Tie Breakers (if griz lose and we win out)

[weberwildcat]

1. Head to Head Competition

a. Consider the head-to-head record during the Conference season. In double round-robin play, a team would have to sweep the
b. In the case of more than two tied teams, consider the conference regular-season record for head-to-head competition among all of the tied teams. This process is used to break ties between any of the tied teams with any remaining tied teams returning to the process at criteria 1.a.

Example: Teams A, B, C, and D have identical records from a double round robin season. In head-to-head competition, team A emerges with a 4-2 record against the other tied teams, team B and C have a 3-3 record and team D has a 2-4 record. Teams A and D can be placed in the final standings at that point, while teams B and C return to criteria 1.a. If B and C have split their regular Conference season games, they will move to criteria 2, performance against other teams in descending order.

c. In the case of three or more teams having identical win-loss records, the normal tie-breaking procedure would be used. When one or more of these teams is eliminated by using the tie-breaking procedure, the remaining teams involved would then return to the criteria listed in a. to break the tie. This will be done until a team is established for that particular seeding position.

2. Performance Against Conference Teams
This will be determined in descending order of finish, beginning with the No. 1 team. (Example: Teams B and C remained tied after head-to-head criteria from above. Team A has been declared the Conference champion based on the above criteria. Team B has split the conference season games with team A, and team C has lost both of the conference games to team A. Team B is now placed in second place ahead of team C.)

3. RPI rating

4. Coin Toss


Note: In all tie-breaking procedures, if more than one tie exists, the tie among/between the teams lower in descending order will be broken first, to facilitate the process of breaking the tie between/among teams higher in the order. (Example: Teams A and B are tied for first and second, and teams C and D are tied for fourth and five. All tied teams have split the regular conference season with their tied opponents. Teams C and D both have a 1-3 combined record vs. teams A and B. Team C has beaten team A, and D has beaten team B. Assuming all previous tiebreakers are the same, teams C and D will have their placing decided by their RPI ranking first (Criteria 3), and the teams A and B enter the tie-breaking procedures.).




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1. 1. Head to Head Competition: we tied
2. Performance Against Conference Teams: does this matter?
3. RPI rating: Griz have higher RPI but they would have to lose for the tie breaker so RPI would be very close.
4. Coin Toss: This would suck badly for either team :thumbdown:

 

[weberwildcat]

if the season ended with weber and griz 18-2 and griz lost to suu and beat msu and suu finished 3rd and msu finished 5th could we host?

what if we both lost to msu? then then rpi i guess :question:

 

[weberwildcat]

personally i think the griz will win out

 

[n.ogdencat]

If both our second loss was to the bobs..then it would come down to RPI or coin toss.

As for the first scenario, I think it depends on whomever lost to the better team hosts. MSU can't be as bad as they were on Thursday. That is totally embarrassing how badly they got beat by ISU. I'm hoping MSU can beat the Griz in Boze, but...they are so back and forth.

 

[n.ogdencat]

personally i think the griz will win out

Yeah, most likely, but we can all hope.

 

[Waldo2]

My understanding is that the only way Weber hosts is if they win the rest of their conference games and Montana loses one game to either Montana State, Sacramento, or No Zona.

A Montana loss to SUU will not hurt UM in that SUU has a better record than Montana State (which beat Weber). Thus, Montana would win that tie-breaker.

For the next few weeks, I will be a big Bobcat, Hornet, and Lumberjack fan.

 

[weberwildcat]

My understanding is that the only way Weber hosts is if they win the rest of their conference games and Montana loses one game to either Montana State, Sacramento, or No Zona.

A Montana loss to SUU will not hurt UM in that SUU has a better record than Montana State (which beat Weber). Thus, Montana would win that tie-breaker.

For the next few weeks, I will be a big Bobcat, Hornet, and Lumberjack fan.

we need to confirm that weber winning out and griz only losing to suu does not hurt griz. that is great news...for them.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

My understanding is that the only way Weber hosts is if they win the rest of their conference games and Montana loses one game to either Montana State, Sacramento, or No Zona.

A Montana loss to SUU will not hurt UM in that SUU has a better record than Montana State (which beat Weber). Thus, Montana would win that tie-breaker.

For the next few weeks, I will be a big Bobcat, Hornet, and Lumberjack fan.

I think you've got this backwards.

For the second tie-break, the conference looks at how the teams fared against other teams in the conference, beginning at the top and working down. The first time they come across a team that one team has swept and the other lost to, the tie-break is broken in favor of the team with the sweep. Consequently, UM pretty much has to beat SUU. A loss to them would give Weber the tie-break (assuming SUU finshes ahead of MSU in the standings).

If UM loses to MSU only, RPI would be the deciding factor.

