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The quarterback IT factor

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tomq04

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What makes up the intagables that make a QB the guy. Obviously VA has it, and always has even going back to his high school days. The NAU freshman QB has it, particularly with that play change at the 1 yard line to throw to his uncovered receiver when it appeared to be a designed run play.

I believe Hennesey has it as well, West has great stats, but when it's time to grind (everything but the must have drives) he has struggled regularly with the only exception being the MSU game where he played lights out.

Stats aren't always reflective of a game changer, although game changers generally do have the stats follow them. What are your thoughts on EWU's QBs over the past decade and who had the IT factor?

I think West is a lot like Padron and even BLM, and Hennesey looks more like VA in his ability to spark the offense and lead.
 
tomq04 said:
What makes up the intagables that make a QB the guy. Obviously VA has it, and always has even going back to his high school days. The NAU freshman QB has it, particularly with that play change at the 1 yard line to throw to his uncovered receiver when it appeared to be a designed run play.

I believe Hennesey has it as well, West has great stats, but when it's time to grind (everything but the must have drives) he has struggled regularly with the only exception being the MSU game where he played lights out.

Stats aren't always reflective of a game changer, although game changers generally do have the stats follow them. What are your thoughts on EWU's QBs over the past decade and who had the IT factor?

I think West is a lot like Padron and even BLM, and Hennesey looks more like VA in his ability to spark the offense and lead.
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I agree with much of what you are saying and I too compare West to Padron, but I think you are either crazy or didn't watch BLM play his last year and a half to even suggest that he was anything less then great. BLM had enough IT to lead EWU to our only national title and then lead Calgary to a title in the CFL.

What more IT can you have then lead your teams to championships!
 
"It" factor personified:

Erik Meyer
BLM
VA
Kupp
Hennessy? He was damn impressive at Autzen. Talk about moxy changing the play on the goal line and throwing a dart to Kupp on the slant. Not a large body of work to fairly judge however.

Good but less "It" Guys:

Nichols (inconsistent "It")
Padron
West

All are just my opinion, and are very debatable.
 
It did seem like the team had a little extra pep in their step when Reilly came in. Anybody else feel that?
 
Did anyone else listen to post game interview with Bourne? I liked his style. For what it's worth this is what these old ears heard..feel free to correct. When asked why we didn't respond (as far as scoring was concerned) after the two early stops by our defense and generally what happened offensively he replied our quaterbacks (yes he said QB's)weren't trusting the WR's down field early on. He then said later in the game (4th qtr.) our QB's (yes he said QB's) trusted the Wr's and things started happening. This seems to me like plays were called for the ball to go downfield earlier in the game but for whatever reason it wasn't happening.
 
... And then our "QBs" came in during the 4th quarter and threw an absolute dime of a fade ball to Bourne.
 
West acts like he has the "it" factor...dancing to music pre snap and wearing his Nelly eye black

Don't get me wrong...West brings some good things to the table but seems very robotic and pre-determined where he wants to go with the ball
 
EWUeag said:
"It" factor personified:

Erik Meyer
BLM
VA
Kupp
Hennessy? He was damn impressive at Autzen. Talk about moxy changing the play on the goal line and throwing a dart to Kupp on the slant. Not a large body of work to fairly judge however.

Good but less "It" Guys:

Nichols (inconsistent "It")
Padron
West

All are just my opinion, and are very debatable.
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Nichols as a sophomore went into Lake Charles and layed waste to a #2 seed.

Nichols had two of the best games in the history of Washington Grizzly Stadium.

The win or out game @ NAU in '09 was surgeon-like.

Finishing in the top 10 all time in several FCS QB statistics...

It.

(That's my debate) :mrgreen:
 
kalm said:
EWUeag said:
"It" factor personified:

Erik Meyer
BLM
VA
Kupp
Hennessy? He was damn impressive at Autzen. Talk about moxy changing the play on the goal line and throwing a dart to Kupp on the slant. Not a large body of work to fairly judge however.

Good but less "It" Guys:

Nichols (inconsistent "It")
Padron
West

All are just my opinion, and are very debatable.
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Nichols as a sophomore went into Lake Charles and layed waste to a #2 seed.

Nichols had two of the best games in the history of Washington Grizzly Stadium.

The win or out game @ NAU in '09 was surgeon-like.

Finishing in the top 10 all time in several FCS QB statistics...

It.

(That's my debate) :mrgreen:
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How many WINS in Wa-Griz?

Nichols didn't seem to get off the bus until the 4th quarter of App St playoff

Nichols didn't get off the bus until the 4th quarter of the SFA playoff

However, I went back and forth on if he was a true "It" guy. I can see both ways.
 
