Weber State vs Portland State

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Another game where Weber State has a higher shooting percentage but loses due to giving up more possessions due to turnovers and offensive rebounds. They never match up well vs press teams.

Just hoping they win 2 of 3 left so they don’t hit 20 losses this year.

 

[oldrunner]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

 

[BigWaldO]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

 

[oldrunner]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

 

[BigWaldO]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

 

[oldrunner]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

WOW, Wally; you seem to have a photographic memory. Jumping in the air isn't the deciding factor either. I'm sure that I'm seeing it through purple lenses, but I saw a couple of those calls the other way.
It's the hardest call in basketball and the refs get it right about 80% of the time. The refs didn't cost us that game, but it may have turned out differently with another set of refs. In a game like that a few little things can make a big difference. Going 15 down and then trying to fight back is usually not a winning formula. The comeback was impressive and frustrating at the same time. We just couldn't seem to push it over the top.

 

[BigWaldO]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

WOW, Wally; you seem to have a photographic memory. Jumping in the air isn't the deciding factor either. I'm sure that I'm seeing it through purple lenses, but I saw a couple of those calls the other way.
It's the hardest call in basketball and the refs get it right about 80% of the time. The refs didn't cost us that game, but it may have turned out differently with another set of refs. In a game like that a few little things can make a big difference. Going 15 down and then trying to fight back is usually not a winning formula. The comeback was impressive and frustrating at the same time. We just couldn't seem to push it over the top.

It’s not hard for someone who actually used to play the sport to remember details in a game. Any ref,coach, or player that actually knows the game will tell you that leaving your feet when attempting to take a charge will be called a block 99% of the time. I think if you are such a rules aficionado maybe you should be the next head coach, because your playing days in the Ogden church ball league have made you a basketball mastermind :lol:

 

[oldrunner]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

WOW, Wally; you seem to have a photographic memory. Jumping in the air isn't the deciding factor either. I'm sure that I'm seeing it through purple lenses, but I saw a couple of those calls the other way.
It's the hardest call in basketball and the refs get it right about 80% of the time. The refs didn't cost us that game, but it may have turned out differently with another set of refs. In a game like that a few little things can make a big difference. Going 15 down and then trying to fight back is usually not a winning formula. The comeback was impressive and frustrating at the same time. We just couldn't seem to push it over the top.

It’s not hard for someone who actually used to play the sport to remember details in a game. Any ref,coach, or player that actually knows the game will tell you that leaving your feet when attempting to take a charge will be called a block 99% of the time. I think if you are such a rules aficionado maybe you should be the next head coach, because your playing days in the Ogden church ball league have made you a basketball mastermind :lol:

Nope. Sat in a hot tub with a couple of the officials assigned to the tournament on Bimini a couple of years ago. For about an hour we did nothing but discuss this very topic. The game and the rules have changed since you played street ball. A player taking a charge does not have to have his feet set, can be moving, and can be jumping straight in the air. It's more a matter of who initiates the contact and how. It's still a judgement call and certainly a hard call to make sometimes. The three options are in play and they don't always get it right. Even the officials will tell you that. They are human and make mistakes. Players are not perfect, coaches are not perfect and neither are the refs. Sort of like the rest of us. Except, of course, you.

 

[MPWildcat]

Old runner. It always seems like you have to be right all the time. I do not respond a whole lot on this mainly because you seem to argue with everyone. There are times that you talk the team up and then tear them down in other times. I cannot tell if you support Randy Rahe or not. One minute you are telling us how wonderful he is and the next minute you tell us a different story. I think we would all like the same things and we all want the Cats to win all games but while you seem to criticize the refs there is one thing and that it will not change the result of the game. PSU was a team we could of and should have beat along with some other teams. We are struggling in some games and we look good in others. There are some years that we will be in the hunt and others where we are not. This year the Big Sky conference teams are weak. It will be another one and done for our conference in the big tournament even in a year when there is no national champ favorite. I think we could appreciate your comments more if people did not seem to be attacked by you and your comments. We like your team support not your attacking opinions.

 

[BigWaldO]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

WOW, Wally; you seem to have a photographic memory. Jumping in the air isn't the deciding factor either. I'm sure that I'm seeing it through purple lenses, but I saw a couple of those calls the other way.
It's the hardest call in basketball and the refs get it right about 80% of the time. The refs didn't cost us that game, but it may have turned out differently with another set of refs. In a game like that a few little things can make a big difference. Going 15 down and then trying to fight back is usually not a winning formula. The comeback was impressive and frustrating at the same time. We just couldn't seem to push it over the top.

