" as the leftover G5 (MW) along with whatever top funded FCS programs get in into the fold.

 

[Siouxfan]

Why would Dan Hawkins take the helm of a lowly Davis FCS program when he’s got much higher credentials? Same reason.

The same reason a Pac12 OC would take a lowly job here...he wanted to "come home".

Dan Hawkins wouldn’t waste his time with a school that is content with FCS.
Neither would Taylor.

Opposed to FBS are you? Any self respecting administrator with more than 15k students with some of them residential isn’t. UT-Arlington might go FBS with the Texas Rangers soon to be abandoned stadium like Ga St did with the old Braves stadium.

Sacramento is just too big of a Metro for a large schools not to have an FBS team. The MLS will probably skip SAC again and the Raiders are leaving. There is a big void that SAC and Davis can fill and they’d both do better than SJSU.

Not anti-FBS, just not buying what you are selling. We would be no different than SJSU if we were FBS. Literally a carbon copy, and that ain't something to strive for. In the athletic entertainment world, Sac is just a suburb of the Bay Area so all eyes will predominately be on 49ers, Raiders (yes they are moving, but their fanbase is everywhere), Giants, A's, Warriors, Kings. When you get to the collegiate level, Cal and Stanford are the primary draws. MLS isn't coming to Sac, that boat sailed 2 years ago.

Now, if by FBS you mean whatever 2nd tier will exist after the P4 breaks loose (the next TV deal negotiations will create another realignment circus) then sure, I can see us easily being at the "same level" as the leftover G5 (MW) along with whatever top funded FCS programs get in into the fold.

Fresno St and San Diego St are programs that Sac St can aspire to be like. SJSU is one of the FBS programs that always seems in the dumpster. And their other programs are worse.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

I don't pretend to know all the guidelines for qualifying for FBS, but I know that averaging 15K+ paid tickets per home game is one requirement. Not sure Sac State averaged half of that last season.

In short, they can't go FBS until that changes.

 

[Siouxfan]

I don't pretend to know all the guidelines for qualifying for FBS, but I know that averaging 15K+ paid tickets per home game is one requirement. Not sure Sac State averaged half of that last season.

In short, they can't go FBS until that changes.

Many MAC schools continue to qualify by having their Foundations buying up tickets at 1/3rd the price to average 15k. The NCAA allows this.

Cal Poly and Davis would need a stadium expansion. Recently, Coastal Carolina moved up with a 19k stadium, but they still had to buy tickets, At FCS they only had 9k seats.

 

[SochorField]

That is the shittie*t looking conference I've ever seen.

Stop with the conspiracy theories about why Hawkins and Taylor took their jobs. Nonsense.
Hawkins is at the tail-end of his career and loves his alma mater. Taylor wanted to be a HC and Sac was the quickest path to that goal- and in a geographic location he is comfortable with.

.....complete nonsense.

P.S. SDHornet nailed the name of this thread.

 

[Siouxfan]

According to this:

https://www.davisenterprise.com/sports/aggie-football-maintaining-the-lofty-perch/

But I’m just an idiot who said this would happen.

Sac St and Poly have to follow.

Davis is just too big, and prestigious, to stay FCS.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Is this a joke? UCD has one really good season and suddenly they are too big and prestigious for FCS? Gimme an effing break.

Secondly, they won't be able to sustain this level of success. It's all a moot point. Just a bunch of talk.

 

[GreenArmySwarm]

:lol:

"too big and prestigious for the FCS"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After one good season this decade... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The whole Ivy League, " "
lmao

Who is this guy?

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

All print media is crap and fake news. It is more a blogspot than professional journalism.

More so than the source of this BS.

 

[SDHornet]

1) SF, I merged this thread with your other realignment crap. For future reference, keep all your realignment crap here, this is your sandbox, next time I’ll just delete the thread.

2) The dungpilers should be competitive year in and year out. Like us, they finally have an admin that actually gives a damn about athletics.

3) There is no where to position to for western FCS. The MW is full and with 3 CSU’s in the conference, probably won’t want a UC. I chalk any “positioning for FBS” stuff up to getting ready for whatever new classifications exist following the P4 consolidation.

4) See #1 above.

 

[Siouxfan]

Fully expect more UC Davis FBS talk soon. Poly and Sac St will at their wit so ends end in the local papers, and be forced to FBS too, but your Presidents have planned this all along to confuse lawmakers. Suddenly the Southland schools like UTRGV, Sam Houston St, Lamar etc, who have talked FBS before but have gotten reject slips for the Sun Belt and been mysteriously silent since, will be guns ablazing for FBS and the WAC, and a new FBS WAC will form.

In the mean time, the WAC has been a compliant partner for the Big Sky has invited Dixie St and soon to be Metro St of Denver, which will both be future members of the vastly revamped Big Sky.

The WAC will be collecting current FCS schools that want to be FBS, so the WAC is clever in their deceit. FCS schools their collect that don’t have the ability of go FBS, like Dixie, will be Big Sky bound when the whole operation is finished.

This “non sense” thread will become prophetic, as you mods refuse to believe that Sac St and Poly Presidents have any athletic aspirations.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

As SDH pointed out, the classifications as we know them will cease to exist.
I dont see how Poly could pull it off attendance wise, not just the reporting, but the $$$ the patrons actually bring in through gate receipts. The program would be on welfare from day one. Losing breeds apathy, after a decade of 3-8 seasons the program is dropped for soccer. The new national sport of the University of Mexico-SLO campus.

Slim chance Sac and davis could pull it off given the apathetic populace, but are in a large metro area, so that is understandable. But look at UOP and SJSU for the future.....history repeats itself. And Sac/davis dont have the interest and Poly does not have the people.

Once clear heads prevail, they will cobble this together:
Sac State, UCFE, POLY, SJSU, Hawaii, NAU, PSU

Time to take another hit.......

 

[Siouxfan]

As SDH pointed out, the classifications as we know them will cease to exist.
I dont see how Poly could pull it off attendance wise, not just the reporting, but the $$$ the patrons actually bring in through gate receipts. The program would be on welfare from day one. Losing breeds apathy, after a decade of 3-8 seasons the program is dropped for soccer. The new national sport of the University of Mexico-SLO campus.

Slim chance Sac and davis could pull it off given the apathetic populace, but are in a large metro area, so that is understandable. But look at UOP and SJSU for the future.....history repeats itself. And Sac/davis dont have the interest and Poly does not have the people.

Once clear heads prevail, they will cobble this together:
Sac State, UCFE, POLY, SJSU, Hawaii, NAU, PSU

Time to take another hit.......

The Green Cookie Monster crumbles when presented with facts.

Cal Poly announced last year a stadium expansion which will take it above 15k, the magic number for FBS.

http://mustangnews.net/uu-expansion-off-campus-housing-among-changes-announced-in-2035-campus-master-plan/

The slim chances is remiscent of the UC Davis board when they said Sac St is broke, no wa that they could go FBS.

You guys deserve each other!

 

[Siouxfan]

If any restructuring happens next decade, the whole of FBS will create a super DI classification. That would mean all of G5 and above would still be in the upper level. The Big West and maybe a WCC without Gonzaga would be left behind in a new DII. Cal Poly and Davis don’t want to be part of that Big West. The Big East would somehow get an exemption. Gonzaga would join the MWC to keep it in a higher level. Hawaii might join the WAC again.

Sac St Admin wouldn’t want to stay behind either so they need to get their butts in gear.