If UM beats both MSU and SUU, but loses to NAU or PSU, they'd still have the tie-break based upon their sweep of MSU.

Weber's best hope is that SUU beats the Griz.

 

[WSUProf]

My understanding is that the only way Weber hosts is if they win the rest of their conference games and Montana loses one game to either Montana State, Sacramento, or No Zona.

A Montana loss to SUU will not hurt UM in that SUU has a better record than Montana State (which beat Weber). Thus, Montana would win that tie-breaker.

For the next few weeks, I will be a big Bobcat, Hornet, and Lumberjack fan.

I think you've got this backwards.

For the second tie-break, the conference looks at how the teams fared against other teams in the conference, beginning at the top and working down. The first time they come across a team that one team has swept and the other lost to, the tie-break is broken in favor of the team with the sweep. Consequently, UM pretty much has to beat SUU. A loss to them would give Weber the tie-break (assuming SUU finshes ahead of MSU in the standings).

If UM loses to MSU only, RPI would be the deciding factor.

If UM beats both MSU and SUU, but loses to NAU or PSU, they'd still have the tie-break based upon their sweep of MSU.

Weber's best hope is that SUU beats the Griz.

2. Performance Against Conference Teams
This will be determined in descending order of finish, beginning with the No. 1 team. (Example: Teams B and C remained tied after head-to-head criteria from above. Team A has been declared the Conference champion based on the above criteria. Team B has split the conference season games with team A, and team C has lost both of the conference games to team A. Team B is now placed in second place ahead of team C.)

Everettgriz, that's how I read the above too.

 

[oldrunner]

If the Griz win out, obviously, they host.

If Weber wins out and the Griz slip up against MSU or SUU, then it gets interesting. In that senario, if the loss is to MSU, it would go to RPI. That would make the Davidson/ORU bracket buster games huge. If the Griz were to slip against SUU, and SUU finished ahead of MSU in the final standings, Weber would host.

One important thing to remember is that if both teams end up 18 - 2, both would be co-champions. Any leagues champion, who loses in the conf. tournement, is extended a bid to the NIT. That same consideration is not extended to a second place finisher. These tournements are only for the automatic conf. NCAA birth. It is not to determin the conf. champion. That has already been decided.

 

[WILDCAT]

I'm thinking that the Griz will win out, but lose to us in the BSC tournament championship game. If we are allowed to play our aggressive style of defense like we were at home, and hit our freebies, we can beat Montana in Missoula.

 

[wildkyle]

I hate to say it but Montana is most likely not going to lose.

 

[maddawg89]

i would say its 35% they loose in bozomen and a 45% chance they loose in ceader

 

[WeberSki]

RPIForecast has UM with a 25% chance of losing in Bozeman, and a 27% of losing in Cedar City, all I know is that bus ride from Bozeman to Cedar, and back to back road games in less than 48 is a blessing to Wildcat fans.

 

[heyoh22]

Think that would be like a 10 hour bus ride, I expect the Griz would fly from Bozeman to Las Vegas and take a bus up to Cedar City. That is enough of a grind in terms of travel, but better than on a bus for most of a day. However they travel, it is tough on the players.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Big Sky rules state, that a team has to bus if the game is within 6 hours of their school, hence, Weber ends up bussing to Cedar, Poky, and if MSU is the first half of a road trip to Boze. However, if MSU is second, Weber can fly to Missoula and bus to Boze, and then fly home from Boze. Greeley is on the line. Most of the time the smaller teams, basketball included, fly. The football team busses to UNCO (Catcat, bengalhater, and myself drove out to the CSU football game a few years ago, CSU is about an hour away from UNCO, we went there and back in one day. I don't suggest doing that. If there hadn't been a fumble at the end, it would have been worth it.).

I'm positive that Missoula is more than 6 hours away from Cedar. In that case the Griz will most likely be flying into either Vegas or St. George (that wouldn't be too bad of a trip from St. George, an hour at the most.). Either way, that game won't be easy for the Grizz. The Birds need to win their home games to put them in the best position to finish the season at the 3rd place team.

Most importantly, Weber needs to take care of business. NAU and SAC aren't teams the Cats will necessarily walk over. Especially since they are in the same situation as SUU. They need to win their home games to ensure a spot in the post season tournament. Weber has to take it one game at a time. That is going to be a difficult road trip. Good thing Sac is first. They are the team I am most worried about. NAU isn't a cake walk either, but I think Weber has a better chance of winning in Flagstaff on the second half of a road trip than in Sac.

 

[heyoh22]

Tal, agreed, take care of our remaining games one at a time and hope that MT gets a loss on the road. MSU will play them tough in Bozeman, and SUU will hack defensively as has been their way of play.

I sure would love to have Conference Tourney in Ogden, but things have to happen to avoid a trip to Missoula. We can only hope and pray!