Who will be the projected starter for the opener? I know we have some good QB's in the mix. Will we see the transfer from BSU make an impact? Do we seek a JC QB for the time being? Is Shaw the answer? Does Tanner Mangum leave BYU and come here? I think this has to be our top priority going forward.
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Starting QB 2018
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SWeberCat02
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Shaw will be a Jr, if he's still on the team. Wouldn't be surprised if he's cut after his disastrous play against SUU and subsequent demotion to 3rd string.
Miles will be a Soph and assumed the backup role after Shaw's demotion. Played decent in very limited time. Will probably get a shot at the starting job.
Jenks and Hymas should both get a shot after redshirting as freshman. Jenks is probably Hill's highest rated QB recruit since he's been at Weber.
Ricedorff is intriguing. Will only have one season of eligibility after losing a year by testing positive for PEDs while at Boise St. Was recruited by Weber out of HS but chose to walk-on at ASU after a mission. Was NJCAA Offensive Player of the Year at Mesa CC in 2016.
Miles will be a Soph and assumed the backup role after Shaw's demotion. Played decent in very limited time. Will probably get a shot at the starting job.
Jenks and Hymas should both get a shot after redshirting as freshman. Jenks is probably Hill's highest rated QB recruit since he's been at Weber.
Ricedorff is intriguing. Will only have one season of eligibility after losing a year by testing positive for PEDs while at Boise St. Was recruited by Weber out of HS but chose to walk-on at ASU after a mission. Was NJCAA Offensive Player of the Year at Mesa CC in 2016.
oldrunner
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I don't see it as the top priority at all. Who ever wins it will deserve it and like you said, there is plenty of talent there. We went pretty far with a QB that nobody wanted this past year.
I think there is a good chance of a freshman or a sophomore winning the starters mantle this spring. However, I think there is a possibility of no starter being named until late summer or fall. Any way I look at it, we seem to be stronger on O next year.
To me, a bigger question is who will win PT along the D line and in the secondary. If our D can come back close to where they were this year, watch out.
I think there is a good chance of a freshman or a sophomore winning the starters mantle this spring. However, I think there is a possibility of no starter being named until late summer or fall. Any way I look at it, we seem to be stronger on O next year.
To me, a bigger question is who will win PT along the D line and in the secondary. If our D can come back close to where they were this year, watch out.
oldrunner said:I don't see it as the top priority at all. Who ever wins it will deserve it and like you said, there is plenty of talent there. We went pretty far with a QB that nobody wanted this past year.
I think there is a good chance of a freshman or a sophomore winning the starters mantle this spring. However, I think there is a possibility of no starter being named until late summer or fall. Any way I look at it, we seem to be stronger on O next year.
To me, a bigger question is who will win PT along the D line and in the secondary. If our D can come back close to where they were this year, watch out.
It is isnt going to matter if we have the Denver Broncos defense, if we dont have a competent QB. QB has to be priority number one. We maybe go .500 without Cantwell, he was that good. Cantwell will go down as one of the best to play at the QB position for only played a year as a starter. The key to a deep playoff run, is QB play.
SWeberCat02
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If it's not the #1 priority, it had better be pretty close to #1. QB and TE are the only positions on the offense where there are questions going into next season, and the QB is the most important player is sports. I'm convinced that if Cantwell had been the starter in 2016, that team could have been as good as this season's team. To me, that's the difference that a QB can make.
Yes, I understand that we are losing two or three to the NFL. Positions in which we need to replace:
QB
TE (lose both TE's this year),
DB's/Safties (we do bring back several with good experience; Benjamin, Maxwell, Smith, Harrison, both Preators, Hoskins, and Arbon). Yes, major hits with Harry and Johnson leaving, but we can manage the corners with depth next year.
DE (We lose Murphy, Malan, Henderson)
P
WR (Batchelor will be hard to replace, but we are loaded here, Denby ((does he get a year back))).
We just need to get reloaded at few positions. We should be in good position for another run next year.
QB
TE (lose both TE's this year),
DB's/Safties (we do bring back several with good experience; Benjamin, Maxwell, Smith, Harrison, both Preators, Hoskins, and Arbon). Yes, major hits with Harry and Johnson leaving, but we can manage the corners with depth next year.
DE (We lose Murphy, Malan, Henderson)
P
WR (Batchelor will be hard to replace, but we are loaded here, Denby ((does he get a year back))).
We just need to get reloaded at few positions. We should be in good position for another run next year.
oldrunner
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Was it Cantwell or everyone around him?SWeberCat02 said:
I think that Cantwell was a serviceable, running QB with an average arm. The biggest thing he had was his competitive spirit and guts. I like him a lot, but there is a reason he didn't win the position in 2016. He has all the intangibles but few of the tangibles. We have better QBs coming up in the program.
To me, he is the perfect example of why having a highly talented QB is less important than having a complete team and good leadership.
oldrunner said:Was it Cantwell or everyone around him?SWeberCat02 said:
I think that Cantwell was a serviceable, running QB with an average arm. The biggest thing he had was his competitive spirit and guts. I like him a lot, but there is a reason he didn't win the position in 2016. He has all the intangibles but few of the tangibles. We have better QBs coming up in the program.
To me, he is the perfect example of why having a highly talented QB is less important than having a complete team and good leadership.
Olds, did you not watch any games this year? Think about what happened when Cantwell went down against SUU? He was the best player on the field. Again, Cantwell will go down as having one of the best seasons in WSU history. Hill kicks himself every day for not playing Cantwell over Clark. If you listen to his interviews, he basically gave Clark the reigns due to experience and being in the program forever... He had more than an average arm, dude had D1 baseball offers... Do you honestly think Clark takes this team to Virginia this year? Cantwell was the team.. end of story.
SWeberCat02
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WSUfan said:oldrunner said:Was it Cantwell or everyone around him?SWeberCat02 said:
I think that Cantwell was a serviceable, running QB with an average arm. The biggest thing he had was his competitive spirit and guts. I like him a lot, but there is a reason he didn't win the position in 2016. He has all the intangibles but few of the tangibles. We have better QBs coming up in the program.
To me, he is the perfect example of why having a highly talented QB is less important than having a complete team and good leadership.
Olds, did you not watch any games this year? Think about what happened when Cantwell went down against SUU? He was the best player on the field. Again, Cantwell will go down as having one of the best seasons in WSU history. Hill kicks himself every day for not playing Cantwell over Clark. If you listen to his interviews, he basically gave Clark the reigns due to experience and being in the program forever... He had more than an average arm, dude had D1 baseball offers... Do you honestly think Clark takes this team to Virginia this year? Cantwell was the team.. end of story.
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Cantwell doesn't pass the eye test so people automatically think he only has "serviceable" skills. But he was a very good athlete with much more than serviceable skills. Yes, he had off the charts intangibles, but to say that he only had an average arm is just wrong. Not having him start in 2016 was a coaching mistake. We can all see now, and many of us saw it prior to and during the '16 season, that Clark was not the best QB on the team and shouldn't have been the starter.
oldrunner
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Yes, Shaw came in and laid an ege. They didn't want to pull the red shirt off of Jenks and Miles came in a did a prety good job. The problem in that game was that our D didn't come in ready to play. The whole team didn't react well to the BYE week. Cantwell's going down shouldn't have stopped the D's ability to tackle, or the O lines ability to block, or our receivers ability to catch the ball. Cantwell's going down did not cost us that game. The team lost that game.WSUfan said:oldrunner said:Was it Cantwell or everyone around him?SWeberCat02 said:
I think that Cantwell was a serviceable, running QB with an average arm. The biggest thing he had was his competitive spirit and guts. I like him a lot, but there is a reason he didn't win the position in 2016. He has all the intangibles but few of the tangibles. We have better QBs coming up in the program.
To me, he is the perfect example of why having a highly talented QB is less important than having a complete team and good leadership.
Olds, did you not watch any games this year? Think about what happened when Cantwell went down against SUU? He was the best player on the field. Again, Cantwell will go down as having one of the best seasons in WSU history. Hill kicks himself every day for not playing Cantwell over Clark. If you listen to his interviews, he basically gave Clark the reigns due to experience and being in the program forever... He had more than an average arm, dude had D1 baseball offers... Do you honestly think Clark takes this team to Virginia this year? Cantwell was the team.. end of story.
Cantwell was huge this season. At first glance he doesn't look like much of a QB, but there is one attribute he brought to the program that really helped the Cats advance, and that was his ability to win. He just knew what it would take to win. Also, he is one efficient QB. His passing stats aren't amazing, except that when he did pass, he was accurate and didn't turn the ball over. As a running QB, he was a bowling ball. Who needs a full back when you have a QB built like a LB who is running guys over and picking up first downs. His last significant trait was his ability to pick up crucial yards and to make right plays. Jadrian did a decent job at Weber, but the guy did some knuckle-headed things at times. Whereas, with Cantwell, you knew that when the shit hit the fan, instead of looking into the wind he actually turned his head. Cantwell was a HUGE reason why the Cats were as successful as they were this year.
Next year?? Well, three of the five returning QBs (I'm sure Coach will sign another one too), are duplicates of Stefan Cantwell. Braden Miles, Kaden Jenks, and Zach Hymas are all 6-2/6-3 220lb kids. We got to see Miles a bit this year and he was okay. Never seemed fully comfortable in the pocket, but the same thing could have been said of Cantwell last year when he made passes. Shaw and Ricedorff are the other two kids. I think Shaw's chances are past. He looked really really bad against SUU. I just don't know if he has what it takes to be a DI QB (a lot of us said the same thing about Cantwell last year) and Ricedorff...well, why bring him in if he isn't going to play? I wouldn't doubt Ricedorff being the top dawg. Which is fine. Gives Hyman and Jenks more time to mature and we have another QB who knows how to win. He was one of the top JC QBs last Fall.
