So...who would YOU start next week?

[EWUeag]

Padron made some BIG TIME throws (some of which were dropped) when he came into the game. Also showed off his wheels a bit.

However, Adams was crisp, accurate, and he can obviously juke anyone out of their jock. It's a wash for me.

 

[EWU98]

Vernon!!
Padron during the first two games did not look like he was in sync with the WR's . . .especially the 1st one (I know I know it was the first game). He also stays in the pocket way too long and takes too many sacks.
We need continuity with the WR and QB.
My real thinking on this is that for some reason Padron has been injured and Baldwin has been like Deep Throat keeping his mouth shut.
If that is not the case we can not do the rotating QB thing as it has NEVER WORKED!!!

Loved the WIN but tired of the these close games if we truely are the #1 team in the nation then we need to start playing like it . . .take no prisoners.. TEAM VERNON & TEAM EAGLES!!

 

[EWURanger]

I think it's a wash...the players are just so different. KP obviously has the stronger arm, and even showed some wheels in this game. He can really thow a great ball and has good pocket presence, but he does seem to be slow to work through his progressions at times. I was proud of the way he played in this game, and how he has handled the whole having to sit thing in general. One thing I have noticed is that when KP is in, our receivers seem to drop a shit load of balls. You can't put that on KP.

Adams is the QB of the future, but honestly I don't think it would hurt for him to develop more. He's a great player, but he is a Freshman after all and at times shows it. On the other hand, man can he make some plays.

Realistically, I think you see how both do in practice based on who the opponent is that week, and make it a game time decision. That's probably not what most would want, but at this point I think it's the correct call.

 

[EWUeag]

I think it's a wash...the players are just so different. KP obviously has the stronger arm, and even showed some wheels in this game. He can really thow a great ball and has good pocket presence, but he does seem to be slow to work through his progressions at times. I was proud of the way he played in this game, and how we has handled the whole having to sit thing in general. One thing I have noticed is that KP is in, our receivers seem to drop a shit load of balls. You can't put that in KP.

Adams is the QB of the future, but honestly I don't think it would hurt for him to develop more. He's a great player, but he is a Freshman after all and at times shows it. On the other hand, man can he make some plays.

Realistically, I think you see how borh do in practice based on who the opponent is that week, and mKe it a game time decision. That's probably not what most would want, but at this point I think it's the correct call.

IMO Padron played his best half of football tonight. Quick reads, long scrambles, every throw hit his receivers in the hands...

Then Adams comes in, makes quick reads, gashing scrambles, and accurate throws.

Either of these QBs could start at any BSC school, and probably be all BSC conference caliber.

 

[EWUeag]

From the ESPN recap..."Adams was 17 of 21 for 169 yards and two TDs for the Eagles (6-1, 5-0 Big Sky). Padron finished up, going 9 for 16 for 173 yards, including a 52-yard TD pass to Brandon Kaufman that put Eastern Washington up 31-21 with 11:22 left in the game."

Without the drops, Padron could have been closer to 11or12 for 16.

 

[LDopaPDX]

You play BOTH. Let each one have a drive to open the game, and then move to one for the remainder. Make the defense guess which way you are going. I'd probably go with Padron unless a situation occurs where Adams is the better choice, such as being pinned deep in your own territory.

After watching both guys, it seems Padron is a little further ahead, especially since he's now finding comfort in running when the pocket collapses. I was surprised by his upfield speed. I didn't remember him being this fast.

 

[EWURanger]

From the ESPN recap..."Adams was 17 of 21 for 169 yards and two TDs for the Eagles (6-1, 5-0 Big Sky). Padron finished up, going 9 for 16 for 173 yards, including a 52-yard TD pass to Brandon Kaufman that put Eastern Washington up 31-21 with 11:22 left in the game."

Without the drops, Padron could have been closer to 11or12 for 16.

Exactly, he is the victim of a lot of dropped passes, not just in this game.

 

[eaglesfootball]

i think EWU98 might be on to something here and Padron has maybe been hurt some but they didnt want to say anything. i remember him getting banged up pretty badly in the Wazzu game and then Adams starts the very next game against Weber and starts doing well so they stick with him. All that being said I think you have to have to give both qbs a fair shot to play on any given saturday. i am starting to think Vernon could be the real deal as some have mentioned but by the same token he was just so so bad against Mont St and I really think that Padron should have been put into that game. I have no idea what the coaches were thinking in this one but ldopa might be right that the coaches told him before the game that he was going to play. All in all both QBs played pretty well and I agree our receivers need to hang on to the damn ball! Very out of character for them minus Clark and Edwards who caught basically everything thrown their way!! go eags!

 

[clawman1]

In the post game interview on 700 ESPN, Padron said he knew earlier in the week he would get some playing time. It seems the tone, or pace, or ?? of the offense changes with Kyle in. I have NO idea who the players have more confidence in but I am convinced we would not have won today without Padron. Receivers are dropping too many balls, I noticed in the Bobcat game our three top receivers dropped at least one ball that should have been a reception. Why they are dropping good passes I don't know but they better clean it up or we will lose at least one of our final games an be in jeopardy of not getting a top 4 seed.

 

[MLEagle]

I agree that Adams is the qb of the future. He has also had some great plays but has also been a bit inconsistent. It made me nervous when Baldwin made the qb switch earlier in the season, but I am willing to trust Beau because he obviously had a plan. I'm glad he played Padron and think he played the better game tonight. Padron deserves to get more snaps next week. Adams is the future, but I want the guy who gives us the best chance to win now.

