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Weber State 2015-2016 Schedule
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Thanks for the link Purpleblue.
Out of curiosity I checked two of the top Big Sky schools (Montana & EWU) schedules to compare them to Weber's schedule. Like many here, I am disgusted to see the home schedule include multiple totally unknown programs each year. So I compared Weber's schedule to the two other top tier programs in the 'Sky.
Montana's home patsies are Carroll College, Great Falls and Montana Western. They also play two legit games at home against Boise St. & Univ. of San Francisco. Their pre-conference away games are San Jose St., North Dakota St., Pepperdine and Gonzaga.
EWU's home patsies are Geroge Fox & Great Falls. They play 4 more legit teams at home in Seattle, Pacific, South Dakota and Morehead St. On the road they play 7 teams: Pittsburgh, Mississippi St., Seattle, Univ. of San Francisco, Davidson, Western Carolina and Denver.
Weber's home patsies are Antelope Valley, Pacific Union, and Multnomah. We play only 2 legit home games, Utah State and South Dakota St. We play 7 legit pre-conference away games: South Dakota St., Central Michigan and 2 more at the tournament in Florida, BYU, Denver & Portland.
CONCLUSIONS/OBSERVATIONS:
1. Our pre-conference away schedule is as good or better than the others.
2. We play fewer pre-conference home games against legit teams than the others.
3. The patsies we play at home are the worst of the patsies group. At least the others schools patsies have been heard of before, unlike Weber's. My guess is that our three patsy games are against teams located in California and Oregon but who knows. The other two schools play patsie games more on the lines comparable to Weber playing in-state schools Dixie & Westminster.
4. We could easily schedule better pre-conference home games and still have enough patsies on the schedule to satisfy Rahe. I can't believe that Weber's program, which attracts the highest level of attendees in the conference by a wide margin, doesn't have the money to pay some Div II schools like Dixie, Westminster, the Colorado, MT or Idaho Div II schools. There are plenty of choices that we should be able to afford. I would also like to see us schedule at least one more legit game at home pre-conference.
5. If we are going to grow the program we need to schedule a few more attractive schools to play at the Dee. Doesn't Weber at least owe its fan base (biggest in the Sky) some better quality games?
Montana's home patsies are Carroll College, Great Falls and Montana Western. They also play two legit games at home against Boise St. & Univ. of San Francisco. Their pre-conference away games are San Jose St., North Dakota St., Pepperdine and Gonzaga.
EWU's home patsies are Geroge Fox & Great Falls. They play 4 more legit teams at home in Seattle, Pacific, South Dakota and Morehead St. On the road they play 7 teams: Pittsburgh, Mississippi St., Seattle, Univ. of San Francisco, Davidson, Western Carolina and Denver.
Weber's home patsies are Antelope Valley, Pacific Union, and Multnomah. We play only 2 legit home games, Utah State and South Dakota St. We play 7 legit pre-conference away games: South Dakota St., Central Michigan and 2 more at the tournament in Florida, BYU, Denver & Portland.
CONCLUSIONS/OBSERVATIONS:
1. Our pre-conference away schedule is as good or better than the others.
2. We play fewer pre-conference home games against legit teams than the others.
3. The patsies we play at home are the worst of the patsies group. At least the others schools patsies have been heard of before, unlike Weber's. My guess is that our three patsy games are against teams located in California and Oregon but who knows. The other two schools play patsie games more on the lines comparable to Weber playing in-state schools Dixie & Westminster.
4. We could easily schedule better pre-conference home games and still have enough patsies on the schedule to satisfy Rahe. I can't believe that Weber's program, which attracts the highest level of attendees in the conference by a wide margin, doesn't have the money to pay some Div II schools like Dixie, Westminster, the Colorado, MT or Idaho Div II schools. There are plenty of choices that we should be able to afford. I would also like to see us schedule at least one more legit game at home pre-conference.
5. If we are going to grow the program we need to schedule a few more attractive schools to play at the Dee. Doesn't Weber at least owe its fan base (biggest in the Sky) some better quality games?
I suspect most schools in the Big Sky have a hard time getting D-1 schools to play them at home. This Missoulian article talks about how UM struggles to get teams to come to Montana. I would think it would be a bit easier for Weber, since you guys are close to a major airport. But let's face it, why would a D-1 team play at Weber State when they can find a lot more winnable -- or lucrative games -- elsewhere?
http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/mens-basketball/griz-hoops-montana-trying-to-overcome-scheduling-issues/article_c1c80a4c-edc6-5e90-ae87-0f8989a52b5e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/mens-basketball/griz-hoops-montana-trying-to-overcome-scheduling-issues/article_c1c80a4c-edc6-5e90-ae87-0f8989a52b5e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
oldrunner
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We are always going to be playing one or two road, 'money', games per year. We need to start winning a high percentage of them and rekindle our reputation as a giant beater. If you can sustain a high enough RPI, these teams won't shy away from a home and home contract. The biggest problem is that our BSC schedule always seems to keep our RPI low, no matter what. I would really love to see the NCAA step in and help with some scheduling rules that would even the playing field a bit. Once again it is the haves trying to keep the have nots at bay. It's the American way. 
The point of my long diatribe above is that if EWU can schedule 4 legitimate home games and better patsie games why can't Weber? Our schedule is pathetic and could be a lot better. There are no adequate excuses for such patsies as Antelope and Multnomah. Look at EWU's home pre-conference schedule. It makes ours look like total "bs". :willybs: :thumbdown: :roll: 
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Agreed. Weber just keeps giving me more and more reasons to not renew my season tickets, football and basketball. And before you all call me out for not supporting the programs, I still and will still attend as many games as possible, minus these four pathetic games. I simply refuse to pay money to watch such nonsense. And I'm not in a position to pay for football games that are offered for free.baller said:The point of my long diatribe above is that if EWU can schedule 4 legitimate home games and better patsie games why can't Weber? Our schedule is pathetic and could be a lot better. There are no adequate excuses for such patsies as Antelope and Multnomah. Look at EWU's home pre-conference schedule. It makes ours look like total "bs". :willybs: :thumbdown: :roll:
baller said:The point of my long diatribe above is that if EWU can schedule 4 legitimate home games and better patsie games why can't Weber? Our schedule is pathetic and could be a lot better. There are no adequate excuses for such patsies as Antelope and Multnomah. Look at EWU's home pre-conference schedule. It makes ours look like total "bs". :willybs: :thumbdown: :roll:
I'm looking at Eastern Washington's non-conference schedule this year -- their home games are George Fox, Seattle, Great Falls and Morehead State. Not exactly great viewing.
I understand your frustration with non-conference scheduling at Weber -- nobody wants to pay to watch a bunch of NAIA and D-2 teams. But I think the problem is conference wide. I've talked with Jon Kasper of the Big Sky and he's said the league office has talked about entering into a scheduling agreement with other smaller western conferences like the Big West and the WCC, but nothing has come of it. With the demise of the Bracketbuster, I would also think a Big West-Big Sky matchup similar to what the Big Ten and ACC do every year would also be attractive.
I miss the good, old days when we'd get PAC 10 (now 12) teams and schools like Gonzaga and Wyoming to play in Pocatello. The Power 5 schools don't have to ever leave campus now for non-conference games, unless they want to play in a tournament in Hawaii or Puerto Rico, or play in a made-for-TV matchup with another Power 5 school. The Mountain West schools feel no incentive to take the risk of playing Big Sky schools on the road. I remember when ISU beat that Wyoming team with Fennis Dembo and Eric Leckner in Reed Gym back in the 1980s -- Cowboy coach Jim Brandenburg said he'd never come back to Pocatello and he didn't. (Although we did get Wyoming to come in the late 1990s).
Bottom line is the conference has very few cards to play to convince other D-1 schools to fly to remote places like Pocatello or Missoula. I would think Eastern, being close to Spokane, and Weber, near SLC airports, would have a little better shot at getting schools from the Big West or WCC to agree to a home-and-home, but neither school has an inspiring non-conference home schedule.
SWWeatherCat
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SWeberCat02 said:
Couldn't agree more. I just can't justify paying for this crap, but do struggle with the concept of staying away. I've held season tix for somewhere around 25 years and is was tough as hell to not renew football and the internal struggle with bball is brutal. I don't want to give them up but I think the straws that may have broken the back are (first and foremost) the lame @ss BSC playoff change, the garbage home schedule, and KJAZZ TV deal. Throw in a handful of freebies and other promotional discounts and I start forgetting the incentives to renew. SATOG?
Webergrad02
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SWWeatherCat said:
I feel the same way gentlemen. If you would have told me a few years ago that I would seriously be considering dropping my season bball tickets, quitting donations to the athletic department and not re-upping with the Wildcat Club, I would have told you that you were crazy. But like you two I am wondering if it is worth it.
