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Why are we not retiring numbers?/ honoring coaches

weberskipc

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EWU didn't waste much time retiring Stuckey's jersey last year on Altitude against Weber. Why doesn't Weber hire away some of EWU marketing dept., they have garnered National attention with their proposed red Eagle football field. I think they get it up in Cheney!

The only reason I would accept is (IF?) we are waiting for a new High Def video Jumbotron. I would rather wait another year or two to honor Harold, Willie, Motta, Abegglan(yes), Gill, Nembard, Boyette. IF there is a chance we get a new Jumbotron soon, and it meant we could turn out the lights at the DEC, and watch highlights of careers and have a video presentation as part of the ceremony, and really make it first class. I mean how great would it be to have Harold, Gill, and Abegglan honored maybe even the same night?, and relive the magic of 1999, and watch video of the North Carolina victory.
 
weberskipc said:
EWU didn't waste much time retiring Stuckey's jersey last year on Altitude against Weber. Why doesn't Weber hire away some of EWU marketing dept., they have garnered National attention with their proposed red Eagle football field. I think they get it up in Cheney!

The only reason I would accept is (IF?) we are waiting for a new High Def video Jumbotron. I would rather wait another year or two to honor Harold, Willie, Motta, Abegglan(yes), Gill, Nembard, Boyette. IF there is a chance we get a new Jumbotron soon, and it meant we could turn out the lights at the DEC, and watch highlights of careers and have a video presentation as part of the ceremony, and really make it first class. I mean how great would it be to have Harold, Gill, and Abegglan honored maybe even the same night?, and relive the magic of '99-'00, and watch video of the North Carolina victory.



I have thought about this to, I dont understand why we dont do what other teams with smaller programs do, we should have honored alot of our players and coaches by now.
 
weberskipc said:
EWU didn't waste much time retiring Stuckey's jersey last year on Altitude against Weber. Why doesn't Weber hire away some of EWU marketing dept., they have garnered National attention with their proposed red Eagle football field. I think they get it up in Cheney!

The only reason I would accept is (IF?) we are waiting for a new High Def video Jumbotron. I would rather wait another year or two to honor Harold, Willie, Motta, Abegglan(yes), Gill, Nembard, Boyette. IF there is a chance we get a new Jumbotron soon, and it meant we could turn out the lights at the DEC, and watch highlights of careers and have a video presentation as part of the ceremony, and really make it first class. I mean how great would it be to have Harold, Gill, and Abegglan honored maybe even the same night?, and relive the magic of '99-'00, and watch video of the North Carolina victory.


I'm going to try and give you the excuse the athletic department always gives...THIS IS NOT MY OPINION IN THE SLIGHTEST. But its what I've been told. They said, "Its too hard to equally honor all the teams. If a Men's team gets honored then a womens player should be and so on." At least thats the premise of their argument. I just think its like everything else...apathy and having to do something extra. If nothing else...TWO JERSEY'S should be retired: Wille and Motta. Its an absolute insult knowing the Willie died before the university he practically put on the map, would honor him by retiring at least his jersey, if not his number.

As for the jumbotron...no worries its coming and the lighting, well...its an issue of bulbs and the type of lighting available at the Dee right now. It takes to long for the lights to come back on once they are turned off. Weber could upgrade, but there aren't funds available, at the moment, for such an upgrade. However, Weber does have spotlights. If you ever go to a P & W game you'll see them in action.

I don't understand why the music is so bad. The game is only one facet for the fans, granted the most important and the whole reason for going, but there are a lot of other elements that "set the mood" and make a game more fun and exciting. I think a number of things need to be happening on a consistent basis at home games which will make the venue a more attractive and enticing atmosphere for basketball and Weber fans.