 

[ewunerd]

This question is like asking me if I want the Mercedes or the BMW... If we could work out a system to swap each QB seamlessly we'd have a rediculous offense to prepare for. Considering the shared playing time teach QB had very repsectable stats.

Our problem is how do we score TDs in the redzone? We got into close scoring range often yet struggled, including a rediculous TD that wouldnt happen 9 out of 10 times.

 

[clawman1]

Based on the little bit I know about being a QB it would seem that if Padron played the entire game he would get into a better rhythm and be more efficient as the game went along. If we switch QB's from game to game based on need is one thing but to change qtr to qtr seems counter productive.

 

[FreeBird]

IMHO, playing both on a regular basis is not a good idea. I also trust this coaching staff in all matters related to selecting who should play QB. They've earned that trust over time. With that said, here's this bleacher bum's opinion.

Pick 1. Both QB's are new to the system and need every snap they can get to get better as the team approaches the playoffs. Having multiple QB's that throw the ball differently, may be one of the reason why a group of receivers that have traditionally been sure handed, all of the sudden have a case of the drops.

I like Adams mobility and play making, but wonder at times if he can best leverage our collection of experienced and talented receivers. Of course as any Mike Vick fan will tell you, that play making ability will always be a double edged sword. Whoever the QB is, it would seem the offense is throwing a lot fewer intermediate routes, and a lot more swing passes and deep routes. Maybe the DB's are just taking away the short stuff and biting on the shorter routes and giving us the deep routes. For that to happen consistently would be unusual. I love the fact that we have a running game this year, and it's not just, give the ball to Taiwan, and watch something spectacular happen.

I don't see the practices, so I don't know what the coaches know about each of the QB's but I wonder if Adams isn't the clear cut coaches choice, but possibly had a bad week of practice struggling with wind. Obviously it can effect throws both when you are facing it, and when it is at your back. That could explain Padron's playing time. I like the idea of putting him in right before half time. DC's have very little time to get a lot done at half time, and I'm guessing this consumed a lot of it. If nothing else, this makes it harder for other teams to prepare for us. A little more diversity in the plays run from the various specific formations, might help too.

 

[kalm]

I completely trust Baldwin so I'm fine with this thing going forward and I don't think it matters who starts. Some good perspective from Blanchette:

To recap: Vernon Adams, 17 of 21, 169 yards, two touchdowns. And helping signal in plays in crunch time.

No mad scientist, Baldwin had his reasons: 1) Padron’s progress in practice, and 2) both times the stronger-armed junior was sent in, the Eagles were heading into a wind of up to 20 mph.

“And Vernon almost needed some mental relief,” Baldwin said. “After last week, I felt like he’d been through a season already. You could see it in his eyes in the TV version (of the game video). I think it was a weight off his shoulders today that he didn’t have to feel it was all on him.”

In Adams, Baldwin has a talent he compared to running back Taiwan Jones, the current Oakland Raider, or a basketball player who hucks up “the 26-footer and you’re like, ‘Don’t shoot, oh, nice shot.’ ” Padron is a slinger – he picked a low snap off the ground and hit Ashton Clark 26 yards away almost without looking – but no statue (he had runs of 13 and 21 yards).

The disparate talents are not irrelevant.

“It’s almost like I’ve got two sets of plays I can call,” Baldwin said.

Mostly, Baldwin will play both – whenever – because he believes he can.

“They can handle it,” he said. “They are so for each other. This hasn’t been the easiest situation for Kyle the last four weeks, and all he ever did during this time was help Vernon.

“My gut says this is going to work.”

The same gut that was churning when Vernon Adams was turning the red turf into his own Tilt-a-Whirl. Yes, it could be quite a ride.

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[Screamin_Eagle174]

Start both. KP at QB and VA at RB. :twisted: :lol:

 

[kalm]

Start both. KP at QB and VA at RB. :twisted: :lol:

I like it! Then opposing DC's would have three offenses to prepare for.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Our problem is how do we score TDs in the redzone? We got into close scoring range often yet struggled, including a rediculous TD that wouldnt happen 9 out of 10 times.

Yes, very good point.

This is when we need to have at least some semblance of a power running game. Also, we don't seem to throw that little fade ball to Kaufman any more, even though he saw man coverage on the outside in almost all of those goalline situations yesterday. I don't know why we've gone away from that this season.

 

[eaglesfootball]

well up until the MSU game we had something like 14/14 scoring attempts in the red zone. I dont think this will be an on-going problem. And agree about the fade to Kaufman, no one in the Big Sky can stop it even when they know its coming. Might as well throw it every time.

 

[clawman1]

Start both. KP at QB and VA at RB. :twisted: :lol:

I've thought that same thing earlier in the season but... I dunno?? If a coach is concerned about a QB getting injured and having a backup, with both on the field you are doubling down.
I wonder how well Vernon reads defenses. Padrons experience may be an asset in that category. The Bobcats certainly had us figured out or else Vernon could not see the open receivers.

 

[marceagfan5]

Both are capable of starting, but we are 5-0 when Adams starts...so I think that answers it. I think Kyle saw a lot of playing time yesterday as he had a stronger arm, we couldn't run it, and the wind was blowing. I think we will continue to see a lot more of Adams, but both are studs...