I love that when we the paying supporters question the lack of accountability from administration and coaches we get treated like we are clueless idiots. The schedule, the conference tournament in Reno, getting called out for asking hard questions, it just makes me wonder why. And please don't get me started about SATOG!
oldrunner
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I have not seen the season ticket package yet, but I will be a lot happier if they are including the BYU game at ESA. That would go a long way toward mitigating this bad situation.
I doubt that anyone in the athletic administration ever reads this forum, but if they do, please consider my advise.
I doubt that anyone in the athletic administration ever reads this forum, but if they do, please consider my advise.
SWeberCat02
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Bengal's correct, EWU doesn't play Pacific or South Dakota at home. Those are neutral site games in Sacramento. So EWU's home schedule really isn't any better than Weber's, except that they only play 2 non-D1's instead of 4. What I do like about EWU's scheduling philosophy is that they are willing to go on the road and play higher profile teams (Indiana, SMU, Wash, and Cal last season, and Miss St, Davidson, and Pittsburgh this season). I would much rather see Weber play these types of games than 3-4 non-D1 home games every season.Bengal visitor said:baller said:The point of my long diatribe above is that if EWU can schedule 4 legitimate home games and better patsie games why can't Weber? Our schedule is pathetic and could be a lot better. There are no adequate excuses for such patsies as Antelope and Multnomah. Look at EWU's home pre-conference schedule. It makes ours look like total "bs". :willybs: :thumbdown: :roll:
I'm looking at Eastern Washington's non-conference schedule this year -- their home games are George Fox, Seattle, Great Falls and Morehead State. Not exactly great viewing.
I understand your frustration with non-conference scheduling at Weber -- nobody wants to pay to watch a bunch of NAIA and D-2 teams. But I think the problem is conference wide. I've talked with Jon Kasper of the Big Sky and he's said the league office has talked about entering into a scheduling agreement with other smaller western conferences like the Big West and the WCC, but nothing has come of it. With the demise of the Bracketbuster, I would also think a Big West-Big Sky matchup similar to what the Big Ten and ACC do every year would also be attractive.
I miss the good, old days when we'd get PAC 10 (now 12) teams and schools like Gonzaga and Wyoming to play in Pocatello. The Power 5 schools don't have to ever leave campus now for non-conference games, unless they want to play in a tournament in Hawaii or Puerto Rico, or play in a made-for-TV matchup with another Power 5 school. The Mountain West schools feel no incentive to take the risk of playing Big Sky schools on the road. I remember when ISU beat that Wyoming team with Fennis Dembo and Eric Leckner in Reed Gym back in the 1980s -- Cowboy coach Jim Brandenburg said he'd never come back to Pocatello and he didn't. (Although we did get Wyoming to come in the late 1990s).
Bottom line is the conference has very few cards to play to convince other D-1 schools to fly to remote places like Pocatello or Missoula. I would think Eastern, being close to Spokane, and Weber, near SLC airports, would have a little better shot at getting schools from the Big West or WCC to agree to a home-and-home, but neither school has an inspiring non-conference home schedule.
UM's home schedule is on par with Weber's (4 non-D1 games, Boise St and San Fran). But like EWU, they too are going to the road to face higher profile teams (Gonzaga, Wash, and Kansas).
Makes me wonder if last season's disaster at Oklahoma has Weber worried to make those trips again.
oldrunner said:I have not seen the season ticket package yet, but I will be a lot happier if they are including the BYU game at ESA. That would go a long way toward mitigating this bad situation.
I doubt that anyone in the athletic administration ever reads this forum, but if they do, please consider my advise.
They claim that they don't, but they most definitely do. Funny how things get mention on the forum, such as the WE ARE WEBER and suddenly appear in athletics. They like to cherry-pick ideas. It is fine, as long as it makes the department better and improves our programs. I like it Olds, but I doubt it happens. I know that Weber gets a $40K guarantee, but fans will probably have to pay to watch. I'm sure that will be the case for both groups of fans thought. If we aren't happy about it, just think, a BYU season ticket holder will also have to pay. There is some fairness in the world after all.
