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Week 4: Sac State vs Southern Utah

I have never seen a combination of bad decisions by a team and horrible reffing....3 personal fouls on that final drive, two that wiped out interceptions, then the zebras missed the receiver coming form out of bounds to catch the two point conversation...Don't know if I'm more mad at the refs or this poorly coached team.
 
Oh, it wasn't just that illegal touching that made that 2-pt bogus. They held Trent Eskew plain as day. They were TRYING to give this game to SUU....
 
I guess the catch was legit because it was touched 1st by the other receiver...You can come from out of bounds and catch the ball if that's the case.


I'm so so so tired of these type of losses. This ranks right up there with that Montana State game a decade ago where the game ended on a half assed Hail Mary, only to have a Hornet yank the receiver down by the facemask, allowing the game winning field goal.
 
We played too conservatively i n 2nd half, period. That being said the refs did call the game differently after the TBirds crossed the 50. They called the celebration penalty, roughing the passer, etc. However, we should have put this game away earlier and not gone so conservative in our play calling. Our field goal unit is horrible. Oh well, maybe next year.
 
Why does it seem like the Hornets purposely try to discover new and improved ways to lose games?

SUU couldn't move he ball to save their lives the entire 2nd half, but as soon as it was final drive time from their own 2 - suddenly the Hornets decided to let them go the length of the field in about a minute of game time with a myriad of brain dead plays and officiating that doesn't deserve the word 'poor' to describe it because it was far worse than that.

First, what is wrong with the Hornets players? How about winning some games and making the playoffs on a consistent basis before you start celebrating individual plays? But once you get called for some big penalties doing it, how about using that lump three feet above your ass not to make the same mistake again? Just plain ignorant. If the Hornets coaching staff would actually reprimand and bench players for acting so stupidly, perhaps their players wouldn't be so damn undisciplined.

Secondly, how the heck do you fall for a halfback toss pass from the oppositions end zone when it's obvious they are desperate to move the ball? Why on earth would you sell out on the run when they are 98-yards from the endzone, there's less than 5 minutes to play and you have an 8-point lead? You WANT them to run the ball. Play the pass and let them have 6 or 7 yards. Who cares? Unbelievable.

Thirdly, the hands to the face call that negated the first INT was a good call. I have no problem with it other than the fact that the Hornets defender was undisciplined enough to do it. He took the linemans helmet off and it was obvious. The personal foul hit on the QB that negated the 100-yard INT return, however, was an absolutely unforgivably ridiculous call by the official. Unless it is egregiously obvious, you don't make that call in that situation, especially when the QB was out of the pocket and running to the sideline. Not only that, the Hornets defender didn't hit late nor did he hit above the shoulders. That call cost the Hornets a win, despite everything else they did to lose the game.

Fourthly, the catch on the 2-pt conversion appeared to be a good and bad call at the same time. The offensive player CAN come back from being out of bounds to catch the ball as long as he isn't the first to touch the ball, which he was not. However, it appeared to me that he was still touching out of bounds when he first caught the ball, making it a bad call if that was the case. I didn't see a clear replay, so I'm not certain. Regardless, the way that drive was going with all the braindead plays and poor calls, you just knew they were going to make that 2-pt play no matter what. It really seemed inevitable.

Fifthly, I fail to understand why the BSC, or the FCS in general, doesn't have instant replay rules like everyone else does. If it's budgetary reasons, then at least have it for scoring plays or end of game situations. You can't allow games to be decided like that without verifying.

Lastly, I take issue with any team that takes a knee at the end of a tie game like the Hornets did tonight. I just don't understand the reasoning. You've got possession of the ball with over 30 seconds to go and a few timeouts in your pocket. You don't win games by curling up into a ball and playing not to lose. You have to risk trying to make plays and trust that you won't turn the ball over. Going to overtime is a risk in itself. Why not take the risk when you've got the ball and destiny in your hands? If you complete a couple passes and/or get the benefit of a defensive penalty or two, you get a shot at winning the game outright without the opposition getting another shot. Sure, if you turn the ball over, you could lose the game outright. But the same thing could happen in OT or at any other point in the game.

In the end, this was another horrible loss for Sac State and, honestly, completely avoidable. Worst part is, this wasn't some first time fluke occurrence. It's become a trend under Marshall Sperbeck. His teams have consistently proven to be undisciplined, all while lacking football smarts at the most crucial points in games. That is a direct reflection of the head coach, his staff and how they discipline and prepare their players.
 
Phantom Hornet said:
I guess the catch was legit because it was touched 1st by the other receiver...You can come from out of bounds and catch the ball if that's the case.

That still doesn't explain the failure to call the hold on Eskew (or, rather, on the guy who DID hold him).

That roughing the passer? Hogwash. The hit was clean. They were TRYING to take this game away. And we let them do it.

And those who are calling out the players and the coaching staff right now are ALSO correct. There were some crazy play calls in the fourth quarter and overtime that were real head-scratchers, to say the least, and even giving the zebras a CHANCE to take the game away is inexcusable.
 
BukeyFan pretty much said all that needs to be said. The defense has zero discipline. My favorite part was when Beale picked up the ball after an in-completion, stared right at the WR and tossed him the ball for yet another stupid penalty (red was probably 3 yards away). Who is that fvcking stupid?!? I knew there would be nothing positive for the rest of that drive.

Offense failed to deliver the game clinching blow. Points anywhere in that second half seals a win. Huge mistake by the coaches to play not to lose in that 2nd to last offensive drive. The Hornets got to the line and stood around for 30 seconds before running a play. It completely took the offense out of sync. I'm sick of seeing this team not go for the throat and deliver a clinching blow to seal a game.

No point in attempting a FG longer than 20 yards or a PAT. It won't be made.

Bottom line the season is over. The Hornets won't dig themselves out of a 1-3 hole with the tough backstretch on the schedule. The problem is I don't know where the coaches can go (besides out the door) from here. Do they completely write off the season, play the younger players and hope they develop for next season? Do they pretend there is still hope this season and keep playing the seniors who continue to not get the job done? Another should be win slips through the hands and ends in defeat.
 
The biggest problem right now in terms of discipline on defense in my mind is Odiase. Sure, the celebration penalty was ticky-tack at best, but given that the officials were more than willing to help the SUU cause with such a thing, Odiase was a freaking IDIOT to do exactly the same thing two or three plays later; he's lucky THAT wasn't called. He should have been benched. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3 of the bullcr@p we're pulling on defense would be eliminated if Odiase were benched or cut. Sure, other guys are doing it, too, but it's probably his influence that's causing it.

That still leaves the horrible play-calling to deal with AND the failure to bring in a reliable place-kicker. Any thoughts of trying out the punter or one of the quarterbacks? Or even a campus-wide try-out? I don't think I've ever seen a kicker open the season 0-4 ANYWHERE....
 
SDHornet said:
BukeyFan pretty much said all that needs to be said. The defense has zero discipline. My favorite part was when Beale picked up the ball after an in-completion, stared right at the WR and tossed him the ball for yet another stupid penalty (red was probably 3 yards away). Who is that fvcking stupid?!? I knew there would be nothing positive for the rest of that drive.

Offense failed to deliver the game clinching blow. Points anywhere in that second half seals a win. Huge mistake by the coaches to play not to lose in that 2nd to last offensive drive. The Hornets got to the line and stood around for 30 seconds before running a play. It completely took the offense out of sync. I'm sick of seeing this team not go for the throat and deliver a clinching blow to seal a game.

No point in attempting a FG longer than 20 yards or a PAT. It won't be made.

Bottom line the season is over. The Hornets won't dig themselves out of a 1-3 hole with the tough backstretch on the schedule. The problem is I don't know where the coaches can go (besides out the door) from here. Do they completely write off the season, play the younger players and hope they develop for next season? Do they pretend there is still hope this season and keep playing the seniors who continue to not get the job done? Another should be win slips through the hands and ends in defeat.

This is not the first time they have tried not to lose. This took the offense completely out of sync and allowed the defense time to regroup. I thought that after watching the first half of the game that the coaches had done a good job making adjustments from last week.... then the second half mess appeared. This is on ALL the coaches. They do not have the killer instinct needed at this level of football.

I agree that Sperbeck was a Wanless hire, but I have had several conversations with Wanless prior to the season where he stated that the team has to get over the hump of mediocrity and get to the upper portion of the conference. Maybe after seeing this season, he will decide to retire or do his job and look for fresh thinking/minds/discipline on the sidelines.
 
I'm curious as to where Wanless stands with his job. Doubtful Gonzo ever gets rid of him given the run Hornet athletics had from 2007-2011/12ish. I think the AD job is his until he retires. Any guesses as to when that might happen? He has been here 11+ years, but he isn't getting any younger. When do state employees hit their golden parachute retirement tenure/age? We are stuck with Sperbeck until his contract expires, anyone know when that is?

Wanless Bio: http://www.hornetsports.com/informa...erry?tmpl=/information/directory/bio-template

Back to the game, Hornetsports Recap: http://www.hornetsports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/20130922x41yq1

Box score indicates 5,600 people showed up; definitely felt like less.
 
I never thought of Sperbeck as a Wanless hire. Mooshagian was a Wanless hire, and a disaster. Not wanting another one, I think the ole Hornet booster establishment pushed Sperbeck onto Wanless. My two cents.
 
Very hard loss to take. On a positive note we outplayed a solid BSC team most of the way. I thought both the offense and defense had their best showing of the year so far. Safron is starting to show some spark now that he is beginning to use his legs again. He had a good night, his passing numbers could have been better if not for the 4-5 catchable balls that were dropped. The running backs also looked good. The big negative of course was the stupid unnecessarily, PF penalties that cost us the game. I question the roughing the passer penalties especially the last hands to the face but least they were in a gray area. We all know that the BSC officials are horrible, why give them another opportunity to take a game from us? Last week it was the same story, SOU would have been out of the game far sooner had it not been stupid, blatant penalties that kept drives going. The DB coach or Sperbeck need to get on top of this problem now. I am disappointed with the result but am not giving up on the season. The BSC has not even started and I don't see any really unbeatable teams the rest of the way. It all starts at Weber on Saturday a team with problems of their own. We've never won in Ogden, this is a good opportunity to see what this team is made of.
 
sactherat said:
I never thought of Sperbeck as a Wanless hire. Mooshagian was a Wanless hire, and a disaster. Not wanting another one, I think the ole Hornet booster establishment pushed Sperbeck onto Wanless. My two cents.

I believe there was a hiring board involved, including boosters, Coach Mattos etc. who might had the opportunity to suggest but the choice was up to Wanless and Gonzalez. As I remember the three finalists were;
Tom Williams a assistant coach at San Jose State, who later was hired at Yale as HC and was fired/ forced to resign for lying about his academic record. He is currently the LB coach at FIU. Jeff Tisdel a local like Sperbeck that had played QB at Nevada, good record coaching at local JCs, let go after several years as HC at Nevada. I think the downside of Tisdel was that he took a leave of absence at Sierra because of pressure. Since then he returned to Sierra and then abruptly quit coaching. Sperbeck has deep local roots, and was a successful head coach at Foothill College for 15 years. I think that Sperbeck was chosen because he had a solid history as a head coach, with many connections to the area.
 
I appreciate the optimism but SUU was a must win in a playoffs or bust season. We have never won more than 5 BSC games, so take that plus the NAIA win over SOU and an OOC win over SUU and I think 7-5 could have gotten the Hornets into the new expanded 24 team playoffs.

How things look now there is no way we beat CP or UM. PSU is looking good and that is on the road so write that one as a loss. UND is on the road so that is at best a toss up. NAU looks awful but I doubt the Hornet defense can stop Bauman. Weber, UNC, and Causeway are should/must wins; but so was SUU. If by some miracle the Hornets win 5 BSC games, I don’t think 6-6 will be enough for a playoff berth. At best the playoffs are a total long shot imo.
 
SDHornet said:
I appreciate the optimism but SUU was a must win in a playoffs or bust season. We have never won more than 5 BSC games, so take that plus the NAIA win over SOU and an OOC win over SUU and I think 7-5 could have gotten the Hornets into the new expanded 24 team playoffs.

How things look now there is no way we beat CP or UM. PSU is looking good and that is on the road so write that one as a loss. UND is on the road so that is at best a toss up. NAU looks awful but I doubt the Hornet defense can stop Bauman. Weber, UNC, and Causeway are should/must wins; but so was SUU. If by some miracle the Hornets win 5 BSC games, I don’t think 6-6 will be enough for a playoff berth. At best the playoffs are a total long shot imo.

I don't think any team should focus on the playoffs at this point of the season, a lot can happen.
Point is I don't see any team in the BSC that is a lock, EWU has the most impressive resume so far.
PSU looked tough against a struggling Cal beat two D2s and the dungpilers. That game was close until the dungpiler's thin defense wore down in the 3rd and PSU blew them out. Cal Poly is highly regarded but their only win is vs San Diego a no scholarship school that is basically D2. We should know more about Poly and PSU after this week. Montana has not lost beating App State, a D2 nobody ever heard of and a who knows how good ND. NAU struggled with the dungpilers until two late interception returns blew it open. At this point it's even hard to know for sure just how good or bad ISU and UNC are or can be. Weather you admit it or not SUU brought one of the BSC's more creditable records into Hornet Stadium. We outplayed them most of the night before our own stupid mistakes did us in. Over the last two weeks our offense is back and improving and the defense looks back on track. Despite 3 straight blowout losses Weber is always dangerous especially in Ogden where we have never won. We will have our hands full , it will really be a real gut check especially after last week. A lot will happen to all teams over the course of the season as the normal attrition, situational breaks of the game and poor officiating have a impact.
As I said no team in the BSC looks unbeatable. I'm not willing to concede any game until it's in the books.
 

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