Transfers

[glasshouses]

Vernon Adams gets a degree, then transfers to be on a bigger stage to play against better competition.

Tevin McDonald fails 3 drug tests and is suspended from the Holiday Bowl, he then fails another drug test and is removed from scholarship. Tevin, then uses a "loophole" to avoid suspension by dropping down a level and is able to play his next game.

I kind of find it a little bit ironic that Bill Chavis is so worried about the graduate transfer rule that VA will use but has no problem with a guy like Tevin who arrived because he couldn't do things the right way.

Then you listen to Beau Baldwin take jabs at Oregon for bringing in a transfer to improve a position, and basically says they must be doing something wrong to have to look for a transfer and that EWU doesn't do things that way. Then a couple minutes later he is talking about bringing in back to back transfers from SMU and he will do that from time to time.

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[Screamin_Eagle174]

You're right. Taking a chance on a kid who fell through the cracks is totally the same thing is actively recruiting the top talent from other teams because your school's coaches we're too incompetent to notice the talent in the first place. :dunce:

Introduction to Logic 101 at the U of O. :lol: :clap:

 

[glasshouses]

You're right. Taking a chance on a kid who fell through the cracks is totally the same thing is actively recruiting the top talent from other teams because your school's coaches we're too incompetent to notice the talent in the first place. :dunce:

Introduction to Logic 101 at the U of O. :lol: :clap:

Tevin McDonald fell through the cracks? Where the hell were you when he was being recruited by almost every Pac 12 school? Did you even read my post? The dude fell through the fail 4 drug tests and transfer to EWU crack.

Introduction to Reading 101 at EWU. :lol: :clap:

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

You're right. Taking a chance on a kid who fell through the cracks is totally the same thing is actively recruiting the top talent from other teams because your school's coaches we're too incompetent to notice the talent in the first place. :dunce:

Introduction to Logic 101 at the U of O. :lol: :clap:

Tevin McDonald fell through the cracks? Where the hell were you when he was being recruited by almost every Pac 12 school? Did you even read my post? The dude fell through the fail 4 drug tests and transfer to EWU crack.

Introduction to Reading 101 at EWU. :lol: :clap:

Did I fucking say fell through the cracks during the recruiting process? No, I clearly did not. The point, which not surprisingly went right over your head, is that Tevin didn't have a choice in leaving UCLA if he wanted to continue playing football. Vernon wasn't out on the streets just trying to continue his career. He was already a National Championship contending team with a good shot at the NFL, when U of O came knocking with bags full of money.

The two scenarios aren't even remotely close.

Thanks for proving my point though about Duck fans. :rofl: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[glasshouses]

You're right. Taking a chance on a kid who fell through the cracks is totally the same thing is actively recruiting the top talent from other teams because your school's coaches we're too incompetent to notice the talent in the first place. :dunce:

Introduction to Logic 101 at the U of O. :lol: :clap:

Tevin McDonald fell through the cracks? Where the hell were you when he was being recruited by almost every Pac 12 school? Did you even read my post? The dude fell through the fail 4 drug tests and transfer to EWU crack.

Introduction to Reading 101 at EWU. :lol: :clap:

Did I fucking say fell through the cracks during the recruiting process? No, I clearly did not. The point, which not surprisingly went right over your head, is that Tevin didn't have a choice in leaving UCLA if he wanted to continue playing football. Vernon wasn't out on the streets just trying to continue his career. He was already a National Championship contending team with a good shot at the NFL, when U of O came knocking with bags full of money.

The two scenarios aren't even remotely close.

Thanks for proving my point though about Duck fans. :rofl: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

What Oregon did may not be ethical, but it wasn't against the rules.

Bringing in Tevin after 4 failed drug tests and allowing him to completely avoid a year long suspension might not be ethical, but it wasn't against the rules. Tevin didn't have a choice because he fucked up several times. Tevin didn't even have the choice to go play for ANY FBS school for that matter.

Can we agree on this?

 

[EWURanger]

Bringing in Tevin after 4 failed drug tests and allowing him to completely avoid a year long suspension might not be ethical, but it wasn't against the rules. Tevin didn't have a choice because he fucked up several times. Tevin didn't even have the choice to go play for ANY FBS school for that matter.

Can we agree on this?

Interesting discussion. RE: Tevin McDonlald - Do you honestly believe that a kid who was, as you say, recruited by nearly every Pac 12 school wouldn't have had an opportunity to play somewhere else at the FBS level? The reason he didn't go that route was because he would have had to sit out a year, period. Please don't make it sound like there's some sort of ethical difference at the FBS level that would have precluded some coach from taking a chance on him had he decided to sit out a year. What's more, Tevin McDonald didn't fail any drug tests at EWU or break any team rules, and is graduating on time with his degree. He's done everything that was asked of him at EWU. I won't speak to what happened at UCLA, other than to say that there are guys that are worth taking a chance on, and there are guys that aren't. That's up to the coaches to decide. In the case of Tevin, the risk was worth the reward.

 

[clawman1]

Vernon Adams gets a degree, then transfers to be on a bigger stage to play against better competition.

Tevin McDonald fails 3 drug tests and is suspended from the Holiday Bowl, he then fails another drug test and is removed from scholarship. Tevin, then uses a "loophole" to avoid suspension by dropping down a level and is able to play his next game.

I kind of find it a little bit ironic that Bill Chavis is so worried about the graduate transfer rule that VA will use but has no problem with a guy like Tevin who arrived because he couldn't do things the right way.

Then you listen to Beau Baldwin take jabs at Oregon for bringing in a transfer to improve a position, and basically says they must be doing something wrong to have to look for a transfer and that EWU doesn't do things that way. Then a couple minutes later he is talking about bringing in back to back transfers from SMU and he will do that from time to time.

:thumb:

 

[LDopaPDX]

Oregon peeps trying to give ethics lessons; hilarity ensues.

Paying agents for signatures, offering financial incentives to a player, and (oh yes) signing a player who admitted to killing someone... Oregon is one classy institution.

The joke is that there is a big difference in applying the same transfers rules that every school in America uses and using a rule that, to my knowledge, has only been applied once. I suppose there are likely other places where teams actively recruited someone on an active roster to transfer, but I don't know of one.

The graduate transfer waiver was put into place so that a student-athlete could find a scholarship opportunity while starting post-graduate work in their field of choice if they had eligibility. It was never intended so that higher profile schools could poach players from smaller schools.

 

[EWU98]

Guy's Guy's Guy's . .enough already
WE (EWU NATION) can't FIX STUPID (DUCK NATION)!
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[Phalanx]

Oregon peeps trying to give ethics lessons; hilarity ensues.

Paying agents for signatures, offering financial incentives to a player, and (oh yes) signing a player who admitted to killing someone... Oregon is one classy institution.

The joke is that there is a big difference in applying the same transfers rules that every school in America uses and using a rule that, to my knowledge, has only been applied once. I suppose there are likely other places where teams actively recruited someone on an active roster to transfer, but I don't know of one.

The graduate transfer waiver was put into place so that a student-athlete could find a scholarship opportunity while starting post-graduate work in their field of choice if they had eligibility. It was never intended so that higher profile schools could poach players from smaller schools.

How on earth do you know what the intention of the waiver was? Maybe it was so that coaches who like to redshirt players wouldn't be allowed to hold a student captive longer than four years. It might have also been so that a student would not have to go to grad school at the same place he got his undergrad degree. The bottom line is that it is a rule put in place to increase a student's options after he gets his degree. It's been around for several years - one of our QB's used it back in 2010.

 

[glasshouses]

Bringing in Tevin after 4 failed drug tests and allowing him to completely avoid a year long suspension might not be ethical, but it wasn't against the rules. Tevin didn't have a choice because he fucked up several times. Tevin didn't even have the choice to go play for ANY FBS school for that matter.

Can we agree on this?

Interesting discussion. RE: Tevin McDonlald - Do you honestly believe that a kid who was, as you say, recruited by nearly every Pac 12 school wouldn't have had an opportunity to play somewhere else at the FBS level? The reason he didn't go that route was because he would have had to sit out a year, period. Please don't make it sound like there's some sort of ethical difference at the FBS level that would have precluded some coach from taking a chance on him had he decided to sit out a year. What's more, Tevin McDonald didn't fail any drug tests at EWU or break any team rules, and is graduating on time with his degree. He's done everything that was asked of him at EWU. I won't speak to what happened at UCLA, other than to say that there are guys that are worth taking a chance on, and there are guys that aren't. That's up to the coaches to decide. In the case of Tevin, the risk was worth the reward.

I'm trying to convince you the exact opposite of that. The unethical practices extend past FBS and into FCS. The rule that allowed McDonald to avoid a 1 year suspension was NOT designed to do that, just like the rule that VA used to transfer to Oregon was not designed to do what he did. Both transfer rules are being taken advantage of and if you can't recognize that, than I guess I will never understand my original post.

 

[MLEagle]

This is one of those situations that Duck fans are trying every which way to justify slimy and unethical practices by their team because it is their team. All of us have been guilty of it at some point, so I don't fault them in their initial defensive stance of their program. However, at some point they need to look beyond their allegiance to their team and face the fact that the Oregon program acted unethically in this instance and should stop trying to justify their actions to themselves and especially to EWU faithful.