It’s not hard for someone who actually used to play the sport to remember details in a game. Any ref,coach, or player that actually knows the game will tell you that leaving your feet when attempting to take a charge will be called a block 99% of the time. I think if you are such a rules aficionado maybe you should be the next head coach, because your playing days in the Ogden church ball league have made you a basketball mastermind :lol:

Nope. Sat in a hot tub with a couple of the officials assigned to the tournament on Bimini a couple of years ago. For about an hour we did nothing but discuss this very topic. The game and the rules have changed since you played street ball. A player taking a charge does not have to have his feet set, can be moving, and can be jumping straight in the air. It's more a matter of who initiates the contact and how. It's still a judgement call and certainly a hard call to make sometimes. The three options are in play and they don't always get it right. Even the officials will tell you that. They are human and make mistakes. Players are not perfect, coaches are not perfect and neither are the refs. Sort of like the rest of us. Except, of course, you.

Drunk refs in a hot tub in Bimini are in the right state of mind to explain rules to a random :lol: why in games when you talk to the ref about charges do they always say “he wasn’t there” or “he was there” or even “his feet weren’t set”. It’s hard for someone as old as you to probably hear from the 20th row than it is for someone who has been there and heard the actual ins of the game. It’s also okay to be wrong sometimes :thumb:

 

[oldrunner]

Three very, very, very questionable calls against Zdor toward the end of that game, if called right, would have given us the win. Those refs were either the worst we have seen this season, or the fix was on. Your choice. Even then, it's a different outcome with a few less turnovers and a few more rebounds. That was the best PSU team I've seen in quite some time. If they can continue to play that way and get those same calls, they will win the tournament.

Are you referring to the blocking fouls called on Zdor? You gotta give props to the kid for trying to help his team by attempting to take 3 charges but all three were good calls by the ref. 1. Feet weren’t set and partially jumped, 2. fell too soon and 3. was in the circle. Only thing I would say the refs missed were the blatant hacks on traps during the press and a very outrageous no call when Harding drove at the end of the game.

I had a conversation with a D1 BB official about this last year. Your feet don't have to be set and the circle is only for secondary defenders stepping in to take a charge. It means nothing if you are the primary defender. I'm also referring to the attempted shot block that was called a foul. The replay showed no contact, body or otherwise, and at least 3 feet of air between them. That was a totally made up call and it was a 2 point game at that time. That call put the game away at 4 points and seconds left.

Who is your D1 source? Laura Rahe lol? First block call Zdor was the secondary defender in the circle. Second block call Zdor was outside the circle and jumped in the air, therefore a foul. The third call he was the primary defender and flopped a little too soon, although offensive player may have extended his arm, the timing negated that. Considering that Weber had 5 less fouls then Portland state, I Don’t think you can say the refs had it out for the Cats. How many bad shots did the team take that could have made up those 2 points?

WOW, Wally; you seem to have a photographic memory. Jumping in the air isn't the deciding factor either. I'm sure that I'm seeing it through purple lenses, but I saw a couple of those calls the other way.
It's the hardest call in basketball and the refs get it right about 80% of the time. The refs didn't cost us that game, but it may have turned out differently with another set of refs. In a game like that a few little things can make a big difference. Going 15 down and then trying to fight back is usually not a winning formula. The comeback was impressive and frustrating at the same time. We just couldn't seem to push it over the top.

It’s not hard for someone who actually used to play the sport to remember details in a game. Any ref,coach, or player that actually knows the game will tell you that leaving your feet when attempting to take a charge will be called a block 99% of the time. I think if you are such a rules aficionado maybe you should be the next head coach, because your playing days in the Ogden church ball league have made you a basketball mastermind :lol:

Nope. Sat in a hot tub with a couple of the officials assigned to the tournament on Bimini a couple of years ago. For about an hour we did nothing but discuss this very topic. The game and the rules have changed since you played street ball. A player taking a charge does not have to have his feet set, can be moving, and can be jumping straight in the air. It's more a matter of who initiates the contact and how. It's still a judgement call and certainly a hard call to make sometimes. The three options are in play and they don't always get it right. Even the officials will tell you that. They are human and make mistakes. Players are not perfect, coaches are not perfect and neither are the refs. Sort of like the rest of us. Except, of course, you.

Drunk refs in a hot tub in Bimini are in the right state of mind to explain rules to a random :lol: why in games when you talk to the ref about charges do they always say “he wasn’t there” or “he was there” or even “his feet weren’t set”. It’s hard for someone as old as you to probably hear from the 20th row than it is for someone who has been there and heard the actual ins of the game. It’s also okay to be wrong sometimes :thumb:

Crap, I'm wrong more often than I'm right. And, yes I am old. :lol: :thumb: