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2016 Big Sky Football Attendance

Yes 'Wildcat' I find that playing an instate DII team is more exciting, whether it be football or basketball. You find it hard to understand, not surprising, you seem fixated on your stance that no matter who the Wildcats play, we should all be excited to just be at the game for our Wildcats. Well Bravo for you, you're a great fan, you go enjoy every game. You were the one saying that except for the Montanas, BSC attendance is horrible. That's what I am reacting to. I did not complain about attendance, I'm trying to throw some reality on the subject. I don't think attendance at WSU is horrible, but I also know that if you are saying there should be sell outs at games then realize the reality of what it will take for Ogden fans. Saying that any FCS team doesn't gather up much interest (for "non-dedicated fans") also doesn't ring true with me.

I will also state one more thing about the local interest topic, Coach Hill's emphasis on recruiting Utah kids will pay off big dividends towards getting more fans in the seats at Stewart Stadium. Family & friends of those players show up. When we play SUU in Ogden, no better example than to see the full section of their fans that showed up last time. Scheduling Montana Western type games will not get us there! :ohno:

PS. Seems to me that this whole thread and other threads on bad marketing, etc. is like "preaching to the choir" here on this forum; we are ALL great fans...many season ticket holders & Wildcat Club members, etc.!
 
AlumniWSU said:
Yes 'Wildcat' I find that playing an instate DII team is more exciting, whether it be football or basketball. You find it hard to understand, not surprising, you seem fixated on your stance that no matter who the Wildcats play, we should all be excited to just be at the game for our Wildcats. Well Bravo for you, you're a great fan, you go enjoy every game. You were the one saying that except for the Montanas, BSC attendance is horrible. That's what I am reacting to. I did not complain about attendance, I'm trying to throw some reality on the subject. I don't think attendance at WSU is horrible, but I also know that if you are saying there should be sell outs at games then realize the reality of what it will take for Ogden fans. Saying that any FCS team doesn't gather up much interest (for "non-dedicated fans") also doesn't ring true with me.

I will also state one more thing about the local interest topic, Coach Hill's emphasis on recruiting Utah kids will pay off big dividends towards getting more fans in the seats at Stewart Stadium. Family & friends of those players show up. When we play SUU in Ogden, no better example than to see the full section of fans that showed up last time. Scheduling Montana Western types will not get us there! :ohno:
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Whatever floats your boat bro.

Again I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't do. If you don't want to go to the game don't

You're right I am fixated on the stance that it shouldn't matter who Weber plays to get fans into Stewart Stadium. That's how these things are built.

Building a Fanbase has to start somewhere and choosing not to go to a game based on an opponent is in my opinion not a good way to start one
 
As fans, we can see the attraction of playing a local DII school, as apposed to an out of state DII. Coaches, on the other hand, don't see it the same way. There are two or three little things that tend to bother them about it. By playing them, it is a lot like admitting they are on your same level. I've heard that one but find it the least important consideration. These smaller programs make it a big game, throw everything at you, and can make you look bad. This is the Krisco theory. The DII coaches and players are people you know and beating up on them seems harsh. You see these coaches all the time when out evaluating players and you try to keep the friendships going. You don't have quite the same relationship with out of state foes.

It's safe to say that we don't like to see DII teams on our schedules. It's also safe to say that it will happen. How we react to it is an individual thing.
 
Yeah I'd rather have an FCS at home but we haven't played a non-D1 since 2008 and won't play one in '18 or '19, so to me it's no big deal. It's not like it's happening every year. Fan support, and the money that comes with it, isn't good enough yet to drop the FBS game or to have more than one non-league home game. At least we aren't playing two FBS games a season anymore. I really have no gripes with the football schedules. I see the potential to be better but until more fans show support this is as good as it's getting.
 
WILDCAT said:
AlumniWSU said:
Yes 'Wildcat' I find that playing an instate DII team is more exciting, whether it be football or basketball. You find it hard to understand, not surprising, you seem fixated on your stance that no matter who the Wildcats play, we should all be excited to just be at the game for our Wildcats. Well Bravo for you, you're a great fan, you go enjoy every game. You were the one saying that except for the Montanas, BSC attendance is horrible. That's what I am reacting to. I did not complain about attendance, I'm trying to throw some reality on the subject. I don't think attendance at WSU is horrible, but I also know that if you are saying there should be sell outs at games then realize the reality of what it will take for Ogden fans. Saying that any FCS team doesn't gather up much interest (for "non-dedicated fans") also doesn't ring true with me.

I will also state one more thing about the local interest topic, Coach Hill's emphasis on recruiting Utah kids will pay off big dividends towards getting more fans in the seats at Stewart Stadium. Family & friends of those players show up. When we play SUU in Ogden, no better example than to see the full section of fans that showed up last time. Scheduling Montana Western types will not get us there! :ohno:
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Whatever floats your boat bro.