 

[AmericasBird]

Yes I can just see it. EWU approached Tevin McDonald and let him know all he had to do in order to transfer from UCLA to EWU was fail some drug tests. :rofl: Sure that's believable and exactly how it happened.


Back to reality now, Oregon approached Adams illegally and let them know they were interested and if he wanted to further discuss it "legally" then he would need to request a release from the the school to allow them to move the discussions from out of the backroom under the cover of darkness.

What kind of idiots are these Oregon fools. Trying to convince others they didn't contact Adams before his release? Please. The worse part about them using a third party as intermediary for the initial contact is, it illustrates their awareness of what they were doing was flat wrong, and they didn't want to get caught doing it.

I used to be a casual fan of theirs, but the more I learn about them the more I realize that's one of the dirtiest and most crooked programs around and I've lost all respect for their fanbase, not because they are remaining silent and turning a blind eye, but because they're actually defending the dirtyness. Sad, used to be a respectable program I thought.

 

[EWURanger]

Bringing in Tevin after 4 failed drug tests and allowing him to completely avoid a year long suspension might not be ethical, but it wasn't against the rules. Tevin didn't have a choice because he fucked up several times. Tevin didn't even have the choice to go play for ANY FBS school for that matter.

Can we agree on this?

Interesting discussion. RE: Tevin McDonlald - Do you honestly believe that a kid who was, as you say, recruited by nearly every Pac 12 school wouldn't have had an opportunity to play somewhere else at the FBS level? The reason he didn't go that route was because he would have had to sit out a year, period. Please don't make it sound like there's some sort of ethical difference at the FBS level that would have precluded some coach from taking a chance on him had he decided to sit out a year. What's more, Tevin McDonald didn't fail any drug tests at EWU or break any team rules, and is graduating on time with his degree. He's done everything that was asked of him at EWU. I won't speak to what happened at UCLA, other than to say that there are guys that are worth taking a chance on, and there are guys that aren't. That's up to the coaches to decide. In the case of Tevin, the risk was worth the reward.

I'm trying to convince you the exact opposite of that. The unethical practices extend past FBS and into FCS. The rule that allowed McDonald to avoid a 1 year suspension was NOT designed to do that, just like the rule that VA used to transfer to Oregon was not designed to do what he did. Both transfer rules are being taken advantage of and if you can't recognize that, than I guess I will never understand my original post.

That's fair enough.

 

[glasshouses]

Yes I can just see it. EWU approached Tevin McDonald and let him know all he had to do in order to transfer from UCLA to EWU was fail some drug tests. :rofl: Sure that's believable and exactly how it happened.


Back to reality now, Oregon approached Adams illegally and let them know they were interested and if he wanted to further discuss it "legally" then he would need to request a release from the the school to allow them to move the discussions from out of the backroom under the cover of darkness.

What kind of idiots are these Oregon fools. Trying to convince others they didn't contact Adams before his release? Please. The worse part about them using a third party as intermediary for the initial contact is, it illustrates their awareness of what they were doing was flat wrong, and they didn't want to get caught doing it.

I used to be a casual fan of theirs, but the more I learn about them the more I realize that's one of the dirtiest and most crooked programs around and I've lost all respect for their fanbase, not because they are remaining silent and turning a blind eye, but because they're actually defending the dirtyness. Sad, used to be a respectable program I thought.

Some = 4. And it is totally legit to not face ANY suspension for failing 4 drug tests! The FCS (and in this instance EWU) was a get out of jail free card! Can I get some of those in real life?! :rofl:

 

[flyingnail]

This is soooooo ridiculous, VA was NEVER gonna get us a NC, PERIOD !!!!! Just like he wont start at Oregon.
Time to let this BS go and think about what we have. New DC, best Head Coach in the FCS Coach B, and a whole lotta talent just waiting to show itself. This is Eastern, not USC, Notre Dame, or even Oregon. Kick it off and lets kick some ass, Enough already !!!!! GO EAGS !!!

 

[AmericasBird]

Some = 4. And it is totally legit to not face ANY suspension for failing 4 drug tests! The FCS (and in this instance EWU) was a get out of jail free card! Can I get some of those in real life?! :rofl:

Please don't come on here and insult our intelligence. You know what the point was, EWU's involvement PRIOR to the time McDonald was no longer on the UCLA team was zilch, zero, nonexistent. In other words, not only did we not set the wheels in motion, we didn't even go along for the ride. We had no involvement with McDonald until his ride at UCLA ended.

The difference here is, you can't say the same about Oregon and Adams? Contacting a player of another team in an attempt to talk him into leaving said team is a no, no. Oregon set the wheels in motion. Using an intermediary to do so shows not only that you knew it was wrong, but that you didn't care, you just cared about being caught doing it.