Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by DeeScott » Sat May 11, 2019 7:39 am

I've always felt that reality will sift guys out, but I haven't really ever felt bad for guys because they are pursuing a sport they love and getting school paid to do it. Some guys get sifted out by their own ability level, some get sorted out by coaches valuing something different than what they bring, some by other situations. I hope Dallas and Johnson are doing well in school because even if basketball doesn't work out, getting a college degree without any debt is a really valuable thing in today's world! Dallas will do great at Seattle and Johnson will get his chance somewhere else.

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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by oldrunner » Sat May 11, 2019 1:29 pm

I would say that Dallas has already been successful as a player and as a student. He has earned his degree while contributing 4 years to WSU basketball and is now taking his victory lap. What could be better? I feel that Spencer will get exactly what he wants out of his abilities as a player and a student. So far, it has been a rocky road for him, one semester on a grant and one as a walk on. Pope didn't value him enough to bring him in at BYU, Madsen didn't value him enough to offer him anything at UVU, and now SLCC is hiring a new coach who will need to decide if he fits in there. He is a good kid and I wish him success in his career as a player and student. I have a feeling that he will land on his feet.
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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by DeeScott » Sun May 12, 2019 7:33 am

oldrunner wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 1:29 pm
I would say that Dallas has already been successful as a player and as a student. He has earned his degree while contributing 4 years to WSU basketball and is now taking his victory lap. What could be better? I feel that Spencer will get exactly what he wants out of his abilities as a player and a student. So far, it has been a rocky road for him, one semester on a grant and one as a walk on. Pope didn't value him enough to bring him in at BYU, Madsen didn't value him enough to offer him anything at UVU, and now SLCC is hiring a new coach who will need to decide if he fits in there. He is a good kid and I wish him success in his career as a player and student. I have a feeling that he will land on his feet.
I'm a little perplexed as to some of your reasoning here Olds. How do you know that Pope didn't value Johnson enough to take him to BYU? Plenty of UVU players stayed at UVU when Pope left, I assume because they either a) didn't want to transfer again; or b) wanted to stay in the hopes that one of the assistants would be hired, which obviously didn't happen. Was Johnson offered to go with Pope and chose to stay? And how do you know that Madsen didn't value him enough to give him a scholly? I haven't seen any kid have to deal with as much garbage from coaches as Johnson, but he is a legit major D1 player and will get his chance to show it wherever he chooses to play next.

On another note, I heard recently that Randy threw a couple of his seniors under the bus after the season was over--in meetings with the returning players, tried to blame Brekkot and Zach for the team's failure to achieve much this year. I did notice some very poor chemistry throughout the season, but I didn't feel it was Brekkot or Zach. Brekkot was a little up and down, but Zach was pretty consistent. If this is true, can't build a very strong culture when you are bad-mouthing your main guys once they leave. Looks to me like we have nowhere else to look but at the head coach for the poor achievement and culture. Maybe that's why Bovee left: could see the train wreck happening and couldn't see a way to fix it without a lot of money or bad pub.

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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by oldrunner » Sun May 12, 2019 10:59 am

DeeScott wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 7:33 am
oldrunner wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 1:29 pm
I would say that Dallas has already been successful as a player and as a student. He has earned his degree while contributing 4 years to WSU basketball and is now taking his victory lap. What could be better? I feel that Spencer will get exactly what he wants out of his abilities as a player and a student. So far, it has been a rocky road for him, one semester on a grant and one as a walk on. Pope didn't value him enough to bring him in at BYU, Madsen didn't value him enough to offer him anything at UVU, and now SLCC is hiring a new coach who will need to decide if he fits in there. He is a good kid and I wish him success in his career as a player and student. I have a feeling that he will land on his feet.
I'm a little perplexed as to some of your reasoning here Olds. How do you know that Pope didn't value Johnson enough to take him to BYU? Plenty of UVU players stayed at UVU when Pope left, I assume because they either a) didn't want to transfer again; or b) wanted to stay in the hopes that one of the assistants would be hired, which obviously didn't happen. Was Johnson offered to go with Pope and chose to stay? And how do you know that Madsen didn't value him enough to give him a scholly? I haven't seen any kid have to deal with as much garbage from coaches as Johnson, but he is a legit major D1 player and will get his chance to show it wherever he chooses to play next.

On another note, I heard recently that Randy threw a couple of his seniors under the bus after the season was over--in meetings with the returning players, tried to blame Brekkot and Zach for the team's failure to achieve much this year. I did notice some very poor chemistry throughout the season, but I didn't feel it was Brekkot or Zach. Brekkot was a little up and down, but Zach was pretty consistent. If this is true, can't build a very strong culture when you are bad-mouthing your main guys once they leave. Looks to me like we have nowhere else to look but at the head coach for the poor achievement and culture. Maybe that's why Bovee left: could see the train wreck happening and couldn't see a way to fix it without a lot of money or bad pub.
WOW! Just wow, Dee. Don't get your tinfoil hat all bent up here. I was just trying to keep everything positive and state the facts. I don't know all of the motives of the people involved. I just know what happened. I wish your boy all the best.
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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by DeeScott » Sun May 12, 2019 11:44 am

Johnson is not my boy, but his family is good friends of ours. I speak with many of the AAU coaches in Utah and elsewhere, so I am aware of the goings on at different universities. True that Johnson has had to deal with some adversity, but he's not the first guy to go through it and will learn some good life lessons regardless of how his basketball career turns out.

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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by oldrunner » Wed May 15, 2019 8:30 pm

Spencer announced today that he has chosen to continue his basketball career at SLCC. No mention as to if it is as a walk on or on grant, but I am assuming that he was offered by their new coach. I don't know who that coach is at this point, but I hope Spencer does well there and can then move on to a great D1 career. Like Dee has said, sometimes life teaches some hard lessons. Hopefully, we all learn and grow from them.
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Re: Notable Transfers in the Conference (In and Out)

Post by oldrunner » Tue May 21, 2019 9:46 am

Doc Nelson has landed at Texas Rio Grand Velley. Looks like a good D1 spot for him. He is a great young man and I hope he has a good career there. :thumb: :thumb:
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