Again I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't do. If you don't want to go to the game don't

You're right I am fixated on the stance that it shouldn't matter who Weber plays to get fans into Stewart Stadium. That's how these things are built.

Building a Fanbase has to start somewhere and choosing not to go to a game based on an opponent is in my opinion not a good way to start one
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Just one more reply then I'll shut up on this one. :lol:
I think you felt I'm dismissing your standing, 'Wildcat'...didn't intend to...just wanted to point out a few reality(s) as to fan attendance that I've learned over the years being a Wildcat fan.
Thanks for your efforts in providing the numbers info, I always like that & know it takes some time.
As for me, I am in attendance to many of the games aforementioned & I look forward to attending the first home game this fall vs Montana Western. Why? Because I'm anxious to see the new version Wildcats! Would I be more excited if it were vs. a Dixie State? You bet, because there's some Utah high school players on that team that family & friends in the local area are interested in.

I get it as to why it's OK playing a DII once in awhile, also why coaches shy away from playing instate (don't agree with it, but that is a fan's view)! I really do not have a serious problem with the football schedule. I'll be there, but what I'm talking about (example); my bro's, friends, general family members have & will scoff at going to such a game, FB/BB, but they will go to most any BSC game. I've tried to get them to over the years & failed. That's why I have dropped buying season tickets.

It just helps for anyone to consider some input with what might be some contrary points of view & not dismiss it as a non-dedicated fan or totally wrong opinion. Also it would help if some energy of posting on this & like subjects be sent to the 'Signpost' or 'Standard-Examiner' where it might get read by those outside this forum,...it might just count for better results? :twocents:
 
Lots of anger over the Montana Western game, which is really funny. So, the vast majority of members of this forum should understand why we are getting Montana Western next year. First, and most importantly, its going to be sometime before we could return a home game with another FCS (2021), and we DON'T have the funds to buy a guarantee against a low major FCS like Mississippi Valley State. Only remaining option for Weber if we want a home game?? Get whoever is cheapest and closest to come: MONTANA WESTERN fits the bill.

Yes, I agree that Dixie State would have been a far better option. But if they already have a game then there isn't much we can do to get them. By the time we were forced to get a DII, there really weren't a lot of options left. We do need to give kudos to Bovee on this one. He did his damnedest to get a home FCS. It just wasn't in the cards. There was no way he wasn't going to have less than 5 home games either. So, our options...

1. Play a road game (FBS for $$$ or FCS and not get a return for 4 years).
2. Get a DII. YES...like others have said. Getting Dixie would have been somewhat of a windfall for Weber, but they already had a game.

In 2008, if anyone remembers, we played 2 DII's (Dixie and Montana Western) and still made the playoffs. We beat Montana Western 62-6 in front of 5182 (first game of the season) and two weeks later beat Dixie State 44-7 in front of 8201. I'm guessing that We made more money off of the Dixie game because of locals wanting to watch Dixie due to a number of factors: alumni, family playing for Dixie, or instate game. I also believe that was the last year Weber had 6 home games on the schedule.

NOW...the issue with attendance. Let's be honest. The problem isn't necessarily the home schedule or the teams we are playing. It is the fact that there is absolutely no marketing going on. There really isn't anything happening on campus and we all know there is nothing in the community. Social Media presence has improved, but that is crap marketing. Putting a picture on instagram isn't marketing. It is a medium that can be used, but there are sooo many other things that can be happening.

1. Weber desperately needs a student group. It needs to be organized, well advised, and have scholar shipped positions.
2. There needs to be more of a presence on campus. 5 football games means you just need to have a campus presence for 5 weeks. Small signs lacking information isn't getting it done.
3. You need more from your student leaders (WSUSA, SAA, SAAC) and the team itself. Not to mention more collaboration with clubs and organizations on campus.
4. Music and food...on campus and before the games. Inflatables and closing a parking lot for tailgating when no one really knows how to get into said parking if they are tailgating, because nobody ever told anyone what was happening.
5. COMMUNICATION!! Telling fans about changes and making it available. Compliance is a member, why not have him tell us of changes? I'm sure he doesn't even know. That is how badly athletic marketing communicates.
6. BIGGER signage, on campus prep rallys, telling the students in the dorms, having promotions for only students.
7. For the community you have months and hundreds of events where you can talk to members of our community. I loved how football players a few years back went to the parades and handed our schedule cards. Brilliant!!! MORE is needed...why not be at the local rodeos, fairs, events, markets doing the same things. This is low impact, cheap marketing. You can also ramp up the direct marketing.
 
Born2BleedPurpleGuy said:
How the heck do you get EIGHT HOME GAMES?
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Eastern had 5 regular season home games, but since they went into the playoffs at I think the #2 seed they had home field all the way till the championship.

They beat Central Arkansas and Richmond and lost to Youngstown State in the playoffs all at home.


So 8 home games.
 
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