EWUeag said:
kalm said:
EWUeag said:
"It" factor personified:

Erik Meyer
BLM
VA
Kupp
Hennessy? He was damn impressive at Autzen. Talk about moxy changing the play on the goal line and throwing a dart to Kupp on the slant. Not a large body of work to fairly judge however.

Good but less "It" Guys:

Nichols (inconsistent "It")
Padron
West

All are just my opinion, and are very debatable.
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Nichols as a sophomore went into Lake Charles and layed waste to a #2 seed.

Nichols had two of the best games in the history of Washington Grizzly Stadium.

The win or out game @ NAU in '09 was surgeon-like.

Finishing in the top 10 all time in several FCS QB statistics...

It.

(That's my debate) :mrgreen:
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How many WINS in Wa-Griz?

Nichols didn't seem to get off the bus until the 4th quarter of App St playoff

Nichols didn't get off the bus until the 4th quarter of the SFA playoff

However, I went back and forth on if he was a true "It" guy. I can see both ways.
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Was Matt playing corner against Bagley on "the catch"? He's the reason we lost those two in Missoula? :dunce:

He actually had a pretty good game as a sophomore against the defending and eventual champs at the Rock. Made plays with his arm and his feet.

So he threw for 461 yards and 3 TD's in the 4th quarter against SFA? (BTW we were totally beat up on both sides of the ball the last few games of that season. He's the reason we were even in the playoffs)

:coffee:
 
kalm said:
He actually had a pretty good game as a sophomore against the defending and eventual champs at the Rock. Made plays with his arm and his feet.

So he threw for 461 yards and 3 TD's in the 4th quarter against SFA? (BTW we were totally beat up on both sides of the ball the last few games of that season. He's the reason we were even in the playoffs)

:coffee:
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I can't say I recall how he did as QB but I do remember the reason we were even close in that game was special teams, specifically the returns.
 
Yes, we all know that Nichols had great stats. He still doesn't make my varsity "It" team. He's a solid swing man. QBs with that intangible trait will their teams to victory, they don't blame other players on the field, and they ooze that "come with me if you want to live" type of attitude. Meyer has it, BLM has it, Nichols had it half the time.
 
One of the big positives to Hennessy is that he gives us a legitimate upfield threat by running the football. Not to the fault of West, but our inability to run the football with inconsistency means having a QB that can do it helps out a lot. Frankly, I think West could still be the man, but he needs to learn when to take it down and take off.
 
LDopaPDX said:
One of the big positives to Hennessy is that he gives us a legitimate upfield threat by running the football. Not to the fault of West, but our inability to run the football with inconsistency means having a QB that can do it helps out a lot. Frankly, I think West could still be the man, but he needs to learn when to take it down and take off.
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Good point. There were countless times last year that VA moved the chains with his legs when the passing game was out of sync. It could really behoove us to have that threat again.
 
I hate that it took us getting our behinds whipped and embarrassed on homecoming, but we may look back and say what a blessing this game was for our future.

Reilly is the better QB. He's more mobile, more focused, and more trusting of his receivers. Moving forward, he gives us the best chance to win this season and beyond.

JW may be a good kid, and a viable back up, but he's not the best for this team. Standing flat footed in the pocket, and staring down receivers isn't going to win many games.

Let's get a couple W's and make some noise in the playoffs! Go Eags!!!
 
EWUeag said:
Yes, we all know that Nichols had great stats. He still doesn't make my varsity "It" team. He's a solid swing man. QBs with that intangible trait will their teams to victory, they don't blame other players on the field, and they ooze that "come with me if you want to live" type of attitude. Meyer has it, BLM has it, Nichols had it half the time.
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So it's a personal thing. Okee Dokee.
 
I unfortunately have no recolection of the 2011 season, not sure why. I followed all through 2010, and 2012 and beyond...but 2011 is a blur after the heartbreak at UW.

This fan hopes and thinks Reilley is the future for the next 3 years, I hope we get him in now.
 
kalm said:
EWUeag said:
Yes, we all know that Nichols had great stats. He still doesn't make my varsity "It" team. He's a solid swing man. QBs with that intangible trait will their teams to victory, they don't blame other players on the field, and they ooze that "come with me if you want to live" type of attitude. Meyer has it, BLM has it, Nichols had it half the time.
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So it's a personal thing. Okee Dokee.
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Not at all. He's never said a mean spirited word to me. And it's funny you bring this up. You get more butt hurt and rush to the defense more than anyone on this board. Gtfo. You can't handle the fact that people have differing opinions than you, so you try to dig up any stat that supports your side, and you do so in a completely arrogant manner. It must be tiresome.
 
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