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2012 - 13 roster

oldrunner

Active member
In looking at our roster, I think that it is more than likely that at least two of our guys might redshirt. I don't see any senarios where four players redshirt, but three is within the realm of possibilities. Much is riding on the relative fitness of a couple of key players. If we have any preseason injuries, we could be forced into having just one or even no redshirts.

In a perfect world, I would redshirt three and play ten guys. However, we haven't had a perfect world in the past few years. We may end up playing some guys who are not quite ready to step into a D1 game just yet. Our top 7 or 8 payers look solid. After that, we have unproven tallent. I hope that there are some surprises on this list, but I haven't been surprised yet.

This will be one year where redshirt decisions may go past the start of the season. We are all aware of who has already used their redshirt and the players who are out of the question. I see 4 players who may be potential redshirts. What is not clear to me, is who, out of that group, will be forced into the rotation and who might be held out. My feeling is that the more we can aford to hold out, the better. :coffee:
 
I know that they really won't get a lot of time, if any, but Brady Borklund, Jordan Rex, and I assume, since I have seen him wandering around Ogden this summer, Logan Foster are all going to be on the roster. I would guess that Brady would red-shirt, and that Rex and Foster will be available for the Cats. I think last season scared Rahe a bit, we were running out of bigs, so, he has brought in some insurance by getting Rex.

As for those guys on the current roster (scholarshiped players) who will red-shirt, I'm assuming that Kyndahl Hill and Wayne Bradford would both wear redshirts this fall. Not because they aren't ready, but because by red-shirting they will have more time in the future, and also, a year to learn the system and develop is never a bad thing. Royce Williams will most likely, back up Berry, and Bolomboy, will be playing this fall.
 
Tal;

I really don't see us getting much out of Rex, Borklund, or Foster. We have 2 more guards than we can use with any efficiency. We have a couple of bigs, if you include Hill, who will get limited PT.

The only one I haven't seen play is Duce. Royce is a roll player and will play. Hill could play, but would get limited PT. Bolomboy could play, and would get a bit more time than Hill, but still limited. I don't think Duce is going to beat out Jordan or Scotty unless there is an injury. Hill will be a much better player than Royce, but Royce is the more pollished player now. Bolomboy is interesting. He has the potential to beat out some vets for playing time. Will it happen, I don't know.

With what little I know, right now, I would plan on playing 9 guys and RS 4. Duce, Wayne, Kyndahl, and Joel, would be the most likely. Do I think that will happen, he!! no. However, I would not RS just one guy unless that is the only choice I had. :coffee:
 
oldrunner said:
Tal;

I really don't see us getting much out of Rex, Borklund, or Foster. We have 2 more guards than we can use with any efficiency. We have a couple of bigs, if you include Hill, who will get limited PT.

The only one I haven't seen play is Duce. Royce is a roll player and will play. Hill could play, but would get limited PT. Bolomboy could play, and would get a bit more time than Hill, but still limited. I don't think Duce is going to beat out Jordan or Scotty unless there is an injury. Hill will be a much better player than Royce, but Royce is the more pollished player now. Bolomboy is interesting. He has the potential to beat out some vets for playing time. Will it happen, I don't know.

With what little I know, right now, I would plan on playing 9 guys and RS 4. Duce, Wayne, Kyndahl, and Joel, would be the most likely. Do I think that will happen, he!! no. However, I would not RS just one guy unless that is the only choice I had. :coffee:

Even though I think he is an incredible addition to the team and will end up being an amazing player for the Cats, I really don't think we will see Hill dressing this year. I have a feeling he is going to be RS. In reality, he is learning a new position (SF) than the one he primarily played in high school and is at a different, quicker more competitive, level now. Would he be alright if he played this year? Definitely. Thats not the point, the point is to maximize his playing time while he is at Weber and to put him in a position that will help him succeed. Wayne Bradford is the other scholarship guy who will RS. He was a lucky find and to get him as a soph was a pretty crafty move by Rahe. He is going to end up being a solid player for the Cats. But like Hill, by RS, it gives him a year to develop and adjust to DI basketball. Also, as a PG, it will give him a year to learn Rahe's system. Could he play this year and help the Cats? Yes, definitely, but is he ready, no.

As for the other two...I've only seen Joel play once and you could tell he wasn't comfortable, that will come with time and practice. He has enormous upside, talent, and will only get better. He is a bit thin, and even though I agree with you, that he probably should be RS, in all likelihood it won't happen. Without him, the Cats will only have four bigs available. I think that Coach likes to have 5. To me, since Rex is available, and that Tresnak, Hajek, Fulton, and Mook will take up the majority of available mins, it might be best to save Joel, but coach has consistently said that Bolomboy will be playing this fall. Duce...I'm pretty sure he has used his RS and has to play. Besides, we all know who will be playing the majority of PG mins this year Wheels and Rich. Duce, however, is a CG. Yes, he can come in and play the PG for the Cats, but he will, most likely, back up Scotty. If Bradford RS, that would only leave 3 guards available (Berry is a wing and can play the 1, 2, and 3, but is our starting SF and Royce will back him up, if Rahe wants to go big, I'm thinking Fulton could possibly play the 3 and have Royce play the 2...that could be a stretch though) in Wheels, Scotty, and J-Rich. The Cats need more depth and availability in the backcourt, only one of the incoming two guards can RS and since Bradford is a PG, is a soph, and needs to RS the most, he is the most likely choice to RS. Duce could be a future starter, next year of course, after Scotty graduates. I don't know much about Duce. I never got a chance to watch him practice or play, but I've heard fairly positive things about him and his game and I look forward to seeing him at the Dee this fall. Yes, Foster is availabe, but like you said, I really don't see him getting any mins. He does work hard though.

Of course Borklund is the final RS and I wouldn't doubt another local kid sitting on the bench with a RS this fall. This is a great chance for Borklund. He has the opportunity to earn a scholie in the future. He needs to really give it his all this year if he wants to come back from his mission as a scholarshiped player. Rahe sees potential in him, that is why he is getting a chance. Look at Van Pelt, he came in and did what was asked of him and earned a scholie. Not an easy thing to do, especially since the NCAA reduced Mens BBALL scholies from 15 to 13.
 
Here are your 4 bigs who will get most of the PT:

Kyle
James
Byron
Mook

Here are the 5 guards/wings:

Jordan
Gelaun
Scotty
Royce
Davian

After that, the PT will be scarce at best. An injury could change all of that. :coffee:
 
oldrunner said:
Here are your 4 bigs who will get most of the PT:

Kyle
James
Byron
Mook

Here are the 5 guards/wings:

Jordan
Gelaun
Scotty
Royce
Davian

After that, the PT will be scarce at best. An injury could change all of that. :coffee:

True, but coach always has a Big and another guard on the bench who don't get a lot of PT ready to go. Also, if you are treating the 3 as a guard spot, then you need to have 6 players one to back up each spot. Duce isn't going to RS. He will be playing. So will Joel.
 
Randy may play 10 or 11 in the early season. However, by league, He narrows it down to a 9 man rotation, 5 guards/wings, and 4 bigs. He sees 2s and 3s as interchangeable, and likewise 4s and 5s. If you are the 6th guard or the 5th big, you don't see a lot of time on the floor. Better to redshirt, if you can.
 
oldrunner said:
Randy may play 10 or 11 in the early season. However, by league, He narrows it down to a 9 man rotation, 5 guards/wings, and 4 bigs. He sees 2s and 3s as interchangeable, and likewise 4s and 5s. If you are the 6th guard or the 5th big, you don't see a lot of time on the floor. Better to redshirt, if you can.


I hear what you are saying, and in large part totally agree with you Olds, but the fact of the matter still remains, that there are some players who are brought in, who will only ever be a role player. Also, with Rahe, and for that matter all DI programs, there is always turnover at the end of a season. I wouldn't doubt if one or two of our newbs aren't with us at this time next year. Of course, I hope I'm wrong and that they are all still with the team; especially HILL and BOLOMBOY (I don't like seeing the Cats lose good freshmen), but thats part of the modern system. For some reason, whatever it may be, a player doesn't fit in with the team and leaves or is "counseled" out. Rahe has to do what is best for the team and the program. He has to have a deep bench available and ready to play. If Bolomboy plays this year, if Mook is healthy and stays healthy (for his sake I hope so, he deserves it), I don't see where and how Bolomboy is going to get a lot of mins. Of course, the best way to keep Mook healthy for the entire season is to limit his time on the floor, say 25 max, but that means Fulton will be getting all the other unused mins.

