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The Sports Network says Sac State on the Playoff Bubble

Kadeezy

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In the FCS Huddle: Will the bubble burst on your team?
By Craig Haley, FCS Executive Director

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - If the bubble burst on your favorite Football Championship Subdivision team on Saturday, sorry about the mess.

Clean up is in Aisle 21, located just outside the 20-team playoff field.

Saturday's action KO'd the hopes of some teams, but others moved into the picture with one week of remaining action, so it's hardly clear at this point.

The FCS playoff field will be announced next Sunday during a 30-minute selection show on ESPNU, beginning at 10 a.m. EST.

Let's try to bring some clarity to this wild season:

10 Automatic Qualifiers

Big Sky: Montana State (8-2) or Eastern Washington (8-2). Whoever doesn't earn the conference's automatic bid expects to get an at-large bid.

Big South: Stony Brook (6-4), Liberty (7-3) or Coastal Carolina (5-5). Stony Brook is 5-0 in conference play and has a one-game lead over both Liberty, which it will visit next Saturday, and Coastal Carolina, which will host Charleston Southern. If there's a two-way tie for first place, it can only be between Stony Brook and Liberty, and that would mean Liberty won the head-to- head meeting to secure the auto bid. If there's a three-way tie, then it's expected to go to a fourth tie-breaker - points allowed in conference games - and Stony Brook has a big lead in that category.

CAA Football: Delaware (9-1) will earn the auto bid with a win over Villanova or a William & Mary loss to Richmond. William & Mary (7-3) would earn the auto bid with a win and a Delaware loss.

Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference: Bethune-Cookman (10-0) is in great shape with a 7-0 record in conference games and a one-game lead over Florida A&M (7-3) and South Carolina State (8-2). The Wildcats will get the auto bid with a win over Florida A&M at the Florida Classic in Orlando. If they lose, they would still get the bid if there's a three-way tie for the title because they own that tie-breaker (a points system for the strength of non-conference wins). If there's a two-way tie for the title for first place, that would mean South Carolina State has been upset by North Carolina A&T, and Florida A&M would hold the head-to-head tie-breaker with Bethune-Cookman.

Missouri Valley Football Conference: Northern Iowa (7-3) has clinched the auto bid.

Northeast Conference: Robert Morris (8-2) has clinched the auto bid.

Ohio Valley Conference: Jacksonville State (9-1) or Southeast Missouri State (9-2). Separated by two points this past Saturday, Jacksonville State will get the auto bid with a win at Tennessee State. SEMO will get the bid if the Gamecocks lose their final regular-season game. Either way, the second-place team expects to get an at-large bid.

Patriot League: Lehigh (8-2) has clinched the auto bid.

Southern Conference: Appalachian State (9-1) has clinched the auto bid.

Southland Conference: Stephen F. Austin (8-2) will get the auto bid with a home win over Northwestern State. McNeese State (6-4) is tied for first place, but lost to Stephen F. Austin, so it needs to win at Central Arkansas and have the Lumberjacks lose to Northwestern State.

10 At-Large Bids

If you figure Montana State or Eastern Washington from the Big Sky, and Jacksonville State or Southeast Missouri State from the OVC will get at-large bids, then that's two of the 10 at-large bids. William & Mary, despite its tumble on Saturday as No. 1 in the nation, has a strong enough resume even with a loss to Richmond, which is trying to play its way into the field. It's pretty much the same for Wofford, which is facing a Chattanooga squad that is trying to force itself into the field. We're assuming Stephen F. Austin earns an auto bid, so that puts us at 14 overall selections.

That would leave six spots for nine teams that believe they are in with a win next Saturday: Villanova (6-4), the defending national champion which has to go to soon-to-be No. 1 Delaware; Montana (7-3), which faces a difficult home game against Montana State; North Dakota State (7-3), which visits Missouri State; New Hampshire (6-4), which hosts Towson; Massachusetts (6-4), which visits Rhode Island; Western Illinois (6-4), which hosts Northern Iowa; Richmond (6-4), which visits William & Mary; Georgia Southern (6-4), which visits Furman; and Chattanooga (6-4), which visits Wofford.

It's asking a lot for all nine of those teams to win next Saturday, so losses by more than three of them could open up the picture for the following teams with flaws on their resume:

Liberty, Jacksonville (10-1), Dayton (10-1), McNeese State (6-4) and South Carolina State (8-2), whose strength of schedule are weaker than the teams who are in with a win.

Sacramento State (6-4), which has to beat UC Davis and hope that only six Division I wins is enough.
Central Arkansas (6-4), which, with a victory over McNeese State, would only have six Division I wins.

Cal Poly (7-4), which has only six Division I wins and seemingly has fallen out of the picture with a loss to UC Davis on Saturday

Jacksonville and McNeese State probably stand the best chance of this next group. But if Florida A&M wins the MEAC auto bid, would Bethune-Cookman, at 10-1, make the field? A MEAC team hasn't won a playoff game since 1999, so it might be tough for the conference to get two bids.