As for the schedule. I hate the home schedule sans SDSU and USU. Yes, I wish the conference would stop talking about creating a conference challenge with another conference, crap or get off the pot Doug! Get it done already. This has been talked about for the past, I swear, decade. Potential leagues, Summit, WCC, Big West, MVC (probably not in a million years), Southland, and a dream would be MW. I'm sure the WAC would love it, but do we really want them to think they are on the same level?? I don't care...they are at least DI programs. Bakersfield is a lot better than Multnomah University, and besides we might get a home and home with NMSU out of the arrangement. THat would be awesome!!
talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:I have not seen the season ticket package yet, but I will be a lot happier if they are including the BYU game at ESA. That would go a long way toward mitigating this bad situation.
I doubt that anyone in the athletic administration ever reads this forum, but if they do, please consider my advise.
They claim that they don't, but they most definitely do. Funny how things get mention on the forum, such as the WE ARE WEBER and suddenly appear in athletics. They like to cherry-pick ideas. It is fine, as long as it makes the department better and improves our programs. I like it Olds, but I doubt it happens. I know that Weber gets a $40K guarantee, but fans will probably have to pay to watch. I'm sure that will be the case for both groups of fans thought. If we aren't happy about it, just think, a BYU season ticket holder will also have to pay. There is some fairness in the world after all.
As for the schedule. I hate the home schedule sans SDSU and USU. Yes, I wish the conference would stop talking about creating a conference challenge with another conference, crap or get off the pot Doug! Get it done already. This has been talked about for the past, I swear, decade. Potential leagues, Summit, WCC, Big West, MVC (probably not in a million years), Southland, and a dream would be MW. I'm sure the WAC would love it, but do we really want them to think they are on the same level?? I don't care...they are at least DI programs. Bakersfield is a lot better than Multnomah University, and besides we might get a home and home with NMSU out of the arrangement. THat would be awesome!!
I'm told the conference has approached the Big West about a conference challenge series and has been rebuffed because the Big West coaches don't want to fly to SLC and bus three hours to Pocatello, or fly to Phoenix and bus three hours to Flagstaff. (And who wants to fly to Minneapolis and bus to Grand Forks?)
Bengal visitor said:talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:I have not seen the season ticket package yet, but I will be a lot happier if they are including the BYU game at ESA. That would go a long way toward mitigating this bad situation.
I doubt that anyone in the athletic administration ever reads this forum, but if they do, please consider my advise.
They claim that they don't, but they most definitely do. Funny how things get mention on the forum, such as the WE ARE WEBER and suddenly appear in athletics. They like to cherry-pick ideas. It is fine, as long as it makes the department better and improves our programs. I like it Olds, but I doubt it happens. I know that Weber gets a $40K guarantee, but fans will probably have to pay to watch. I'm sure that will be the case for both groups of fans thought. If we aren't happy about it, just think, a BYU season ticket holder will also have to pay. There is some fairness in the world after all.
As for the schedule. I hate the home schedule sans SDSU and USU. Yes, I wish the conference would stop talking about creating a conference challenge with another conference, crap or get off the pot Doug! Get it done already. This has been talked about for the past, I swear, decade. Potential leagues, Summit, WCC, Big West, MVC (probably not in a million years), Southland, and a dream would be MW. I'm sure the WAC would love it, but do we really want them to think they are on the same level?? I don't care...they are at least DI programs. Bakersfield is a lot better than Multnomah University, and besides we might get a home and home with NMSU out of the arrangement. THat would be awesome!!
I'm told the conference has approached the Big West about a conference challenge series and has been rebuffed because the Big West coaches don't want to fly to SLC and bus three hours to Pocatello, or fly to Phoenix and bus three hours to Flagstaff. (And who wants to fly to Minneapolis and bus to Grand Forks?)
You always do a great job of talking me off a ledge Bengal. Thank you!! :thumb:
You are absolutely right. Trying to get a bus league to travel to some rather interesting locations would be difficult. Northridge, Santa Barbara, Riverside, Long Beach, Irvine, and Fullerton are all virtually right next to each other. It is really easy to get to each. As for Poly and Davis...Big Sky Schools already travel during football season to those destinations, getting to Davis is really easy, Poly not so much, but worth it, and who wouldn't want to go to Hawaii? It would be unequal in travel, sans Hawaii, between the two conferences. That's why I feel that an agreement between the Summit League and the Big Sky would be a better option. Granted, that league only has 9 members, but that would help 9 conference teams each year. Could cherry-pick some teams from the WAC to help offset the inequality. Maybe something like each conference has to play each other in 10 games. That might be a better option than a challenge. I wouldn't mind playing New Mexico State and the other 3 Dakotas in basketball (I like the home and home with South Dakota State).