1. Better DJing... Keep the crowd in the game during timeouts. Also have Cat growls when the teams runs onto the floor, especially after half-time (need music for the start of the second half also). ORGANIZATION between the announcer, cheerleaders/dancers, and band for this to be successful. Which shouldn't be a hard thing to do.
2. Bigger/louder Student Section. Who know the cheers and help keep the Dee a formidable venue for opposing teams. STUDENT LEADERS are the ones who need to make this happen. Until they take the initiative it wont ever grow. Gotta make it into the thing to do as a Wildcat.
3. Put the Band in a better location and play good basketball games songs. In the 90s the band was awesome. They played the rocky theme, final countdown, the blues brothers song, and a number of other songs (Tequilla) that kept the crowd going.
4. Jumbo-tron, lighting, spotlights, the things being mentioned in this thread.
5. Promotionals
6. Fun Crowd Participation games...They are doing alright with this one, but could get a couple more.
7. More Waldo: crowd surfing, doing crazy things, really getting the crowd into the games (NOISE SIGN & Flag).
8. Half-times: Definitely a marked improvement from a couple years ago.

Fans will come back if the school creates an atmospher that entices and attractive potential fans. The team will do their job now the school and administration needs to back the team by doing more.
 
"As for the jumbotron...no worries its coming"

Are there plans to install jumbotrons? I hope so because those things they have up there now are the most worthless things I've ever seen. Seriously, they should just disconnect them or at least shut them off. They do nothing worth the power it takes to run them. We already have a great facility and some nice screens to show the game and replays would be awesome. The Dee deserves an upgrade like this.
 
I have wondered this very question. WSU doesn't know how to honor the greats without missing someone or they do not know who is worthy. I think its pretty stupid though.

Also they think the Wildcat Hall of Fame is sufficient in honoring all our past basketball greats.

Personally I think retiring jerseys is necessary. We are the only school in the state that doesn't have retired numbers. Even UVU who has been DI for only 6 yrs has a retired number.

Retired numbers in the state:

UofU: 8
USU: 5
BYU: 2
SUU: 1
UVU: 1
WSU: 0

I made this list a few yrs ago and Im not recalling BYU's. 2 sounds low but I would have to look into that.


Even if we wanted to do something for the recent greats such as Harold, Eddie and Jermaine they are all still playing professionally so they won't be available until after they retire. Keep that in mind.
 
Here's a few obvious choices to retire. These would be my first numbers. You don't have to retire all of them. Just the elites:

(i made this list but do not pay attention to order but the first 2 obviously should be Willie and Motta)

Willie Sojourner 1968-71
WSU records
Career Points 1563 - #4 in WSU history
(only played 3 yrs)
Career Rebounds 1143 - #1 in WSU history *#2 Big Sky history
Career Rebounding Average 14.1 - #1 in WSU history *#1 Big Sky history
Single Season Rebounds 411 - #1 in WSU history **#2 Big Sky history
Single Season Rebounds 392 - #2 in WSU history **#3 Big Sky history
Single Season Rebounding Average 15.8 - #1 in WSU history
Single Game Points 39 - #3 in WSU history
Single Game Rebounds 25 - #1 in WSU history
(also had 3 other games with 24 which is #2 in WSU history)
3 time Big Sky Conference 1st team
1 of 4 in WSU history
1 of 16 in Big Sky history
Willie played on the 1969, 1970, & 1971 teams, record: 68-16 (39-5 in Big Sky) and won 3 Big Sky titles, and went to the NCAA tournament all 3 years and won 2 of 5 games.

The 1969 team (15-0 in Big Sky, 27-3 overall, best overall record in Big Sky history) ended the season ranked 17th in the AP Poll, and the 1971 team ended ranked 20th.

Willie was on the 1971 team, which was our first to play Utah State, the game was in Logan and Weber won.

Willie was drafted in 1971 to the NBA
WSU had three 20 win seasons with Willie.


Jermaine Boyette 2000-2003
WSU Records
Career Points 1613 #3 in WSU history
(only played 3 yrs)
Single Season Points 657 #1 in WSU history
Career Average Points per Game 19 - #5 in WSU history
Career Steals 171 - #2 in WSU history
(#1 all-time is 172)
Career Steals Average 2.15 - #2 in WSU history
Leading scorer in the Big Sky twice, 17.1 ppg in 2002 & 20.5 ppg in 2003
(only player to be leading scorer 2 years in a row in Big Sky history)
Free Throws Made 486 - #1 in WSU history
3 time Big Sky Conference 1st team
1 of 4 in WSU history
1 of 16 in Big Sky history
*Big Sky MVP (2003)
1 of 5 in WSU history
*Award started in '79


Jimmy DeGraffenried 1992-1996
WSU Records
Career Points 1624 - #2 in WSU history
Single Season Points 637 - #5 in WSU history
Single Game Free Throw PCT 100% 15-15 - #1 in WSU history *#2 (tied) in Big Sky history
Leading scorer in the Big Sky 21.2 ppg in 1996
Career Free Throw PCT 85% - #2 in WSU history
Career 3-pointers 196 - #2 in WSU history
2 time Big Sky Conference 1st Team
1 of 15 in WSU history
*Big Sky MVP (1996)
1 of 5 in WSU history
*Award started in '79

Jimmy made a game winning shot from half-court to beat USU in Logan in 1993. Weber hasn't won there since.

Jimmy played on the 1992-96 teams, record: 98-49 (52-20 in Big Sky) and won 2 Big Sky titles.
Jimmy's 1995 team beat #3 seed Michigan State in the NCAA first round.
WSU had four 20 win seasons with Jimmy.


Bruce Collins 1977-1980
WSU Records
Career Points 2019 - #1 in WSU history *#2 in Big Sky history
Career Rebounds 879 - #3 in WSU history
Single Game Points 39 - #3 in WSU history
Single Game Rebounds 24 - #2 in WSU history
Single Season Games Played 34 - #1 in WSU history
(Ben Howland & Richard Smith also played 34)
Leading scorer in the Big Sky 18.3 ppg in 1980
3 time Big Sky Conference 1st team
1 of 4 in WSU history
1 of 16 in Big Sky history

Bruce played on the 1977-80 teams, record: 90-30 (43-16 in Big Sky) and won 2 Big Sky titles.
The 1980 team ended the season ranked 17th in the AP Poll.
Bruce's '78, '79, & '80 teams all went to the NCAA tourament and went 1-3. The '79, & '80 teams were both 7 seeds.

In 1980 WSU had the highest attendance average in the history of the Big Sky and also it was the 29th highest average in the nation that year. (10,486 per game for 16 games)

WSU had three 20 win seasons with Bruce.
Bruce was drafted to the NBA in 1980



Harold "The Show" Arceneaux 1998-2000
WSU Records
Single Season Points 644 - #4 in WSU history
Career Average Points per Game 22.6 - #1 in WSU history *#5 in Big Sky history
Single Season Scoring Average 23 - #3 in WSU history
Leading scorer in the Big Sky 23 ppg in 2000
Single Game Free Throw PCT 100% 14-14 - #2 in WSU history *#3 (tied) in Big Sky history
Single Season Blocks 50 - #3 in WSU history
Single Game Points 40 - #2 in WSU history
Dunks - Single Season 48 - #2 in WSU history
2 Time Big Sky Conference 1st Team
1 of 15 in WSU history
2 Time *Big Sky MVP (1999, 2000)
1 of 5 in WSU history
Only WSU 2 Time MVP
*Award started in '79

Harold never lost to the Aggies.
Harold played on the 1999 & 2000 teams, record: 43-18 (23-9 in Big Sky) and won 1 Big Sky title.
Harold's 1999 team beat #3 seed North Carolina Tarheels in the NCAA 1st Rd, and lost in overtime to #6 seed Florida in the 2nd Rd.



Dick Motta 1963-1968 (brought WSU up to DI)
WSU's 1st coach, put WSU on the map
coached 5 years
3 Big Sky titles
3 20 win seasons
overall record: 98-29
Big Sky record: 40-15
Winning PCT: 77%
(WSU only played 25 games per year back then)
 
catcat said:
Even if we wanted to do something for the recent greats such as Harold, Eddie and Jermaine they are all still playing professionally so they won't be available until after they retire. Keep that in mind.
I have wondered this very question. WSU doesn't know how to honor the greats without missing someone or they do not know who is worthy. I think its pretty stupid though.

Also they think the Wildcat Hall of Fame is sufficient in honoring all our past basketball greats.

Personally I think retiring jerseys is necessary. We are the only school in the state that doesn't have retired numbers. Even UVU who has been DI for only 6 yrs has a retired number.

Retired numbers in the state:

UofU: 8
USU: 5
BYU: 2
SUU: 1
UVU: 1
WSU: 0

I made this list a few yrs ago and Im not recalling BYU's. 2 sounds low but I would have to look into that.


Even if we wanted to do something for the recent greats such as Harold, Eddie and Jermaine they are all still playing professionally so they won't be available until after they retire. Keep that in mind.

Stuckey made it to EWU last year for his jersey retirement, smack dab in the middle of the NBA season so I'm sure it could be done with our guys, and it really needs to be done SOON, sooner the better. We really need to link our past with the present, it is an important part of any program.
 
it is possible to it seems less likely as some of our players are playing in other countries. but it doesn't matter thats not the reason they aren't doing it. if a player ever to a number retired the first would be willie not harold or eddie.
 
talhadfoursteals said:
weberskipc said:
EWU didn't waste much time retiring Stuckey's jersey last year on Altitude against Weber. Why doesn't Weber hire away some of EWU marketing dept., they have garnered National attention with their proposed red Eagle football field. I think they get it up in Cheney!

The only reason I would accept is (IF?) we are waiting for a new High Def video Jumbotron. I would rather wait another year or two to honor Harold, Willie, Motta, Abegglan(yes), Gill, Nembard, Boyette. IF there is a chance we get a new Jumbotron soon, and it meant we could turn out the lights at the DEC, and watch highlights of careers and have a video presentation as part of the ceremony, and really make it first class. I mean how great would it be to have Harold, Gill, and Abegglan honored maybe even the same night?, and relive the magic of '99-'00, and watch video of the North Carolina victory.


I'm going to try and give you the excuse the athletic department always gives...THIS IS NOT MY OPINION IN THE SLIGHTEST. But its what I've been told. They said, "Its too hard to equally honor all the teams. If a Men's team gets honored then a womens player should be and so on." At least thats the premise of their argument. I just think its like everything else...apathy and having to do something extra. If nothing else...TWO JERSEY'S should be retired: Wille and Motta. Its an absolute insult knowing the Willie died before the university he practically put on the map, would honor him by retiring at least his jersey, if not his number.

As for the jumbotron...no worries its coming and the lighting, well...its an issue of bulbs and the type of lighting available at the Dee right now. It takes to long for the lights to come back on once they are turned off. Weber could upgrade, but there aren't funds available, at the moment, for such an upgrade. However, Weber does have spotlights. If you ever go to a P & W game you'll see them in action.

I don't understand why the music is so bad. The game is only one facet for the fans, granted the most important and the whole reason for going, but there are a lot of other elements that "set the mood" and make a game more fun and exciting. I think a number of things need to be happening on a consistent basis at home games which will make the venue a more attractive and enticing atmosphere for basketball and Weber fans.

1. Better DJing... Keep the crowd in the game during timeouts. Also have Cat growls when the teams runs onto the floor, especially after half-time (need music for the start of the second half also). ORGANIZATION between the announcer, cheerleaders/dancers, and band for this to be successful. Which shouldn't be a hard thing to do.
2. Bigger/louder Student Section. Who know the cheers and help keep the Dee a formidable venue for opposing teams. STUDENT LEADERS are the ones who need to make this happen. Until they take the initiative it wont ever grow. Gotta make it into the thing to do as a Wildcat.
3. Put the Band in a better location and play good basketball games songs. In the 90s the band was awesome. They played the rocky theme, final countdown, the blues brothers song, and a number of other songs (Tequilla) that kept the crowd going.
4. Jumbo-tron, lighting, spotlights, the things being mentioned in this thread.
5. Promotionals
6. Fun Crowd Participation games...They are doing alright with this one, but could get a couple more.
7. More Waldo: crowd surfing, doing crazy things, really getting the crowd into the games (NOISE SIGN & Flag).
8. Half-times: Definitely a marked improvement from a couple years ago.

Fans will come back if the school creates an atmospher that entices and attractive potential fans. The team will do their job now the school and administration needs to back the team by doing more.


Is Weber getting a new Jumbotron? :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
 
WILDCAT said:
talhadfoursteals said:
Well kinda... Weber is gonna get the screens retro-fitted.


By retro fitted you mean Clear and not fuzzy?


HD!! Well...I'm not sure about that, but yeah... a 100 times better than it is now. It should be as clear as the football stadiums screen.
 
Forget the hall o fame, let's fix this idiotic idea that numbers don't get retired at Weber. IT'S A BAD IDEA

Weber needs to help build excitement in it's program by retiring numbers of Weber great.

Imagine the crowd that would show up to see Harolds number retired at halftime at the Dee with an elaborate video presentation on the jtron including the No Carolina victory highlights, as his jersey is hoisted in the air..
 
I have heard many discussions in the Athletic Dept about this very subject. It comes down to a number of different issues. Their first thing was, what criteria do we set up to retire a jersey. Next, what about the other sports ie track, football, xcountry, etc. Another issue was, what if the person did not actually graduate, but just used up eligibility?

The one to actually talk to and get their view on it is the Athletic Director. :wall:
 
the reason it feels insulting in basketball is because the importance of retired numbers in american sports. i was surprised a few years back to find out all the DI schools in utah have retired numbers except wsu.

the criteria should be pretty simple. how does a team decide how to retire a number anywhere else in america? and you dont retire numbers for cross-country unless they have their own stadium.

do we need retired numbers? i dont know. do we want to honor the greats of wsu bball? yes. is the hall of fame enough?

another thread to discuss is all the trophies and awards received by wsu athletic teams. where are they and how can anyone see any of this stuff? if it is hidden in a backroom in the football stadium collecting dust and getting all scratched up and broken (oh wait, i am describing big sky titles i have seen) we should resolve that issue. :help:

ben huppi took me on a tour a few yrs back (2008), i was totally offended, i guess that means i am a diehard fan. to see all those championship trophies in a box like it was a pile of junk really made me mad. i think it was only the olympic sports and not football & bball.

ben just shook his head and rolled his eyes implying he has worked with incompetent superiors over the years so that is the only reason something like what i saw could happen. at least that was my interpretation from knowing the guy. he was laid off or fired in 2009 i believe after about 6-7 yrs working there in marketing as the assistant.

hopefully the walter payton award hasn't been lost or gone missing.

the dee is basketball arena. it shoudl only have things relevant to wsu basketball in it. there is a trophy case with the last few bball titles but that is it. anyone know where to go see the other 17 big sky titles? are they on the other side? i never walk around the dee much.
 
Weber Pirate said:
I have heard many discussions in the Athletic Dept about this very subject. It comes down to a number of different issues. Their first thing was, what criteria do we set up to retire a jersey. Next, what about the other sports ie track, football, xcountry, etc. Another issue was, what if the person did not actually graduate, but just used up eligibility?

The one to actually talk to and get their view on it is the Athletic Director. :wall:

I think this should be pointed out to the AD (who I think does a good job)...Which sports bring in MONEY/FANS and which don't? I'm sorry, I haven't been to a track meet at Weber where the football stadium was full. I enjoy them, but I hate to break it to Weber's administrators, if I had to pay, I wouldn't go. Now...as for football and basketball?? I do go and I do pay to go. Joel Atwater was and is a great ambassador for his sport and for Weber State. He was a hell of an athlete, but unfortunately, most fans have no idea who Joel is or what he did. But every Weber State fan knows who Willie, Bruce, Harold and Jermaine are. The crap about the olympic sports is just that crap and another way to not do something that should be done.

Finally, I agree with Catcat. Where are all of our trophies? Jamie Martin should have a case somewhere on campus promoting his accomplishments. The Payton is the most important trophy, other than an NC, in FCS football, yet no one knows about it at Weber because we hide it. I want to see our trophies and be proud of our Wildcat achievements. Every other school in America gets this. Why not Weber?
 
Weber Pirate said:
I have heard many discussions in the Athletic Dept about this very subject. It comes down to a number of different issues. Their first thing was, what criteria do we set up to retire a jersey. Next, what about the other sports ie track, football, xcountry, etc. Another issue was, what if the person did not actually graduate, but just used up eligibility?

The one to actually talk to and get their view on it is the Athletic Director. :wall:


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It isn't like we are asking for a hundred jersey's to be retired. I don't even think that numbers should be retired, but I do think we should hang some jersey's. Motta, Willie, Collins and Phil deserve to be honored. It is because of their success that Weber has the Dee, one of the premier basketball venues in the U.S.; especially when it is full.
 

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