No team with more than four losses has received an at-large bid, so if teams like Villanova, Richmond, UMass, New Hampshire, Western Illinois, Georgia Southern and Chattanooga lose next Saturday, the decisions on final spots will be particularly tight.
 
I don’t think 6 D-I wins will be enough. Even with a win, our chances of a bid are 0%. A 6 D-1 win UM team will get a bid long before a 6 D-1 win Sac State team does.
 
i agree with you on that, SD. especially with a head-to-head win over the Hornets.

you have to hope that Montana State blasts the Griz on Saturday. if they win, they are in. if its close, they are still probably in.
 
SDHornet said:
I don’t think 6 D-I wins will be enough. Even with a win, our chances of a bid are 0%. A 6 D-1 win UM team will get a bid long before a 6 D-1 win Sac State team does.

I don't think we'll get in either, but if New Hampshire, UM, Richmond, and UMASS lose Saturday things will be very interesting and probably just "sting" that much more...
 
Based on ECB and history of getting shafted in D2 playoff selections, I'd say our chance of being selected are <5%. Teams Like Liberty, RMorris, SE MO State, etc. will get in way before we do.

Horse before the cart, gotta win in Yolo county this Saturday to have any hope.
 
Amazing. We're talking about Sac in the playoffs and the only thing folks mention is "only 6 D-1 wins." What about the quality losses?!?! We lost to 3 top ranked teams by a combined 10 points! Agree with Montana getting a bid over us. We lost to them. But frankly, there should be more teams from the Big Sky going. Our Sagarin ranking (USA Today) which is based on strength of schedule and other factors put the Hornets 8th best against all other FCS (1AA) programs. Willing to bet all of the other FCS programs ranked through the top 10 in this ranking are also ranked in the overall FCS top 20 - except Sac St.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt10.htm

To save you some time, see the list below. It’s based on the Sagarin ranking I mention and where their FCS ranking was last week. It’s disheartening!

1- Delaware (Ranked 2nd FCS), 2- Will & Mary (1st), 3- App State (5th), 4- Villanova (9th), 5 – Easter Wash (3rd), 6- New Hamp (20th), 7- Stephen F. Austin (7th), 8- The Hornets (Not Ranked!), 9- Montana St. (11th), 10- UMass (13th)

No way we should be ranked so low in FCS poll. No way we shouldn't be in the playoffs if we beat UCD this week. Just wrong!
 
I agree that all the slights on our team are not good. However, I would offer the 1% glimmer of hope here. If we are able to pile it on the FE, it would be hard to ignore our 6 wins in D1 if programs like CAA student body lose and are 6-5. Poly beat Montana and McNeese-I know it is a looooooong shot, but it ain't over til the fat lady sings!
 
Kadeezy said:
I hope we throttle UCD something like 38-3...

Nice usage of throttle. Go Hornets!!

In regards to the playoffs, I am not worried. The Hornets win column will improve next year and so will the rankings. This program is headed in the right direction.

A side note: If the foothill lionesses were not playing in Sac, there would be a lot more press coverage (e.g. 1140, sacbee, local tv news). This does not guarantee attendance gains or more collegiate support; however, having a major ufl distraction does not help. Go away Simba, I hear Stockton wants another third string team and take your micro-tron-vision with you.
 
pringe said:
Amazing. We're talking about Sac in the playoffs and the only thing folks mention is "only 6 D-1 wins." What about the quality losses?!?!....
I’d love nothing more that to see the Hornets in the playoffs, but it won’t happen this year. The close losses to quality opponents argument is no way to get into the playoffs. A full D-1 schedule will help avoid this dilemma in the future. Right now that game burned on D-II WOU is killing us. Let’s hope the admin learns from this near miss and schedules a counter for 2011.

Also as GCM pointed out, the focus needs to be on “the farm extension” this week. The Hornets should in no way be overlooking them.
 
OFFICIALLY, 6 wins gives us a chance. That's even more important this year given that the field has been expanded. Our three close losses to top teams is in our favor.

That said, for all practical purposes THIS YEAR, SD is likely right. Those who count us out strictly because of only 6 wins are wrong, but there are plenty of other reasons to consider us out, not the least of which are the plethora of teams with 7 or 8 wins. One has to assume that an 8-win team, even one from a crappy conference, would have a better shot.

It looks to me like a minimum of two things would be required for us to get an at-large bid, and even that might not be enough:

1. The Griz must LOSE the Brawl of the Wild.

2. Sac has to beat UCFE in a HUGE blowout. We might even have to win a triple-digit shutout.

I'm convinced that #1 will NOT happen. Therefore, while a bid is certainly within the realm of possibility, it is nowhere near probable. We're done after we spank the Ags.
 

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