Next year?? Well, three of the five returning QBs (I'm sure Coach will sign another one too), are duplicates of Stefan Cantwell. Braden Miles, Kaden Jenks, and Zach Hymas are all 6-2/6-3 220lb kids. We got to see Miles a bit this year and he was okay. Never seemed fully comfortable in the pocket, but the same thing could have been said of Cantwell last year when he made passes. Shaw and Ricedorff are the other two kids. I think Shaw's chances are past. He looked really really bad against SUU. I just don't know if he has what it takes to be a DI QB (a lot of us said the same thing about Cantwell last year) and Ricedorff...well, why bring him in if he isn't going to play? I wouldn't doubt Ricedorff being the top dawg. Which is fine. Gives Hyman and Jenks more time to mature and we have another QB who knows how to win. He was one of the top JC QBs last Fall.
SWWeatherCat
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SWeberCat02 said:WSUfan said:oldrunner said:Was it Cantwell or everyone around him?SWeberCat02 said:
I think that Cantwell was a serviceable, running QB with an average arm. The biggest thing he had was his competitive spirit and guts. I like him a lot, but there is a reason he didn't win the position in 2016. He has all the intangibles but few of the tangibles. We have better QBs coming up in the program.
To me, he is the perfect example of why having a highly talented QB is less important than having a complete team and good leadership.
Olds, did you not watch any games this year? Think about what happened when Cantwell went down against SUU? He was the best player on the field. Again, Cantwell will go down as having one of the best seasons in WSU history. Hill kicks himself every day for not playing Cantwell over Clark. If you listen to his interviews, he basically gave Clark the reigns due to experience and being in the program forever... He had more than an average arm, dude had D1 baseball offers... Do you honestly think Clark takes this team to Virginia this year? Cantwell was the team.. end of story.
:+1:
Cantwell doesn't pass the eye test so people automatically think he only has "serviceable" skills. But he was a very good athlete with much more than serviceable skills. Yes, he had off the charts intangibles, but to say that he only had an average arm is just wrong. Not having him start in 2016 was a coaching mistake. We can all see now, and many of us saw it prior to and during the '16 season, that Clark was not the best QB on the team and shouldn't have been the starter.
:+1: :+1:
Cantwell's strongest attribute was his decision making and that he didn't turn the ball over because of that strength. It helped that he has the build to protect the ball and himself as much as he ran. I agree he doesn't have the strongest arm but is accurate. You're not seeing things clearly if you can't see how much Cantwell meant to the success of this team and replacing him will be the #1 key to maintaining this year's success.
talhadfoursteals
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The Dan said:
:clap: :clap: A lot of guys on our two deep are better than a large chunk of starters at other Big Sky Schools.
MrLevski
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I will miss Cantwell. Thought he was a great QB. Weber's season wouldn't have been nearly as successful without him running things.
Time for everyone else to step up. The next team has a good chance to repeat at Big Sky Champs and it's going to need a better-than-average QB to do just that.
Time for everyone else to step up. The next team has a good chance to repeat at Big Sky Champs and it's going to need a better-than-average QB to do just that.
oldrunner
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If the O line continues to improve, we may only need a QB to hand it off and make the occasional pitch out. :lol:
It would be nice to have a good QB, and it would be great to have a great QB. However, to be a good team, neither is required. To be a great team, I think we need a good QB, at the very least. IMHO, we have some candidates within our program who have the potential to be great. They just don't have a lot of experience right now. Hopefully, spring ball will help a little with that. I believe that somebody is going to step up and make us all proud.
It would be nice to have a good QB, and it would be great to have a great QB. However, to be a good team, neither is required. To be a great team, I think we need a good QB, at the very least. IMHO, we have some candidates within our program who have the potential to be great. They just don't have a lot of experience right now. Hopefully, spring ball will help a little with that. I believe that somebody is going to step up and make us all proud.
WSUWildcat
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My money is on Ricedorff with Jenks as a dark horse. Miles will probably be QB3. I suspect Shaw is done unless he makes major improvements. Everyone else (Hymas and any new signing) is roster depth at this point.
oldrunner
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You may be right on with that take on things. I just think it will be an interesting competition for a lot of positions this spring. Things may not actually be settled until the end of summer camp. The tight end position will be competitive, all of the DL positions, and all of the DB positions. O line looks really solid, RBs look good, WRs look good, and LBs look solid. There will be some surprises, there always is, but I think that we pick up next year just like we left this year. Who ever wins the QB position will deserve it and be talented enough to take us where we need to go. It doesn't hurt that he will be surrounded by talented, veteran players.WSUWildcat said: