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What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by Sir Velo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:08 pm

-haven't been to ogden in 8 yrs
-haven't hosted weber in 9 yrs

i believe weber/utah played each other every yr from 1973-2011.

why? they are 40 miles apart

are they playing any other state teams besides byu?

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by Sir Velo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:14 pm

the last game between utah and weber had the below headline on the front cover of the standard's sports page. photobucket isn't working so i didnt upload the pic.

Head: "In-state massacre"
subhead: 'Cats beat Utes by 29, setting series record.
by: Roy Burton

The pic shows dame dunking on a ute player.

score: WSU 80, Utah 51

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by ProvoAggie » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:15 pm

They stopped playing USU about the same after the 2010 season as well. USU and Utah played in the Beehive Classic last year but it appears that's the only way the 2 teams play. Utah learned that they have too much to lose when they play USU and Weber and stopped the games. They are now willing to do them as long as they are only every 3 years and on a neutral floor 2 miles from their own arena.

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by UtahPirate » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:29 pm

You can blame this on the false statistic called RPI. It is used to determine way too much when it comes to the NCAA tournament. Weighted in favor of the power conferences to start the year, the PAC has determined that it will do anything to preserve this false ranking by playing a heavily loaded schedule of home games in the preseason and rarely taking to the road for games. Utah is particularly guilty of this and withdrew from playing the Aggies and Weber demanding a 2 for 1 if they deemed that was OK for us little peons. After all they were now in the almighty PAC (despite a drubbing from us and a very competitive series with USU).

Here's the result. Fans get to see all these great small school upsets when the Big Dance starts (like Buffalo over Arizona with a 13 beats 4 seed last year) because an RPI ranking really tells you little. But RPI has also ruined the West where the crappy PAC has completely killed basketball by being so pathetic. :ohno:

Several years ago they got 7 teams in the tournament and promptly went 1-8. Last year it was only 3 teams and 0-3 (and 1-8 in bowl games). The problem is that because of RPI (and because the PAC, who hoards those high RPI rankings in their conference and won't play anyone) other Western teams can't break through for invites. The West gets 1 for the Sky; 1 for the Big West; the WCC usually gets 2 (but not always); and the MWC usually gets 2. Count it up. That's the whole Western U.S. with Utah and the Conference of Cowards dragging everyone down. But hey, Utah can be crap, and still have that great RPI, and still get into the NCAA tourney, and still pay their piece of @*#% coach $2.8 million because he makes the tourney fairly regularly. With this as reality, would you play the Weebs and Aggies home and away?

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by ProvoAggie » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm

UtahPirate wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:29 pm
You can blame this on the false statistic called RPI. It is used to determine way too much when it comes to the NCAA tournament. Weighted in favor of the power conferences to start the year, the PAC has determined that it will do anything to preserve this false ranking by playing a heavily loaded schedule of home games in the preseason and rarely taking to the road for games.
Fortunately the RPI is no more as of this year. The new NET ranking is driving some of the power teams crazy because it rewards teams for road and neutral victories far more than home wins. This has allowed some mid-majors to be ranked much higher than they would have been with the old system.

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by WSUfan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:36 pm

After we beat BYU last week, I peeked over to Boogerboard, and their fans are delusional. They think they have nothing to gain by playing WSU, but much more to lose by losing. I think they forget that they belong in the WCC. WSU is better than all the teams in that weak conference save Gonzaga, and maybe St. Mary's.

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by UtahPirate » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:16 pm

ProvoAggie wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm
UtahPirate wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:29 pm
You can blame this on the false statistic called RPI. It is used to determine way too much when it comes to the NCAA tournament. Weighted in favor of the power conferences to start the year, the PAC has determined that it will do anything to preserve this false ranking by playing a heavily loaded schedule of home games in the preseason and rarely taking to the road for games.
Fortunately the RPI is no more as of this year. The new NET ranking is driving some of the power teams crazy because it rewards teams for road and neutral victories far more than home wins. This has allowed some mid-majors to be ranked much higher than they would have been with the old system.
I did not know that. It will be interesting to see how it changes things. Thanks for bringing me up-to-date (and destroying my nice rant, :-D ). While I kind of get the P-5 thing in football, (well P4.5) I think in basketball it is meaningless. But Ute fans hang on to it like it means everything. There are a lot of great mid-major programs out there in basketball and some really good conferences. I would love to see things get evened out a little. Maybe a good Big Sky team with the right type of season will no longer be an automatic 15 or 16 seed like in the past.

In the meantime, the Weebs better rediscover their shot before Saturday.

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Here's a little more on this new system:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-me ... ll-ranking

I would expect some wild swings as the system adjusts throughout the early season. The Aggies loss in Provo cost them 30 positions as they fell from #15. But those swings also make it much more interesting.

#45 USU
#93 Montana
#126 Y
#136 U
#169 SUU
#170 Weber
#191 UVU

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketbal ... t-rankings

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Re: What is Utah's malfunction?

Post by Sir Velo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:14 am

utes in-state games since joining the pac:

2011-12: 2 BYU & Weber (0-2)
2013: 1 BYU (0-1)
2014: 1 BYU (1-0)
2015: 1 BYU (1-0)
2016: 2 BYU, SUU (2-0)
2017: 1 UVU (1-0)
2018: 2 BYU, USU (1-1)
2019: 1 BYU (0-1)

looks like in the last 8 years they have played WSU, USU, SUU & UVU once each. in the same time period they have played the bengals 4 times. :lol:

Utes: 11 games, 6-5 overall, 0-1 vs weber, 1-0 vs suu/uvu/usu, 3-4 vs byu

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