Someone else mentioned this earlier, and I'm going to reiterate it here, that the last two seasons have been devestating injury wise, and I think this has affected coach's philosophy. He is trying to bring in better walkons who, if needed, can play right away. I really think that is why Jordan Rex is at Weber. He isn't a bad walkon to have either. In reality, he could play at a number of lower DI schools and be quite successful. If he would have gotten the same amount of mins as the duder, from SLCC who went to the Y, he would have had far better numbers. With him being available, I really feel it might be best to save Joel and RS him this year along with Hill. These are two Fresh Weber doesn't get very often. Might as well do everything in your power to maximize their playing time, give them the necessary time to help them adjust to the college game, and finally to develop more, so that they can be totally successful. No matter though, both could play this fall and help the team.

I still think the only players we see RS this Fall are Bradford and Hill.

Depth Chart (two deep):
PG: Wheels/J-Rich
SG: Bamforth/Duce
SF: Berry/Williams
PF: Mook/Fulton
C: Tresnak/Hajek

Next year we will have the kid from Rexburg back from his mission and he is going to play the 4 (Fuller: he doesn't have a RS available. He RS at Utah.) and I'm guessing the coaching staff are looking for another wing.

2013-2014 Depth Chart
PG: Wheels
SG: J-Rich (he will be a SR after all. He deserves to start)
SF: Berry
PF:Fulton
C: Tresnak

Whoever the staff signs at wing this fall will, in all likelihood, RS in 2013-2014
 
I'm with you 100% here, Tal.

The biggest single question is what production they see coming from Joel, in comparison to Mook and Byron.

One nice thing about Joel is that he is a little more interchangeable with the centers than Mook or Byron. Mook on the other hand is more interchangable with the 3s. I know that a lot of people feel that Byron could play the 3 spot. However, he simply can't gaurd the more athletic 3s that we play against. Joel may, eventually be able to do some of that. If Hill can come in and beat out Royce for PT, that could also be a game changer.

Personally, I think Randy will try to bring in a PG and a big this fall. I don't think they are convinced that Bradford can run the point, at least on a full time basis. The PG would be JRs future replacement. The big would be KTs future replacement. If they don't get the big they want, they probably will go to a more athletic forward of some sort. :coffee:
 
oldrunner said:
I'm with you 100% here, Tal.

The biggest single question is what production they see coming from Joel, in comparison to Mook and Byron.

One nice thing about Joel is that he is a little more interchangeable with the centers than Mook or Byron. Mook on the other hand is more interchangable with the 3s. I know that a lot of people feel that Byron could play the 3 spot. However, he simply can't gaurd the more athletic 3s that we play against. Joel may, eventually be able to do some of that. If Hill can come in and beat out Royce for PT, that could also be a game changer.

Personally, I think Randy will try to bring in a PG and a big this fall. I don't think they are convinced that Bradford can run the point, at least on a full time basis. The PG would be JRs future replacement. The big would be KTs future replacement. If they don't get the big they want, they probably will go to a more athletic forward of some sort. :coffee:


So could we see Bradford playing the 2 or will he be counseled out? I think Royce is safe for a year. I could see him getting beat out by Hill next year, but that would be alright for Royce because he can also play the 2. He needs to get faster. Hill is an athlete. He could play the 4 too if really needed.

You are right about Mook and Fulton. I like Fulton on offense playing the 3 but not on defense, while it is reversed for Mook. Mook doesn't have an outside shot, but he is quick and can guard 3's.

In the 14 class they are looking for a PG or are they looking in the 13 class? But yeah, the coaches are looking for a big in this class. Don't forget about Fuller on a mission.
 
Bradford is a tweener, much like Bamforth. He can play the point, but is more suited for the wing. Zaid may be more of a point guard. Bradford is a keeper. His shooting ability is comparable to Bamforth, and his athletic ability is better. He just needs to mature, physically.

I think they will bring in a point guard, if they find the right one, in this years class. That way, they can bring him along more slowly, let him redshirt a year, and then hit the ground running.

When I say they bring in a big, I'm talking 6'7'' and up. I know that they are looking at some guys in that range who are athletic enough to play on the wing. If they get who they want, and with Hill and Bolomboy, that would give us an extremely athletic team in the future. :twocents:
 

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